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quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
Sarge 3ad (Ron) has replied to our invitation...
quote:I am honored to reconized as one of those who really understand what is happening to America. I am prepared for the initiation in the Order of the Brethen of Canary *. I feel I must do this for the Republic. Thank you.
Is this acceptable to the brotherhood?
I would be proud to say Sarge is a brother of mine..I vote ..yes....no.10 [^]
quote:Originally posted by rkba4ever
I guess I should have gone first since I was the one asking (goof that I am[:D])
Oneonta, NY
Freemind, I hear the deer hunting is great in Indiana - been thinking about going for my one wall-hanger sometime in the not-too-distant future (gotta get the house finished before I go chasing bambis dad, but I want to get ONE trophy buck, and the big ones are rare - they usually get pasted before they're three years old around here).
Any recommendations ona place to go for one?
again, sorry for the hijack [;)]
Fighting the good fight in the Commiewealth of Moscowchusettes.
I retract all reservations, as you have proven yourself worthy beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I appreaciate the words of confidence but, as I told jpwolf, I'm not sure that I quite "fit in" with the group that is being assembled.
I consider myself to be a "canary" on a couple issues not involving gun control.....positions that have placed me on the opposite side of the debate, appearently siding with "collectivists".
By the way, I welcome any imput the other Canary * have on the matter, positive or not.
You and I butt heads on "other" issues, true.
I don't know what your opinion on "other" issues has to do with your stand on the Constitution and BOR??
codenamepaul
thanks for the link to appleseed ive heard some about the project but havent been able to find much on it. i just opened the link and gonna see if anythings going on in my area.
quote:Originally posted by Canary * no. 1
Josh;
Your statement that 'nobodies mind is changed by these forums' is false.
Even a cursory reading will reveal honest men admit that they made a mistake supporting gun control and government control for most of their lives.
They will admit publicly that THESE FORUMS directed them to the research that proved the facts as we present them, and opened their eyes.
Perhaps you, too, can benefit from a bit of reading in this forum.
I can gurantee you my mind has been changed from reading what some folks have said on here from time to time, as well as setting me straight on certain issues. For instance I was quite misguided when I first started posting on here regarding concealed carry and that I belived the 2nd Amend. did not specifically say anything about concealing a weapon, only about owning it and using it. Well I was absolutely wrong in my view on it and the fine folks here showed me how I was being wrong. I also had not really thought much about collectivism until learning more about it here and how wrong it is. I am quite sure I will be corrected in the future if I spout off nonsense and I expect to be[:D]
quote:Originally posted by Canary * No. 3
Sarge 3ad,
nyforester,
Rack Ops (provided I don't have to wade through glacier depletion charts)
oklahoma223 (provided he can put up with a non-believer)
LOKO383,
and codenamepaul get #3's vote.
All above not already inducted have my vote. Rack Ops and I are on opposite sides of the table on enviromental issues, but he's decent about it so it's cool.
I would like to nominate ECC for an invite to join the order. I have never seen a time when he did not defend the constitution, and as I have met him personaly on several occasions he comes across as first class American and a damn fine person.
Eric is a good choice. I too have read many of his comments, and nothing he has stated would lead me to believe he doesn't support the RTKBA 100% as worded in the Constitution.
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
Sarge 3ad (Ron) has replied to our invitation...
quote:I am honored to reconized as one of those who really understand what is happening to America. I am prepared for the initiation in the Order of the Brethen of Canary *. I feel I must do this for the Republic. Thank you.
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
Eric is a good choice. I too have read many of his comments, and nothing he has stated would lead me to believe he doesn't support the RTKBA 100% as worded in the Constitution.
No. 4 agrees.
ECC is a "go" from me, as are nyforester and oklahoma.
I have done no research on your posts as of yet and in large part I like what I remember reading from you.
There seems to be something in the back of my mind (unfair perhaps) reference some past positions you have staked out reference the proper role of government.
I ask you now, do you hold to the Federal Government's being strictly constrained to the eighteen specific, enumerated, or delegated powers granted them in the US Constitution?
