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Bert H

IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
edited August 2008 in Ask the Experts
The Cody Museum link of http://www.bbhc.org/firearms/records/ you posted in this thread:

http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=231184 has apparently been changed.

This one seems to work OK so you might want to change it in the thread:

http://www.bbhc.org/explore/firearms/firearms-records/

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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert,

    Is there any way to date (approximate) a model 37 Winchester shotgun? I know that they do not have serial numbers, but what about "red letters" or just "Winchester" on the bottom of the receiver.

    Mine has nothing on the receiver, would that mean an earlier gun?
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My dad is passing down an 1881, model 1873, Winchester, 38-40 to me. It is a family heirloom. I was told that it has never been fired, but am unsure. It appears to be that way and is in 98% condition. and has all the paper work from my great grand father. What is the rough value, without seeing it. I will try to get you a picture asap. I was going to give it to the Cody museum if my son doesn't want it. That is a long way off though. I would like to get an expert evaluation on it. If you cannot do it, whom should I take it to for an evaluation. I was referred to you by everyone in the GD forum.Oakie
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You seem to be a Winchester man, I am curious as to what my 1894 30-30 Made in 1958 would be worth with a 98% origanal condition? Is'nt pre-64 worth more for some reason? Thanks
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i purchased two new winchester model 70 coyotes one in 223wssm and one in 270 wsm they are in safe with tags and all still attached i am thinking of not shooting them, think thats a good idea...or will they not be collectors in my life time....looking for your opinion.
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Do you have a supply of winchester parts or have a source.. Friend of mine in England needs a couple small parts which Numrich nor any of my other sources has???
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Check this out. It is a little out out your interest area, I believe,but could this claim be true? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=63623205
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good morning Bert,
    Back to the engraved Henry Rifle from yesterday, what would pulling off the buttstock tell you?
    Thanks,
    Ed
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Now that you have had time to look it over, what is your take on the book that you purchased titled,
    "Winchester Shotguns" by Dennis Alder and forwarded by R.L. Wilson?
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am going to look at a 1892 in 32-20 tommorow is there anything I should look for. I seen it a few months ago at a distance and it looked real nice. I work with the guy and he had taken it to Vances a local gun shop to have it appraised and they said it was worth 1500.00. So I seen the guy today and asked him if he thought about having it letterd and he said that he was probably going to sell it, no use for it (his father in-law left it to him) he offered to sell it to me for 1000.00. I know very little about winchesters but I thought it was a very good deal. All I know right know is caliber octagon barrel, crescent butt plate. Should have pictures tommorow any help would be greatly appeciated. Thanks
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Question for you.

    How much do you think the box adds to this auction?

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=316615152

    I have been watching these guns on GB for 9 years now, this is only the second box I have seen. The gun itself imo is not in that great of shape. I have seen better for a 1934 model.



    Edit:

    This thing is going above and beyond what I thought it would do. The last boxed gun, another 1934 model 68, was in much better shape and ended just above $800.
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thank you, I think we all have learned a lot from your posts.
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Are you done with your research and when are you going to post the corrected info?

    PJ
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi,Bert H I'd like to know any information you would have on Auction
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132003444

    If you have any information, Please send me a e-mail.
    Thank You Very Much.ATF
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert, in a previous thread about the Winchester threaded barrel, would you mind telling what the give away is to it being non factory?
    Is a real one marked in some manner?
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes, and other than the sights not being original to that gun and the inletted silver dollar, it does look perfectly original to me.

    The flame grain butt stock is classic Winchester deluxe 3X walnut, and it is still beautiful despite 125+ years of existance. Some will bemoan the alteration of the stock (the inletted Morgan silver dollar), but I thinks it adds character to that old rifle.

    Both the front and rear sights are original Winchester sights, but they are not original to that rifle. The German silver Sporting sight with the set screw was not introduced until 1901. As for the rear sight, Winchester never installed a sight that covered the caliber stamp. Also, the letter indicates a low-profile sight, which usually indicates a flat-top sporting sight.

    The great thing about that old rifle, is that it has not ever been refinished.

    What I find truly interesting, is that it is indeed a Second Model, but it is in the Third Model serial number range. Second Models are typically in the 30,000 - 90,000 serial number range... this one is almost 10,000 serials higher than expected.
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    IdahoboundIdahobound Member Posts: 20,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It sure is a good looking gun
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    GuvamintCheeseGuvamintCheese Member Posts: 38,932
    edited November -1
    God I love good wood, and thats about as good as it gets.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    God I love good wood, and thats about as good as it gets.


    Yeah, me too... and I will bet that rifle was truly gorgeous when it was much newer. The flame grain crotch walnut is exceptional on the butt stock!
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    RobinRobin Member Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Great gun, nothing that a good re-blue job and a little wood repair and refinishin wouldn't take of[xx(] Don't you know this gun brought a smile to the original owner face when he first laid eyes on it! no doubt makes the new owner smile also.

    I like the silver dollar modification. I saw an old Ithaca Flues SxS once that had a silver dime expertly installed on the underside of the butt stock.
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