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Son wants to join the Army
rstbkt69
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A proud dad wanting to brag on his son and at the same time I'd like a couple of questions answered. My son and his friend decided they want to join the army and then go Airborne. I know how the buddy thing works. If everything falls into place they may go to boot camp and maybe the other schools together. No big deal to me even though it may be for him. But can the recruiter garantee Airborne school this early. Isn't that something that is only avilable to top performers of the infantry school after boot. Secondly the buddy has to get 15 college units to make up for the fact that he is going to an alternative learning center and my son decided that he would go get 15 college units also. Will this 15 hours give my son any advantage over going in without them. Thanks for your help
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After he has been promised a slot how easy it it to goof up and then have it taken away before he finishes AIT
It won't be taken from him as long as he completes Basic and AIT. If it's in his contract and he makes it that far, he'll get a shot at jump school.
After he has been promised a slot how easy it it to goof up and then have it taken away before he finishes AIT
Everything must be in writing. If it is not he will not get it. Do not take a hand shake and smile. All must be in writing.
now does this contract come from the recruiter or MEPS
recruiter Meps just does the physical. At least if I remember right but that was like 13 years ago on my deal.
Period.
Although times have changed, a lot, and I may be incorrect.
I have been told that PT school today is tougher than Parachute School used to be.
Doug
* changed meaning
Now is this additional to his MOS. or does his MOS have to be a Core to Airborne. Say he wanted to work on Helo's. can he still be airborns after or befor his school for helo maintenance. I'm being general on thes skills on purpose, or does he have to be geared for combat and airborne is additional to his warrior skills
His MOS will need to be something that can be used in conjunction with being Airborne qualified...or he can always put in for Jump School after getting to permanent party...but that's a gamble.
if he wants to relax in comfort, join the airforce
if he wants to be in the deepest doo doo, join the Marine Corps
if he wants a middle ground then the army is prob the way to go.
what turned me off from joining the army is their 12 month and up deployments. the Marine Corps only does 7 months deployments.
yes it is possible to deploy longer depending on your unit but overall you shouldnt expect to be deployed as long as the army.
12 month deployments are excellent destroyers of marriages.
before settling on the army, talk to a few other recruiters.
if he wants to relax in comfort, join the airforce
if he wants to be in the deepest doo doo, join the Marine Corps
if he wants a middle ground then the army is prob the way to go.
what turned me off from joining the army is their 12 month and up deployments. the Marine Corps only does 7 months deployments.
yes it is possible to deploy longer depending on your unit but overall you shouldnt expect to be deployed as long as the army.
12 month deployments are excellent destroyers of marriages.
So are 7 month deployments when you add in 6 months on float, lots of field time, then PCSing and deploying all over again.
.......As to JASONC14's post the ARMY is hardly the middle of the road.... Basic was 8 weeks,,, AIT( advanced Infantry for me) another 6 weeks...Airborne school 3 weeks Just as much IF NOT MORE than your training.....you get my point..... didn't see any Marines jumping with me into Pananma in 1989....they called the ARMY 82nd Airborne and Rangers...... as well as Desert Storm....82nd had the first boots on the ground. wheels up in 18 hours or less. We are all a family of soldiers so keep your " jarheads rule" poop to yourself.
2nd that to what ECC said..
True but..just be sure to get everything in writing signed by an officer.
Yes...the recruiter can get him an Airborne slot...and if they go in at the same time with the same MOS, it is possible that they will go through basic, AIT, and Jump School together...and then on to permanent party as well. The Airborne slot is what might make it all happen for them.
When I was a recruiter, I was able to get some recruits w/ high ASVAB scores and Hight GT scores an E-2 position BEFORE basic. Also, at that time, if a new recruit was able to get a buddy to sign up he also got an E-2 promotion.
In the preceeding note you had mentioned bringing recruits in as E-2 at times.
What other times or situations might someone start with an enhanced rank, other than like with folks that have completed ROTC?
What rank might they come in as?
("Not knocking anyone, or service branch, or training or MOSs.)
I'm sure that you're aware of the fact that within the Army there is quite a range of "opportunities" to be with the fast and furious ... to be mighty deep in the doo doo as well, right?
It would seem that there is a lot to be said for any and all of the Special Operations groups, their: training, education, duties, assignments and functions. Force Recon, Ranger, SEALS, Delta, SF, etc. I'm aware that there no doubt much more happening than what I am aware ... but seems that each offers more than the norm.
As a generalization, sevice to service, from what I have seen and heard ... I'd not disagree with your comments though. (MHO)
With just my dumb luck ... not with the buddy-up arrangement or anything, I was in training and schools for a year or more with several guys.
Just a matter of the fact that we were similar enough the we qualified for, and signed up for similar paths. The rest was a matter of the luck of the draw.
I knew of some that signed-up as buddies and went all through everything together and eventual assignment as well. Others signed up together and unforeseen events seperated them: injuries, washing out of training or schools and such.
Knew personally of two guys that went all the way through to include assignments thru VN and reassignment afterwards back Stateside.
I'm trying to convince him that if this is what he wants to go now.