Are there any government actions, beyond those so stated in the Constitution that you are supportive of?
Not meant to be an witch-hunt Rack, but if the Brethren are about opposing collectivism, the question is important to me, so I am clear on your positions.
I will take you on your word without further research, depending on your reply.
quote:Originally posted by sarge_3ad
Thank you one and all for your support. I feel really honored to be amongst such great men. As I have done 4 times before, I swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. The oath I have proudly sworn, is a oath that I carry for life, against all enemies foreign and domestic.
I shall continue to educate the apathetic! God Bless the Constitution! God Bless the United States of this Republic! and God Bless the Brethren of the Canary * for what they do!
I have done no research on your posts as of yet and in large part I like what I remember reading from you.
There seems to be something in the back of my mind (unfair perhaps) reference some past positions you have staked out reference the proper role of government.
I wouldn't say your recollection is unfair. I've taken (and still hold) positions that are likely contrary to some folk's idea of individual liberty.
I do so without apology. I try to follow my heart and my head.
quote:
I ask you now, do you hold to the Federal Government's being strictly constrained to the eighteen specific, enumerated, or delegated powers granted them in the US Constitution?
Are there any government actions, beyond those so stated in the Constitution that you are supportive of?
You'll have to bear with me, as I never pretended to be a Constitutional expert.
Are there any government actions, beyond those so stated in the Constitution, that I am supportive of? Under my understanding of the Constitution, yes.
I'll be perfectly honest. There are certain laws, regulations, etc. that I agree with that I believe do not currently pass Constitutional muster. Most fall under environmental law (Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, etc), some fall under interstate commerce regulation(although I readily agree that the commerce clause is probably the most frequently twisted portion of the Constitution)
Do I believe some of these laws are the "right thing" to do? Absolutely....but I would also support them being struck down until such time as the Constitution could be amended to support them.....and I would fight tirelessly to that end.
The founders gave us a mechanism to amend the Constitution...and I would rather see us take that route than to go the route of judicial, legislative, or executive fiat. That road leads to tyranny, no matter how well meaning it may be.
quote:
Not meant to be an witch-hunt Rack, but if the Brethren are about opposing collectivism, the question is important to me, so I am clear on your positions.
I understand your (and others) position, which is again why I have been hesitant to ask about membership or accept an invitation....If the "*" were merely focused on gun rights I would have joined in a heartbeat....if for no other reason to piss off fox [;)]
At this point, I'm begining to feel like I'm rambling....I'll stop here and if you have further questions (or feel that I didn't make something fully clear) feel free to ask. I'm used to a hostile audience [:)]
Rack, many laws that you deem helpful and necessary could be undertaken by states as intended. Correct? As you said, when the fed (central) govt does it, it leads to tyranny.
quote:Are there any government actions, beyond those so stated in the Constitution, that I am supportive of? Under my understanding of the Constitution, yes.
I'll be perfectly honest. There are certain laws, regulations, etc. that I agree with that I believe do not currently pass Constitutional muster. Most fall under environmental law (Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, etc), some fall under interstate commerce regulation(although I readily agree that the commerce clause is probably the most frequently twisted portion of the Constitution)
Do I believe some of these laws are the "right thing" to do? Absolutely....but I would also support them being struck down until such time as the Constitution could be amended to support them.....and I would fight tirelessly to that end.
There is a a VAST difference between passing laws by fiat...and amending the Constitution.
I don't much care how misguided you may be pertaining to your wishes for this or that environmental laws..as long as they are done, as you mentioned..BY THE CONSTITUTION !!
We get a chance to fight on an even playing field..as it were..with the burden of proof lying SOLELY upon you..as intended.
Personally..as long as I am No. 1..NO person will be allowed in the door of the O.B.C.A. that advocates for or believes in gun control.
We can..and no doubt WILL..argue about the rest of it.
No Borgs allowed, either..think for yourself is the order of the day.
Nothing in the above post, Rack, disquals. you for admittance.
