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Instant Check Snafu
ron65
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The last three guns I have purchased The instant Check came back with (Waiting for more information) The one at Wal-Mart dragged on for 30 days and the we were told the application had expired but if I re-applied we would get the same answer. The seller may sell to me after 72 hrs (weekends not included) but the seller does not "Have to complete the sale".WM and a lot of Sporting good stores will not sell unless they receive a O K from BTAF.Many of our Politicians see the instant check as a very minor hindrance in the purchase of a gun;in my case it prohibits me from purchasing a gun! Not the way it is supposed to work. I have written to NRA and was told there was nothing they could do. How many of you have had a problem like this? Ron
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Once you send them the info, they issue you a PIN number so you won't be delayed again. I know, a big pain but it can be done. I've had a few customers do it and it works.
I am in the same boat. Everytime i go and buy a long gun i get delayed. I have never been in trouble and honerably discharged from the Air Force. I can buy all the pistols i want. In my state (NC) you have to go through the police to get a pistol i have no problem there. I have to get my long guns from whoever decides after 3 days that they will sell me one. Its a hassel. David
First of all, for the record, that SUCKS.
The work around would be to get your CCW which would grease things nicely. You should not have to but in the interest of actually getting a gun and going shooting vs fighting Byzantium,......
I live in NC too. I did not buy a gun here until after I had my CCW.
Thanks for the input, I'll try for a pin next purchase. Ron
You have to establish a Voluntary Appeal File first. After approval, you will then be given a PIN to enter on future 4473's and which should hopefully solve your problem.
See the link for information.
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/vafbrocheng.htm
Ron
Thanks for the input guys; Two of my local Sporting goods stores have the same policy Scheels and Big Bear. WM had a Special run of Ruger 10-22 (made in America by the way) with 22 inch Stainless barrel,a deluxe sporter. I've waited 40 years for them to make it.Love it! I like Walmart Too! Sam Walton's philosophy and practice was if you can produce a product in the Quantity & Quality they require, they will carry it in their stores.(can't get asy more American than that!!) I have the last three guns I wanted and two of them were in my name on the records from the dealers.but that makes no difference to BTAF.The NRA Reply made it sound as if my going through the contacting BTAF and requesting an explanation would put me on a never get ok listing?? If I got a Negative reply, I could then Get a Reason for denial. I don't want a CCW In my opinion that's Registration! In Montana you can Carry openly without a permit;although I don't usually go to town with one on my hip.Ron
That was Sam, he's been dead for years and they don't operate that way anymore, but that another subject.
Hi; I checked up on my appeal last part of Nov and was told it is taking 145 days just for FBI to get to my file to process it. So not too encouraging for Instant Check System. Our Government at work?? Think they can process millions of medical Claims faster??.Ron
Nope, it takes them about 6mos on average to decide they didn't get an employer tax report that has been mailed and 12 mos on average to question any amounts on forms they don't manage to lose.
Hi; I checked up on my appeal last part of Nov and was told it is taking 145 days just for FBI to get to my file to process it. So not too encouraging for Instant Check System. Our Government at work?? Think they can process millions of medical Claims faster??.Ron
You can bet that a criminal isn't waiting 145 days to "buy their weapon". So tell me, just who is this waiting period law protecting?
And NO they (the government) will not be able to process medical any faster than that. You know, there must be a reason the Canadians come south to the U.S. to get their medical care. You know THEY have socialized medicine up there. Just like what Obamination wants US to have. Isn't he special....
I feel for you, man. Good luck.
Hey Eric, The application I've been waitin all this time for is for the PIN number! sounds simple , just get a pin number! I talked to my Sherrif and He says I can apply for a CCW permit, byt he has to clear it through the FBI also so back to square one. Thanks for the support guys. Ron
Your CCW will likely go through the FBI...but probably not with the same scrutiny as the ATF's PIN #. I'd get your carry permit...
Glad it worked out for you.
Too bad you have to go through this UNCONSTITUTIONAL (%*$%* [:(!]
Obviously I won't go back for anything, let alone a 500 dollar 22. And how many felons are "straw purchsing" a 500 22 boys rifle? Has anyone else had this happen? I bought a Uberti 44-40 at the same store last Chrisymas and it was bad because they did not know anything about the pruducts and then lost the pistol I had ordered along with the paperwork, including the 525 dollar reciept. I will not be back, and I spent 3000 a year at least there on ammo.
The Lady I spoke with was very nice and She informed Me that there was Someone with the same name as Mine that is a Felon so I always get put on hold until They figure out I am not this Guy.The funny thing is that this Guy lives in the same City as I do.
Yea, its worth it just to get your good guy card (CCW Permit) saves the hassel. You ever contact the BATF to see what the deal is, why your getting held all the time?
YUP it is certainly worth the trouble to get one of those may even help if you get pulled over, since I had a cop pull me over I handed him my CC permit, He asked If I was carrying and I said yes, told him what it was and asked if he'd like to look at it. He said no thanks, have a good day
When NICS is down you can still buy
YUP it is certainly worth the trouble to get one of those may even help if you get pulled over, since I had a cop pull me over I handed him my CC permit, He asked If I was carrying and I said yes, told him what it was and asked if he'd like to look at it. He said no thanks, have a good day
When NICS is down you can still buy
So you think having your 2A right, shoved up your *, is a good thing?[?]
quote:Originally posted by lksmith03
YUP it is certainly worth the trouble to get one of those may even help if you get pulled over, since I had a cop pull me over I handed him my CC permit, He asked If I was carrying and I said yes, told him what it was and asked if he'd like to look at it. He said no thanks, have a good day
When NICS is down you can still buy
So you think having your 2A right, shoved up your *, is a good thing?[?]
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quote:Originally posted by lksmith03
YUP it is certainly worth the trouble to get one of those may even help if you get pulled over, since I had a cop pull me over I handed him my CC permit, He asked If I was carrying and I said yes, told him what it was and asked if he'd like to look at it. He said no thanks, have a good day
When NICS is down you can still buy
So you think having your 2A right, shoved up your *, is a good thing?[?]
Never said I liked HAVING to get a permit to exercise my GOD given right. Just trying to make the best of a bad thing.
In My opinion the only restrictions on ones RTKBA is their desire to get something and their ability to afford it.
I can half way see a type of NICS to see if ones Constitutional right has been revoked but that's it. The current form it is crap since teh Govt runs it and the govt can't do anytihng right domestically
I can half way see a type of NICS to see if ones Constitutional right has been revoked but that's it.I know of an easy way to tell if someone's Constitutional right has been revoked.....If they're standing in front of you it's not because they are not in jail/prison.
quote:Originally posted by lksmith03
I can half way see a type of NICS to see if ones Constitutional right has been revoked but that's it.I know of an easy way to tell if someone's Constitutional right has been revoked.....If they're standing in front of you it's not because they are not in jail/prison.
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HPD gets it. Why is the concept so hard?
As far as I am concerned, NICS=gun registration and I'm not gonna play. Who really thinks that all those juicy records are deleted?
Not me, Charlie. That goes double for this misadministration.
As an aircraft mechanic, I have passed several FBI backbround checks in order to be cleared for a SITA badge and work on air carrier aircraft. But I'll be da***d if I will go through that in order to buy a gun. Neither will I give anyone my ID. Or ask for theirs. I don't want my name to come up if some LEO leans on them some day, and vice versa. Both parties are protected this way. It is nobody's business who buys and who sells guns. Unless you are a violent criminal, in which case you aren't going to obey laws anyway.
Thanks for the update.
Glad it worked out for you.
Too bad you have to go through this UNCONSTITUTIONAL (%*$%* [:(!]
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There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for them to take that long to process your Un-Constitutional paperwork. If you come into my gun shop and don't raise any red flags with me personally, I will transfer the firearm on the 5th business day with or without the ATF's approval.
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
quote:Originally posted by lksmith03
I can half way see a type of NICS to see if ones Constitutional right has been revoked but that's it.I know of an easy way to tell if someone's Constitutional right has been revoked.....If they're standing in front of you it's not because they are not in jail/prison.
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HPD gets it. Why is the concept so hard?
Just trying to be realistic, the only way to get our rights back is do regain the m the same way they were lost, small incremental steps.
All of the gun laws on the books are unconstitutional since they violate the due process clause of the 14th amendment by revoking ones rights that are protected by the 2nd Amendment without the due process of law. If I could wave a magic wand and undo all the damage done by idiotic politicians I would but since I don't have said wand I have to go with the best thing I have available which is incrementalism to turn back the damage.
I hope that clears up my point a little better
I believe it is because the first day when you originally go for the check doesn't count. Add 3 full days(72 hrs) and the 5th day Eric has fulfilled the required wait period.
This is correct. The first day doesn't count...The ATF actually provides you with a chart showing what day of the week you can legally transfer on after getting a delay. It works out to 5 business days.