Thanks everyone. The guy he wants to enlist with has to complete 15 hrs of school before they will take him. He graduated from an alternative learning center and didn't meet up with specs of some sort.
I'm trying to convince him that if this is what he wants to go now.
Civy chimming in, LOL [:D]
I don't want to put anybody down or anything, but what do you mean by "alternative learning center." Are you sure that this kid can keep up with your son anyway?
Hello cccooper,
In the preceeding note you had mentioned bringing recruits in as E-2 at times.
What other times or situations might someone start with an enhanced rank, other than like with folks that have completed ROTC?
What rank might they come in as?
If you had 60 hrs of college courses you would go in as an E-2. 90 hrs or more was E-3. College Grad would get a shot at OCS AFTER completing basic and AIT IF ASVAB scores were high enough.
quote:Originally posted by rstbkt69
Thanks hooligan1seven. Playing football and being a defensive guard since he was seven has put him in a position where he doesn't meet the physical standards for the Army. Hes a big kid.235 and 5'10' Not huge but bigger than most kids out of highschool. Even though he has had PT almost every day of his life since seven, he needed to lose 35 pounds to be considered. We hunt in the mountains of Southern California and he humps most of our gear all over the mountains without breaking a sweat and tells me he will leave my stuff up on the top of a ridge and he will meet me later on his way down. He was always told he needed to bulk up to keep a starting position so he did what the coaches said and not what his father advised him to do, which was eat healthy and not worry what the coaches told him and football isn't everything. So right now he's taking a few college classes and wishing he could lose the weight. I passed the info on to him and he asked me to thank you for the honest things you wrote.
if he wants to be in the deepest doo doo, join the Marine Corps
if he wants a middle ground then the army is prob the way to go.
Are you freakin kidding me?!? You ever hear of the korangal valley or the arghandab...
If that man's son wants to be a Paratrooper, he will go to some no s**t hostile places.
The 82nd Airborne...is middle of the road?....hmmm yeah ok.. come to any Parachute Infantry Regiment here at bragg and tell us that.
Oh fyi ive had the pleasure of working with some Airforce JTACS, some of thee most hardest working group of guys i ever met.
My money says you are a new boot cherry... and if you keep talking, might find yourself in some "deep doo doo".
Stay in your lane cherry
if he wants to be in the deepest doo doo, join the Marine Corps
if he wants a middle ground then the army is prob the way to go.
Are you freakin kidding me?!? You ever hear of the korangal valley or the arghandab...
If that man's son wants to be a Paratrooper, he will go to some no s**t hostile places.
The 82nd Airborne...is middle of the road?....hmmm yeah ok.. come to any Parachute Infantry Regiment here at bragg and tell us that.
Oh fyi ive had the pleasure of working with some Airforce JTACS, some of thee most hardest working group of guys i ever met.
My money says you are a new boot cherry... and if you keep talking, might find yourself in some "deep doo doo".
Stay in your lane cherry
quote:Originally posted by jasonc14
if he wants to be in the deepest doo doo, join the Marine Corps
if he wants a middle ground then the army is prob the way to go.
Are you freakin kidding me?!? You ever hear of the korangal valley or the arghandab...
If that man's son wants to be a Paratrooper, he will go to some no s**t hostile places.
The 82nd Airborne...is middle of the road?....hmmm yeah ok.. come to any Parachute Infantry Regiment here at bragg and tell us that.
Oh fyi ive had the pleasure of working with some Airforce JTACS, some of thee most hardest working group of guys i ever met.
My money says you are a new boot cherry... and if you keep talking, might find yourself in some "deep doo doo".
Stay in your lane cherry
+1 [:D]
quote:Originally posted by jasonc14
if he wants to be in the deepest doo doo, join the Marine Corps
if he wants a middle ground then the army is prob the way to go.
Are you freakin kidding me?!? You ever hear of the korangal valley or the arghandab...
If that man's son wants to be a Paratrooper, he will go to some no s**t hostile places.
The 82nd Airborne...is middle of the road?....hmmm yeah ok.. come to any Parachute Infantry Regiment here at bragg and tell us that.
Oh fyi ive had the pleasure of working with some Airforce JTACS, some of thee most hardest working group of guys i ever met.
My money says you are a new boot cherry... and if you keep talking, might find yourself in some "deep doo doo".
Stay in your lane cherry
Sir,
I hope your son has fulfilled his ambition of serving his country.
Now to get on the "Old Guy Soapbox:"
You two tossing back and forth the Marine/Paratrooper stuff sound like two drunk PFCs; obviously, at least one of you, by referencing the Panama campaign, is a bit older. You should both know better.
Each service has a unique mission. While you are justified in being proud of your own service, I hope you both get to a point in your life when you meet another veteran and say, "Thank you for your service." I am 53 years old, a retired Marine, and I always try to say that to others. When I hear others make negative comments about mine or someone else's service, I just shake my head and walk away, because I am dealing with an immature person with whom there is no value to arguing with. And, by the way, I graduated from Army Airborne School, Navy dive school and a few others. I qoute from the Marine NCO Handbook, "The tough don't have to brag about it."