Rack, many laws that you deem helpful and necessary could be undertaken by states as intended. Correct? As you said, when the fed (central) govt does it, it leads to tyranny.
I don't believe so.
Let me try to give you an example:
Lets say that every state gets to set its own water quality standard. We'll say that West Virgina and Virginia are competing (as they do) for coal companies and the jobs that come with them.
West Virginia has (hypothetically) weak water pollution standards, meaning that it is much cheaper (and legally safer) to do business there. This gives Virginia a choice: Either lower their own standards, or go without the jobs. Assume Va lowers their standards.....West Virgina could lower standards again to keep the buisnesses in place.....and on and on and on.
This ensures a "race to the bottom" and the people in those areas will support it because it means jobs.......clean water is nice, but putting food on the table comes first.
The only way this is curtailed is by making federal standards across the board.
I am honored to be grouped with what should be considered the best representation of "FREEDOM KEEPERS" today. I think we have all been educated by this forum (I know I have) and will continue to learn, educate, and become more powerful as time goes on. I believe our Constitutional Forefathers just might be a little proud and maybe even cracking a smile or two !
Thank you all !
BTW - I am in Upstate NY in the foothills of the Adirondack Mountains - Saratoga Springs.
quote:Originally posted by nyforester
I am honored to be grouped with what should be considered the best representation of "FREEDOM KEEPERS" today. I think we have all been educated by this forum (I know I have) and will continue to learn, educate, and become more powerful as time goes on. I believe our Constitutional Forefathers just might be a little proud and maybe even cracking a smile or two !
Thank you all !
BTW - I am in Upstate NY in the foothills of the Adirondack Mountains - Saratoga Springs.
quote:Originally posted by MT357
I would like to nominate ECC for an invite to join the order. I have never seen a time when he did not defend the constitution, and as I have met him personaly on several occasions he comes across as first class American and a damn fine person.
I graciously accept the nomination should I be approved...has #13 been taken yet...tends to be a lucky number for me.
There should be no question as to where I stand, when it comes to our Constitution...
Comments
I have read many of his posts,.......and he is good to go!
quote:Originally posted by Hunter Mag
Deleted it huh? Not very honorable it seems...[8D][:D]
I could say it, but I won't [;)]
Chicken?[;)]
Sarge 3ad (Ron) has replied to our invitation...
quote:I am honored to reconized as one of those who really understand what is happening to America. I am prepared for the initiation in the Order of the Brethen of Canary *. I feel I must do this for the Republic. Thank you.
Is this acceptable to the brotherhood?
I would be proud to say Sarge is a brother of mine..I vote ..yes....no.10 [^]
I guess I should have gone first since I was the one asking (goof that I am[:D])
Oneonta, NY
Freemind, I hear the deer hunting is great in Indiana - been thinking about going for my one wall-hanger sometime in the not-too-distant future (gotta get the house finished before I go chasing bambis dad, but I want to get ONE trophy buck, and the big ones are rare - they usually get pasted before they're three years old around here).
Any recommendations ona place to go for one?
again, sorry for the hijack [;)]
Fighting the good fight in the Commiewealth of Moscowchusettes.
#7
Originally posted by Canary * No. 3
I retract all reservations, as you have proven yourself worthy beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I appreaciate the words of confidence but, as I told jpwolf, I'm not sure that I quite "fit in" with the group that is being assembled.
I consider myself to be a "canary" on a couple issues not involving gun control.....positions that have placed me on the opposite side of the debate, appearently siding with "collectivists".
By the way, I welcome any imput the other Canary * have on the matter, positive or not.
You and I butt heads on "other" issues, true.
I don't know what your opinion on "other" issues has to do with your stand on the Constitution and BOR??
thanks for the link to appleseed ive heard some about the project but havent been able to find much on it. i just opened the link and gonna see if anythings going on in my area.
Josh;
Your statement that 'nobodies mind is changed by these forums' is false.
Even a cursory reading will reveal honest men admit that they made a mistake supporting gun control and government control for most of their lives.
