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worstenemy453
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I am a new person when it comes to gun ownership.
Ive always been fascinated by guns, always wanted to have them. I am 18 so my life is young. I have a Mossberg 640T 22 Mag, About to buy a Benelli Super Nova and will buy a Black rifle in the near future as well as plenty of other guns as i get older.
I want to join an organization that will fight for my gun rights and will try to preserve the 2nd amendment. The first org that comes to mind is the NRA but i wanted to ask you guys if there are anymore or better organizations that i could look into.
Ive always been fascinated by guns, always wanted to have them. I am 18 so my life is young. I have a Mossberg 640T 22 Mag, About to buy a Benelli Super Nova and will buy a Black rifle in the near future as well as plenty of other guns as i get older.
I want to join an organization that will fight for my gun rights and will try to preserve the 2nd amendment. The first org that comes to mind is the NRA but i wanted to ask you guys if there are anymore or better organizations that i could look into.
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PJ
If nobody seen you do it, how could you have done it. NRA BENEFACTOR-LIFE Member, AF&AM, Shriner Life Member, A.B.A.T.E. of Illinois "Chicago Chapter" Founding Member & Board Member
They've been keeping us safe since 1934, 1968, 1986, and 1994. They devote 100% of the membership fees they get to defending the 2nd Amendment, and all the head people work as volunteers.
In other words, my vote is for the GOA.[^]
In recent years the American Civil Liberties Union has gone to court in defense of private gun ownership, and won, on several occasions.
Maybe I should shift my NRA membership dollars to the ACLU?
Them: "Send us money to renew your membership, also we'll send you a free knife."
Me: "Where is the knife made?"
Them: "Can't answer that, don't know."
Me: "Tell you what. How about you quit spending so much of my dues on mailings asking me for more money. Also start buying your free gifts you send out here in America, and maybe, just maybe folks will re-up a little more. For now, I'm not renewing."
BTW, worstenemy453, in case you didn't know, green, italicized font is code for sarcasm.
I will admit i am ignorant of the subject which is shown by the fact that i thought the NRA was decent.
Ill look into the GOA and ACLU.
It isnt so much that the NRA wants to completely ban guns, it just doesnt want them protected, because it only makes money when people fear for their gun rights..
A targeted gun ban would actually be good for the NRA, it would justify its continued existence. As it ded during the gun bans back in the early ninties. Thats why it tried to torpedo the recent court hearings that re affirmed what the consitution already states is a god goven right.
Which in itself should tell you how few rights you actually have, if you think about it.
and it should also tell you how much you should trust the folks who get paid to "conserve" a right in america today.
get hooked up to your local non NRA affiliated gun organizations as well, they will do more for your state then any national organization, because they will have the power to directly shape your state legislature.
That said the GOA gets my vote as well.
get hooked up to your local non NRA affiliated gun organizations as well, they will do more for your state then any national organization, because they will have the power to directly shape your state legislature.
How do i go about finding local organizations ?
Is there a website that might have a list of them or something.
Now if i join now and pay the $20, will i need to repay in January again ? It says annual but they are calling it the 2010 membership. Maybe i should just wait until the first to join.
Found the GOA, seems like a great organization from just looking around on the website.
Now if i join now and pay the $20, will i need to repay in January again ? It says annual but they are calling it the 2010 membership. Maybe i should just wait until the first to join.
GOA membership is 12 months from the day you pay.
None of them have accomplished much of anything in stopping the gun laws. Sure, a little here and a little there, but Major Issues they havent put a dent in them.[:(]
http://www.vcdl.org/
I'm smelling a troll...but the NRA is one of the worst anti-gun organizations on the planet...period. They are a wolf in sheep's clothing...and have deceived millions...working behind the scenes to strip you of your rights to own firearms.
Nah just young and ignorant... Everyone has been there..
OP- SAF or The CATO Institute have done the most in the last decade.
and should never own a firearm.
Shut off the computer and go study
or I'll spank you.I think mommie is
calling.
The most prominent examples being Heller and McDonald, of course, but much good work, particularly by the SAF, has been done in local venues across the country.
Brad Steele
Another vote for GOA, and also Second Amendment Foundation(SAF).
both of these get my vote as well.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Both NRA and GOA beg for more money, both have political agendas beyond the second amendment, but GOA does not pay the top offices millions per year.
All I know is the NRA supports Chinese baseball cap factories, Chinese LED flashlight factories and I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if the window sticker they sent me for my car was printed in China too.
In recent years the American Civil Liberties Union has gone to court in defense of private gun ownership, and won, on several occasions.
Maybe I should shift my NRA membership dollars to the ACLU?
Dont forget Rifle scopes with the NRA label....Made in China!!!
Sonny, you're ignorant, immature
and should never own a firearm.
Shut off the computer and go study
or I'll spank you.I think mommie is
calling.
I love how you come at me doing the same thing i was doing. I guess being a hypocrite is working for you moron.
which organization uses more of its money to fight for our rights and which one wasts more money on pretty much worthless crap??