PS: Everybody is a bad dude on the internet...
Semper Fi,
Wayne Dillon
SgtMajor USMC (Ret)
I left recruiting in 2005. After three years followed by a year of involuntary extension, I had enough. It was the hours, not the folks. Okay, I lied.
Anyways. MEPS used to provide the contract. Things were changing as I was leaving though. They were shifting to a point-of-sale type of system where the recruiter could guarantee the contract in writing right there in the office. I don't know if it made it through the pilot program or if it reverted back to the old system. That's why I NEVER promised anything in the recruiting office. I never tried to convince someone they wanted one MOS or another.
I used to take the line scores generated by the ASVAB (assuming their physical went well)and run them through a computer program that another recruiter developed. That spit out all the MOS's they were qualified for simply based on their test scores. Assuming they didn't have any law violations in their background and they had normal color vision and all the rest, I told them to pick 3 MOS's and I would do all the work of getting them to MEPS and through the enlistment process. If none of those 3 MOS's showed up on the system, I wouldn't have any hard feelings if they decided not to enlist. On the other hand, they gave me their word they would enlist if one of those three showed up on the system as having available training slots. It was a test of their commitment so nobody would be wasting anybody's time. As they said in Glengarry Glenn Ross (SP?), some people just like to talk to salesmen. I was looking for people who weren't in it just to shop around and waste taxpayer money.
quote:Originally posted by jasonc14
if he wants to be in the deepest doo doo, join the Marine Corps
if he wants a middle ground then the army is prob the way to go.
Are you freakin kidding me?!? You ever hear of the korangal valley or the arghandab...
If that man's son wants to be a Paratrooper, he will go to some no s**t hostile places.
The 82nd Airborne...is middle of the road?....hmmm yeah ok.. come to any Parachute Infantry Regiment here at bragg and tell us that.
Oh fyi ive had the pleasure of working with some Airforce JTACS, some of thee most hardest working group of guys i ever met.
My money says you are a new boot cherry... and if you keep talking, might find yourself in some "deep doo doo".
Stay in your lane cherry
Korangal Valley huh? Funny, I don't remember seeing any 82nd guys up there. [V]
Also tell him to think about what he wants. If he wants hardcore USMC all the way although there is some hardcore in the army just not as much. If he wants a good technical job Air Force or Navy. personally if I had to do it again I would have done AF. Also tell him to think about his job that he wants, if the army might not be something that he wants to do forever he might want to do something like Supply,communication etc. To be frank I saw a lot of guys get out that were Infantry after four years and they really dont have a transferable job skill. You still get GI bill and stuff and some go to college. 15 college credits wont do anything. He can probably pull off E-2 by talking to recruiter. You need a degree to go in as a SPC or E-4 and I think E-3 you need like 50-60 credits. So dont do it.
quote:Originally posted by 11B2P
quote:Originally posted by jasonc14
if he wants to be in the deepest doo doo, join the Marine Corps
if he wants a middle ground then the army is prob the way to go.
Are you freakin kidding me?!? You ever hear of the korangal valley or the arghandab...
If that man's son wants to be a Paratrooper, he will go to some no s**t hostile places.
The 82nd Airborne...is middle of the road?....hmmm yeah ok.. come to any Parachute Infantry Regiment here at bragg and tell us that.
Oh fyi ive had the pleasure of working with some Airforce JTACS, some of thee most hardest working group of guys i ever met.
My money says you are a new boot cherry... and if you keep talking, might find yourself in some "deep doo doo".
Stay in your lane cherry
Korangal Valley huh? Funny, I don't remember seeing any 82nd guys up there. [V]
Your all weak 10th MTN light Infantry baby. No j/k 82nd deploys a ton not as much as 1BCT 10th MTN which is the most deployed BDE in the Army. I think the BDE has 5 deployments since 01. Anyways whatever you were it sucked over there in whatever job you did some worse than others. Wat people dont think is somebody like a cook who doesnt have a hardcore job probably has one of the worst jobs in the army or a mechanic who has to sit outside and fix trucks 12hrs a day
What years were you with "10th MTN?" Got a few friends over there.
Oh, and you "think?" [V]
Yeah, 10th MTN did have some good tours. Just can't see the 10th calling any other unit weak.... All I hear from people I knew that went there after their tour in Italy/Germany said it's ridiculous.
Plus, we ripped you out. You ripped us out.
An unimpressive bunch, to say the least.
Haha. [:D]
Yeah, 10th MTN did have some good tours. Just can't see the 10th calling any other unit weak.... All I hear from people I knew that went there after their tour in Italy/Germany said it's ridiculous.
Plus, we ripped you out. You ripped us out.
An unimpressive bunch, to say the least.
yeah who knows i mean to be honest I thought 25ID sucked and thought 101 sucked and 82nd were a bunch of tards. I think its a unit pride thing. To be honest with you if I had my choice though I would probably stick with 18th airborne guys, 82nd,101, 10th. We were around some armor guys and nasty guard and not my choice of battles.