They will admit publicly that THESE FORUMS directed them to the research that proved the facts as we present them, and opened their eyes.
Perhaps you, too, can benefit from a bit of reading in this forum.
I can gurantee you my mind has been changed from reading what some folks have said on here from time to time, as well as setting me straight on certain issues. For instance I was quite misguided when I first started posting on here regarding concealed carry and that I belived the 2nd Amend. did not specifically say anything about concealing a weapon, only about owning it and using it. Well I was absolutely wrong in my view on it and the fine folks here showed me how I was being wrong. I also had not really thought much about collectivism until learning more about it here and how wrong it is. I am quite sure I will be corrected in the future if I spout off nonsense and I expect to be[:D]
Sarge 3ad,
nyforester,
Rack Ops (provided I don't have to wade through glacier depletion charts)
oklahoma223 (provided he can put up with a non-believer)
LOKO383,
and codenamepaul get #3's vote.
All above not already inducted have my vote. Rack Ops and I are on opposite sides of the table on enviromental issues, but he's decent about it so it's cool.
Sarge 3ad (Ron) has replied to our invitation...
quote:I am honored to reconized as one of those who really understand what is happening to America. I am prepared for the initiation in the Order of the Brethen of Canary *. I feel I must do this for the Republic. Thank you.
Is this acceptable to the brotherhood?
It is to No. 4.
Yes from No.4.
Sarge is a good man.
Eric is a good choice. I too have read many of his comments, and nothing he has stated would lead me to believe he doesn't support the RTKBA 100% as worded in the Constitution.
No. 4 agrees.
ECC is a "go" from me, as are nyforester and oklahoma.
I have done no research on your posts as of yet and in large part I like what I remember reading from you.
There seems to be something in the back of my mind (unfair perhaps) reference some past positions you have staked out reference the proper role of government.
I ask you now, do you hold to the Federal Government's being strictly constrained to the eighteen specific, enumerated, or delegated powers granted them in the US Constitution?
Are there any government actions, beyond those so stated in the Constitution that you are supportive of?
Not meant to be an witch-hunt Rack, but if the Brethren are about opposing collectivism, the question is important to me, so I am clear on your positions.
I will take you on your word without further research, depending on your reply.
nyforester!
He and sarge 3ad need approval. I see sarge has a few "yeas" and forester has one even before he accepted the invite![:D]
Still working on RO[;)]
Okie223 has not seen the invite yet.
HB, You would have mail but it bounced back. Please email me if you would. thanks.
Excellent additions!
Thank you one and all for your support. I feel really honored to be amongst such great men. As I have done 4 times before, I swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. The oath I have proudly sworn, is a oath that I carry for life, against all enemies foreign and domestic.
I shall continue to educate the apathetic! God Bless the Constitution! God Bless the United States of this Republic! and God Bless the Brethren of the Canary * for what they do!
Sarge: aka Canary * #11
Amen Brother sarge, amen. Welcome aboard sir.[;)]
Rack ops,
I have done no research on your posts as of yet and in large part I like what I remember reading from you.
There seems to be something in the back of my mind (unfair perhaps) reference some past positions you have staked out reference the proper role of government.
I wouldn't say your recollection is unfair. I've taken (and still hold) positions that are likely contrary to some folk's idea of individual liberty.
I do so without apology. I try to follow my heart and my head.
quote:
I ask you now, do you hold to the Federal Government's being strictly constrained to the eighteen specific, enumerated, or delegated powers granted them in the US Constitution?
Are there any government actions, beyond those so stated in the Constitution that you are supportive of?
You'll have to bear with me, as I never pretended to be a Constitutional expert.
Are there any government actions, beyond those so stated in the Constitution, that I am supportive of? Under my understanding of the Constitution, yes.
I'll be perfectly honest. There are certain laws, regulations, etc. that I agree with that I believe do not currently pass Constitutional muster. Most fall under environmental law (Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, etc), some fall under interstate commerce regulation(although I readily agree that the commerce clause is probably the most frequently twisted portion of the Constitution)
Do I believe some of these laws are the "right thing" to do? Absolutely....but I would also support them being struck down until such time as the Constitution could be amended to support them.....and I would fight tirelessly to that end.
The founders gave us a mechanism to amend the Constitution...and I would rather see us take that route than to go the route of judicial, legislative, or executive fiat. That road leads to tyranny, no matter how well meaning it may be.
quote:
Not meant to be an witch-hunt Rack, but if the Brethren are about opposing collectivism, the question is important to me, so I am clear on your positions.
I understand your (and others) position, which is again why I have been hesitant to ask about membership or accept an invitation....If the "*" were merely focused on gun rights I would have joined in a heartbeat....if for no other reason to piss off fox [;)]
At this point, I'm begining to feel like I'm rambling....I'll stop here and if you have further questions (or feel that I didn't make something fully clear) feel free to ask. I'm used to a hostile audience [:)]
Now that's funny[:D]
Rack, many laws that you deem helpful and necessary could be undertaken by states as intended. Correct? As you said, when the fed (central) govt does it, it leads to tyranny.
I'll be perfectly honest. There are certain laws, regulations, etc. that I agree with that I believe do not currently pass Constitutional muster. Most fall under environmental law (Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, etc), some fall under interstate commerce regulation(although I readily agree that the commerce clause is probably the most frequently twisted portion of the Constitution)
Do I believe some of these laws are the "right thing" to do? Absolutely....but I would also support them being struck down until such time as the Constitution could be amended to support them.....and I would fight tirelessly to that end.
There is a a VAST difference between passing laws by fiat...and amending the Constitution.
I don't much care how misguided you may be pertaining to your wishes for this or that environmental laws..as long as they are done, as you mentioned..BY THE CONSTITUTION !!
We get a chance to fight on an even playing field..as it were..with the burden of proof lying SOLELY upon you..as intended.
Personally..as long as I am No. 1..NO person will be allowed in the door of the O.B.C.A. that advocates for or believes in gun control.
We can..and no doubt WILL..argue about the rest of it.
No Borgs allowed, either..think for yourself is the order of the day.
Nothing in the above post, Rack, disquals. you for admittance.
My Opinion...what about it, C.A.s, ?
Rack, many laws that you deem helpful and necessary could be undertaken by states as intended. Correct? As you said, when the fed (central) govt does it, it leads to tyranny.
I don't believe so.
Let me try to give you an example:
Lets say that every state gets to set its own water quality standard. We'll say that West Virgina and Virginia are competing (as they do) for coal companies and the jobs that come with them.
West Virginia has (hypothetically) weak water pollution standards, meaning that it is much cheaper (and legally safer) to do business there. This gives Virginia a choice: Either lower their own standards, or go without the jobs. Assume Va lowers their standards.....West Virgina could lower standards again to keep the buisnesses in place.....and on and on and on.
This ensures a "race to the bottom" and the people in those areas will support it because it means jobs.......clean water is nice, but putting food on the table comes first.
The only way this is curtailed is by making federal standards across the board.
Rambling again....
Thank you all !
BTW - I am in Upstate NY in the foothills of the Adirondack Mountains - Saratoga Springs.
OBCA No.12
Order of the Brethren of the Canary *
I am honored to be grouped with what should be considered the best representation of "FREEDOM KEEPERS" today. I think we have all been educated by this forum (I know I have) and will continue to learn, educate, and become more powerful as time goes on. I believe our Constitutional Forefathers just might be a little proud and maybe even cracking a smile or two !
Thank you all !
BTW - I am in Upstate NY in the foothills of the Adirondack Mountains - Saratoga Springs.
OBCA No.12
Order of the Brethren of the Canary *
[;)]
I would like to nominate ECC for an invite to join the order. I have never seen a time when he did not defend the constitution, and as I have met him personaly on several occasions he comes across as first class American and a damn fine person.
I graciously accept the nomination should I be approved...has #13 been taken yet...tends to be a lucky number for me.
There should be no question as to where I stand, when it comes to our Constitution...
how time flies.[:D]
yes it does....how ya been?