And last i knew GOA didnt have mandatory join up fees. can you give 50 bucks. great. 25 bucks. thank you. cant afford to give anything. thanks for joining. ive joined up family to the GOA.
Ether way, if it quacks like a duck it isn't an insurance salesman![;)]
Trinity +++
If you are wise you will tell the NRA to NEVER call or mail you asking for money.
You are wise to avoid the NRA-ILA like the black plague Evil twin to the devil it truly is.
My .02 and I'm stickin' to it.
OK then, if not, read the sticky in this forum about the NRA-ILA.
quote:Originally posted by bpost
If you are going to shoot in Competition you must be a NRA member; that will remain that way until someone else steps up to sanction shooting sports.
You should be a bit more specific here. I have been shooting Competition for YEARS. Sometimes 3 matches per week (which is about as much as I want) and have NEVER been asked if I was a member of the NRA.
quote:Originally posted by bpost
You are wise to avoid the NRA-ILA like the black plague Evil twin to the devil it truly is.
Totally agree here.
Join the NRA. Not perfect but nothing is. Some people here hate them, but I go to a lot of gun shows and never find NRA haters there. GOA is also good and do not forget your state rifle association if there is one.
It isn't about hate.
It is simply about the FACT that they support gun-control and work with government to ensure a system of anti-constitutional gun-privileges, rather than standing against infringement.
This concept is regularly poo-poo'd or ignored by many, leading me to the inescapable concluson that those who do so are supportive of certain forms of gun-control also.
Gun-control is expressly contrary to the Constitution.
Willing and knowing support for an organization that promotes and furthers gun-control is clear support for gun-control.
Do the math.
It is a dirt-simple equation.
Thats why they never fight for consitutional carry and such. by doing so it would be pretty much the same as Robbing themselves of money. And they like money. Alot.
the threat of a ban ensures they get money, carry permits insures they get their cut of the proceeds of the permits.
It is about time someone replaces them as the group that fights for gun rights, and they just stick with training, and selling insurance and whatever else it is they peddle. then there would be no conflict of interests that compromise our gun rights away for profit.[;)]
Thats what the folks who are behind these law suites going to the supreme court are trying to do. Circumvent the strangle hold of the NRA to actually get gun rights insured, that once insured makes the NRA moot.
you follow me?
lt, the NRA had no hand in the passing of consitutional carry down in AZ did they?
Lately, the Cato Institute, the GOA (Gun-owners of America), and the SAF (Second Amendment Foundation) have been leading the charge to repeal 2nd Amendment infringements.
The most prominent examples being Heller and McDonald, of course, but much good work, particularly by the SAF, has been done in local venues across the country.
How about some specific examples to back up your claims? You will not find many example. I will agree on the Cato Institute and the Heller vs DC with the exception that the actual lawsuit was filed and funded by a lone, wealthy individual who just happened to be a prominent member of the Cato institute. In addition, if you are going to mention the Heller vs DC lawsuit you should also mention that the NRA had two of their lawyers in the courtroom arguing the case also.
And if you appreciate organizations like the Cato Institute filing pro-gun lawsuits in court, then why don't you appreciate the NRA for the countless lawsuits they have filed in court?
In regards to the other organizations you mention, they make some headlines on rare occasions, but I sadly have not seen many actual results from them.
You professional NRA haters now have premission to flame away. I may or may not read your comments and I most likely will definately not respond to them.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Lately, the Cato Institute, the GOA (Gun-owners of America), and the SAF (Second Amendment Foundation) have been leading the charge to repeal 2nd Amendment infringements.
The most prominent examples being Heller and McDonald, of course, but much good work, particularly by the SAF, has been done in local venues across the country.
How about some specific examples to back up your claims? You will not find many example. I will agree on the Cato Institute and the Heller vs DC with the exception that the actual lawsuit was filed and funded by a lone, wealthy individual who just happened to be a prominent member of the Cato institute. In addition, if you are going to mention the Heller vs DC lawsuit you should also mention that the NRA had two of their lawyers in the courtroom arguing the case also.
And if you appreciate organizations like the Cato Institute filing pro-gun lawsuits in court, then why don't you appreciate the NRA for the countless lawsuits they have filed in court?
In regards to the other organizations you mention, they make some headlines on rare occasions, but I sadly have not seen many actual results from them.
You professional NRA haters now have premission to flame away. I may or may not read your comments and I most likely will definately not respond to them.
Are you really brain dead? Or do you just pretend to be brain dead on GB forums? Why is such a vocal proponent of gun control even here?
NRA tried their best to torpedo Heller, as a proper ruling would have put the profit-side of their business, out of business. They were in panic mode. ONLY after having failed at that, did they step in and attempt to argue it from the weakest legal standpoint available, hoping to assure a wishy washy pro-gun-control, anti-liberty decision. Once again, they were successful, eh fox? Moron.[xx(]
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Lately, the Cato Institute, the GOA (Gun-owners of America), and the SAF (Second Amendment Foundation) have been leading the charge to repeal 2nd Amendment infringements.
