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Constitutional Convention

Canary ass no. 1Canary ass no. 1 Member Posts: 104 ✭✭
Gentlemen;
There is a move afoot from several directions for a Constitutional Convention. Neal Boortz is also talking it up.
The problem....the instant the doors close behind them ..they may do exactly as they wish to draw up a new one.

While there is a few more hurdles to jump over to get it emplaced...the media/government complex would very likely be enough to get some pretty horrible concepts bought off on by the brain-dead voting public...witness the 120 million voting obamacain this last election.

The question is;
Are you going quietly into that long dark night...after the Second and EVERY OTHER `Right' you think you own is replaced by the UN charter....where the State is finally, irrevocably final master of everything ?

Will you resist the lawful, fully by-the-Constitution- ground-rules procedures ..that bring you total Fascism/Socialism ?


Haven't thought about it ? Perhaps its time...

Comments

  • Jim RauJim Rau Member Posts: 3,550
    edited November -1
    Well I had not heard of this HB. But even with the abundance of ignorance and the lack of common sense in our country I don't think it will get off the ground. If you are aware of the process to amend/change the Constitution it will take a lot of convincing even the most liberal/ignorant people to vote for this!!!
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=340428
    I haven't looked into this..but do know that Boortz is talking it up.


    You hold far greater respect for the average idiot here in America then I do.
    Given the push that would be put forth by the media and government, I think they could sell it today.
  • Jim RauJim Rau Member Posts: 3,550
    edited November -1
    HB,
    I don't recall the exact procedure to change the Constitution but it goes something like this:
    The US Congress has to pass the changes by either a 2/3 or 3/4 majority and then it takes the state legislatures to ratify it by the same margin. I do not recall if it take 2/3 or 3/4 of the states to ratify it. And I thing there was a time limit to do this. So it is not easy, NOR SHOULD IT BE!!!
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,846 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "There are essentially two ways spelled out in the Constitution for how to propose an amendment. One has never been used.

    The first method is for a bill to pass both houses of the legislature, by a two-thirds majority in each. Once the bill has passed both houses, it goes on to the states. This is the route taken by all current amendments. Because of some long outstanding amendments, such as the 27th, Congress will normally put a time limit (typically seven years) for the bill to be approved as an amendment (for example, see the 21st and 22nd).

    The second method prescribed is for a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States, and for that Convention to propose one or more amendments. These amendments are then sent to the states to be approved by three-fourths of the legislatures or conventions. This route has never been taken."
  • Jim RauJim Rau Member Posts: 3,550
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pickenup
    "There are essentially two ways spelled out in the Constitution for how to propose an amendment. One has never been used.

    The first method is for a bill to pass both houses of the legislature, by a two-thirds majority in each. Once the bill has passed both houses, it goes on to the states. This is the route taken by all current amendments. Because of some long outstanding amendments, such as the 27th, Congress will normally put a time limit (typically seven years) for the bill to be approved as an amendment (for example, see the 21st and 22nd).

    The second method prescribed is for a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States, and for that Convention to propose one or more amendments. These amendments are then sent to the states to be approved by three-fourths of the legislatures or conventions. This route has never been taken."

    Thanks, it's been a few years since I took Civics!!![:D]
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,597 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I say do it.....we're not using the old one anymore anyways [V]

    We don't have enough clout to run the convention.....but we have enough to stonewall the beejezzus out of it
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    quote:but we have enough to stonewall the beejezzus out of it
    Care to elaborate ? The last Convention nobody had any influnence over except those IN it... or so I seem to remember ?
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,597 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball

    Care to elaborate ? The last Convention nobody had any influnence over except those IN it... or so I seem to remember ?


    Forget I even said that......dumbest thing I've said on the forums in a long, long time.

    State governments would send their own political representatives to any convention.....and libertarian politicians are about as rare a creature as exists in America.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    No prob, Rack; Every one of us have wished for a few words back.

    I just was anxious to find out what I had missed, is all.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Highball. I am pretty sure you would know what I would do.

    If it is the final struggle they want, I am game.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    quote:If it is the final struggle they want, I am game.

    All any man can ask...to give of your sacred honor, your fortune, perhaps your life.
    I am old, tired...not much life left to give. You youngsters impress me, tho.
  • 45long45long Member Posts: 642 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have to agree with HB on this. The majority of the voting public are morons. Add to that fact that those who be going to any convention are already in place. With that in mind, we would have little or NO control over the outcome. It would simply be a done deal and the round up would start. The GOOD Side,(if there is one), is that there would be plenty of notice before hand to warn us of the up coming changes. I say this as the outcome would be published and made known. AS a result, we could hide our babies and wait for the time to strike.
  • rkba4everrkba4ever Member Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If there were to be a new convention, I'm sure the delegates to such a convention would be comprised of exactly the sort of people we would NOT want deciding how to draw up a new one.

    Most of the voting public in this country is not swayed by informed, fact-based opinion. They believe whatever "the box" tells them, and care not to mine for the truth themselves, as witnessed by this past election cycle. Couple that with a profound and disturbing lack of knowledge about the way this republic was set up to run vs. the "reality" of how it's run now and you have a recipe for utter disaster with the state being the final arbiter of rights as opposed to privileges, and who can excersize said rights et. al.

    It would be assured that should such a convention take place the Bill of Rights would be aggregiously altered, * to use the common phrase, and our beloved second amendment would be thrown in the trash bin of history and our republic would fall. Should that sad day come while I draw breath, I would resist by any means within my power until such a time as they take me out or imprison me. I would prefer death to their prison though, as I am sure what would happen to me behind those closed doors would make Abu Ghraib look like a boy scout convention.............
  • Jim RauJim Rau Member Posts: 3,550
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    quote:If it is the final struggle they want, I am game.

    All any man can ask...to give of your sacred honor, your fortune, perhaps your life.
    I am old, tired...not much life left to give. You youngsters impress me, tho.

    BS, HB. Someone has to organize, train, and manage the effort, and yes get into the fight if necessary. So there is a place for all. You are a motivator, and God knows we will need all the motivation we can get. Don't sell yourself short!!![^]
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    quote:You are a motivator
    I WILL admit that I motivate YOU to scream and holler a lot...and MOTIVATE some to break down into slobbering rage at times...[:D][:D]
  • Jim RauJim Rau Member Posts: 3,550
    edited November -1
    Well when two bullheaded old farts butt heads that is bound to happen sometimes![}:)]
  • fullautogunnerfullautogunner Member Posts: 681 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    someone was describing a libertarian. He said that libertarians thought things through, came to an answer, rational, etc. And he then said that is exactly why it won't work for humans, as they are reactionary, unthinking animals who don't plan ahead.

    The wording was 100 times better but you get the point he was making; I AGREE.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,902 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I heard what Boortz said.
    I believe he was calling for a CC from a grass roots movement to rescind the 16th. and the 17th. amendments, and to also call for a new one involving term limits for Congress.

    The only one I have a question about is the 17th.,.......but I think I know what his thought process is on that subject. The other two suggestions, I am fully in favor of.

    A radio personality does not dictate a convention. I believe there may be a bit of confusion between what he has proposed, and what the Obama folks want.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    It was in Ohio. They have postponed the vote....for now. the way I understand it is they need only two more state legislatures to vote for it and they will have the 2/3. The argument is they need one more with "good intentions" because they have the 2nd one needed already waiting in the wings.
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