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Buyer and seller dispute

KencussionKencussion Member Posts: 2
edited December 2023 in General Discussion

I recently sold a couple of antique shotguns on GB. The buyer made an offer and I agreed to the sale price of 300.00 and to provide free shipping that cost me 76.00. The buyer paid within minutes and I shipped the next day. I used my usual FFL that I had used for years, they package and ship within 24 hrs. I received many positive comments on the packaging and quick shipping. It was shipped across country which took a few days. The day it was delivered the buyer contacted me that he had picked up his order and there was damage to the guns and a handguard missing and they were just put in a box to rattle around with no packing material. And he and his FFL had pictures. He wants me to refund the full price of the guns as well as pay for his FFL and Shipping back to me. Why didn't he just refuse shipment? I guess my question would be why if he and his FFL knew the guns were damaged and missing parts would he pay the FFL fee then take possession of the items by filling out the federal firearm form. My FFL wants his to file a claim with UPS for the damage and loss. I have about 25 rambling text from him demanding his money now. He has started to threaten me with bad reviews, report me to the ATF and get an attorney to sue me. Do you think I am being scammed? Could he had taken the rare handguard and now wants his money back? Why won't he wait for a claim to go through? Do you think this is some type of scam? I have assured him he will get his money once a claim has been paid or if not we will just both have to take a loss. Any Ideas or suggestions to remedy this problem?

Comments

  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,159 ******

    Boy that sounds like a charlie foxtrot. It does sound scam-ish, since he took possession of the gun. I can't imagine why he would do that, if he looked over the gun first. Surely the receiving FFL pointed it all out to him when he got it in.

    I don't think you will get far with a UPS claim but it's probably where I would start.

    Did your shipping FFL document how they packaged the gun for shipment, and condition when it was received and how it left?

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  • mac10mac10 Member Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭✭

    been there with buyers ,i have been shipping guns in 6" kraft tubes and well packed no more crap whiners after that if i can stand on it the shipper cant break it😲

  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 16,472 ✭✭✭✭

    Did you take pictures of the packing job done on the guns prior to shipment? That'd sure throw some cold water on him if you had.

  • KencussionKencussion Member Posts: 2

    Hey Mr. Perfect thanks for your input. No record of the condition of the guns from shipper. Just always had good luck and trusted their shipping style. Lots of positive comments from buyers.

    Mac10 I like the way you think. If I continue with GB sales I will bubble wrap and put in a hard plastic case and take pictures from now on

  • dunbarboyzdunbarboyz Member Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭✭

    Have him send pictures of the damage.

  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 16,683 ✭✭✭✭

    Been there a few times over 20 years and I know I was scammed a couple times. The FFL and “buyer” had to be in on those but agree, pics and a hard case with item in it.

    They are some thieves on here but 98% more or less good to deal.

  • Gregor62Gregor62 Member Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭✭

    I would contact the receiving FFL if possible. You may get a different story.

  • Gunnut358Gunnut358 Member Posts: 310 ✭✭✭✭

    So he received them, looked them over, still signed for them, and wants his money back? Judging by his threats, etc, my only response would be "you signed for them, you own them, so call me when you're ready to apologize for acting like a child that grew up never learning the word NO."

  • BrookwoodBrookwood Member, Moderator Posts: 13,188 ******

    Good thoughts above but it is best to put in a complaint with GB Auction side as here in the forums about all we can offer is our sympathy.

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