The most prominent examples being Heller and McDonald, of course, but much good work, particularly by the SAF, has been done in local venues across the country.
How about some specific examples to back up your claims? You will not find many example. I will agree on the Cato Institute and the Heller vs DC with the exception that the actual lawsuit was filed and funded by a lone, wealthy individual who just happened to be a prominent member of the Cato institute. In addition, if you are going to mention the Heller vs DC lawsuit you should also mention that the NRA had two of their lawyers in the courtroom arguing the case also.
And if you appreciate organizations like the Cato Institute filing pro-gun lawsuits in court, then why don't you appreciate the NRA for the countless lawsuits they have filed in court?
In regards to the other organizations you mention, they make some headlines on rare occasions, but I sadly have not seen many actual results from them.
You professional NRA haters now have premission to flame away. I may or may not read your comments and I most likely will definately not respond to them.
Your lack of response, Mr. Fox, would only mirror your lack of interest in the full tapestry of 2nd Amendment Rights activism.
In under a minute, the following was found on the SAF website. 'Sadly' is correct in that you spend inordinate amounts of time bemoaning those that do not support the NRA, but choose to remain purposefully ignorant of any activity outside the NRA/ILA. Sad indeed...
http://saf.org/default.asp?p=legalaction#index
From the link:
Gun Rights Legal Action
Index
NJ Permit Denial
SAF Sues N.J. Officials For 'Deprivation of Civil Rights' On Permit Denials
DC Misdemeanor
SAF Sues Eric Holder, FBI Over Misdemeanor Gun Rights Denial
Nordyke Lawsuit
SAF Files Amicus Brief in Nordyke Case, Argues For Strict Scrutiny
Chicago Lawsuit #2
SAF Sues Chicago Over Gun Range Prohibition On 1A, 2A Grounds
Maryland Lawsuit
SAF Sues in Maryland Over Handgun Permit Denial
New York Lawsuit
SAF Sues in New York to Void 'Good Cause' Carry Permit Requirement
North Carolina Lawsuit
SAF Sues to Overturn North Carolina's 'Emergency Powers' Gun Bans
DC Handgun Carry Lawsuit
SAF Sues District of Columbia over Carrying of Handguns
Seattle Parks Gun Ban Lawsuit
Gun Rights Organizations Win Lawsuit to Stop Seattle Ban
CA Denial of Right Lawsuit
SAF Challenges Arbitrary Denial of Right to Bear Arms in California
CA Roster Lawsuit
SAF Challenges California Handgun Ban Scheme
DC Expat Lawsuit
SAF Sues Eric Holder Over Gun Rights of Non-resident American Citizens
DC Handgun Roster Lawsuit
SAF Challenges D.C. Handgun Ban Scheme
WA Alien Resident Lawsuit
SAF, NRA Sue Washington State for Discriminating Against Alien Residents
Hayes Lawsuit
SAF Files Amicus Brief in Hayes Case
Chicago Gun Ban
SAF Files Lawsuit Challenging Chicago's Handgun Ban
DC Gun Ban
SAF Files Amici Curiae Brief in Lawsuit; DC Gun Ban Ruled Unconstitutional
San Francisco Gun Ban
SAF Sues to Overturn San Francisco Gun Ban
New Orleans Gun Grab Lawsuit
SAF Stops New Orleans Gun Confiscation
Washington State Library Lawsuit
SAF Sues Library System Over Internet Censorship of Gun Websites
Texas 'Sporting Purposes' Lawsuit
SAF Files Texas Lawsuit Defending the Gun Rights of Citizens Living Abroad, Challenges 'Sporting Purpose' Restriction
Ohio 'Sporting Purposes' Lawsuit
SAF Files Ohio Lawsuit Defending the Gun Rights of Citizens Living Abroad, Challenges 'Sporting Purpose' Restriction
Your dismissal of the CATO Institute's contributions are particularly telling in that in the McDonald case CATO pursued a true incorporation of the 2nd, only to be undermined by the NRA in their pursuit of a 'due process' incorporation. Obviously a due process incorporation sustains the NRA/ILA ability to milk monies from the gun rights sheep. A privileges and immunities incorporation would effectively put the NRA/ILA out of business, as it is a natural/human rights (I.E. Constitutional) approach.
If you had an actual interest or concern about our 2nd Amendment Rights, you would perform the due diligence to investigate that about which you speak. You would also take a little bit of time to try and understand why the NRA/ILA adopts the positions it adopts. As it is, you obviously have buried your head in the sand, accepted the 'Too big to challenge' mantra of the NRA/ILA, and either agree with the anti-Constitutional restrictions promoted by the NRA/ILA, or simply do not understand the difference between the NRA's 'Gun Rights' and CATO's (and the founders) '2nd Amendment Rights'.
Edit:
Mr. Fox, its been a full week. Any thoughts?
Brad Steele
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain