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Who's loves Obama and The BATF ?
sovereignman
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/03/guns-groups-to-sue-over-new-obama-regulations-doj-vows-to-vigorously-oppose/
Give the *-stards an inch they take and take and take and take. What choice does the FFL dealer have, he or she is a flunky for the BATF .
JMO. After all it was the colusion of the batf and ffl dealers that got good people murdered.
When are Us citizens going to grow a set? When are FFL dealers going to grow a set? Oh that's right it about license and money and control of the serfs.
If you can carry openly in your state start today and grow a set or lose what little rights you have left. JMO
Give the *-stards an inch they take and take and take and take. What choice does the FFL dealer have, he or she is a flunky for the BATF .
JMO. After all it was the colusion of the batf and ffl dealers that got good people murdered.
When are Us citizens going to grow a set? When are FFL dealers going to grow a set? Oh that's right it about license and money and control of the serfs.
If you can carry openly in your state start today and grow a set or lose what little rights you have left. JMO
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Personally, I cannot recall anyone I know professing to love Barack Hussein Obama.
I run with the crowd of freedom believers. [^]
I run in a mixed crowd to educate people I know, it is the only way to spread freedom and its ideals.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/03/guns-groups-to-sue-over-new-obama-regulations-doj-vows-to-vigorously-oppose/
Give the *-stards an inch they take and take and take and take. What choice does the FFL dealer have, he or she is a flunky for the BATF .
JMO. After all it was the collusion of the batf and ffl dealers that got good people murdered.
When are Us citizens going to grow a set? When are FFL dealers going to grow a set? Oh that's right it about license and money and control of the serfs.
The government only has the power you give it. Freedom or slavery your choice. When you agree to the creation of a unconstitutional law the government gains more power over your life, your liberty, your freedom. JMO..
If you can carry openly in your state start today and grow a set or lose what little rights you have left. JMO
Taking license from the B.A.T.F. is the same as sleeping with the enemy. Keeping records on gun purchases is the same as registration.
FFl dealers have a license to make an unconstitutional dirty buck off the ignorant and lazy American citizen. JMO. Why the hell do any of you need to go to your "masters ?" to protect your families and friends? The government has done well with brain washing the serfs.
I bought a nice .22 today I paid the cash and I got the firearm, no questions asked no FFL "DEAL-ER" needed or required. Freedom isn't free if you have to bow to a master. Guns today, knives tomorrow, forks next week. We are becoming a socialist welfare state.Time to change. JMO.
Mr. sovereignman, by any chance are you a Sovereign Citizen?
FFL dealers support Gunbroker, which in turn provides you with this forum to spout your opinion, whether it makes any sense or not.
Mr. sovereignman, by any chance are you a Sovereign Citizen?
FFl dealers are licensed through the United states government, they have asked for privilege above other fellow citizens. They do not respect the Supreme law of this land if they did they wouldn't have ran to the Federal government with their hand out to make a buck. I suggest you and everyone read this link, your next.
http://www.atfabuse.com/atfabuse-4.html
And for those that don't know the law.
From ATF.gov
Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?
A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]
Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]
Thank God an FFL dealer is NOT always required.
Before FFL dealers there was the freedom to buy and sell .
Tell me something. Where does the Constitution say a citizen needs a
government agent to buy and sell.
FFL dealers are leeches, just my opinion don't take it too personal.
You like the money? Right?
Some one will eventually figure it out and start a web site to sell firearms in state. States rights still prevail.
Until the world becomes as I wish it to be, I have to live in the world as it is.
Are you a Sovereign Citizen???
I understand idealism, but I must be a realist.
Until the world becomes as I wish it to be, I have to live in the world as it is.
Are you a Sovereign Citizen???
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
George Washington
"Woe to those who decree unjust statutes and to those who continually record unjust decisions,to deprive the needy of justice, and to rob the poor of My people of their rights..."
Isaiah 10:1,2
I had a long reply but it would do no good so I erased it.
if all would read ,understand, and practice freedom and kept it in their heart, we might have a chance.
http://www.apfn.org/pdf/citizen.pdf
They are doing the job, yhe congress assigned them. Like in any job, there are those who go afoul and have to be reigned in. Thats why we have a system based upon the rule of law. If we oppose one of their regs, we have the right to challange it in court.
I have yet to meet an ffl owner who is a flunky of the ATF. The ffl holderr is by abiding by the rules, following the mission statement of the ATF. Keeping guns out og the hands of criminals.
When I purchase a gun it always makes me feel a little safer, knowing, that everyone who purchases one has to be checked. Those that buy from a private party, hey more power to ya. Just be sure that the weapon you purchased wasn't used in a crime...it might come back to haunt you.
ps I have contributed to the lawsuits now being file.
Has anyone ever read the mission statement of the ATF? I would hope that all ffl holders have. It the first paragraph of the regs book.
They are doing the job, yhe congress assigned them. Like in any job, there are those who go afoul and have to be reigned in. Thats why we have a system based upon the rule of law. If we oppose one of their regs, we have the right to challange it in court.
I have yet to meet an ffl owner who is a flunky of the ATF. The ffl holderr is by abiding by the rules, following the mission statement of the ATF. Keeping guns out og the hands of criminals.
When I purchase a gun it always makes me feel a little safer, knowing, that everyone who purchases one has to be checked. Those that buy from a private party, hey more power to ya. Just be sure that the weapon you purchased wasn't used in a crime...it might come back to haunt you.
ps I have contributed to the lawsuits now being file.
Maybe we should register all knives and pellet guns as well.
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/as_gun_deaths_decline_in_new_y.html
Non-NFA firearms are not registered, at least not at the federal level, and not when they are purchased from a FFL.
If FFL dealers are stooges of the BATF, what are gun owners who choose to live in locations with oppressive gun laws? California, Illinois, New York, and Massachussets come to mind.
quote:Maybe we should register all knives and pellet guns as well.
Non-NFA firearms are not registered, at least not at the federal level, and not when they are purchased from a FFL.
If FFL dealers are stooges of the BATF, what are gun owners who choose to live in locations with oppressive gun laws? California, Illinois, New York, and Massachussets come to mind.
What you are talking about are "hypocrites." And how many hypocrites do we have here that will condemn FFL's for their very existance yet, when that hypocrite wants to buy a particular gun from a particular buyer, that hypocrite quietly choses to do business with one of those "evil" FFL's. Or how about the hypocrites who choose to obtain a CCW and then charge everyone else who does the same as "begging for their gun rights?"
quote:Maybe we should register all knives and pellet guns as well.
Non-NFA firearms are not registered, at least not at the federal level, and not when they are purchased from a FFL.
If FFL dealers are stooges of the BATF, what are gun owners who choose to live in locations with oppressive gun laws? California, Illinois, New York, and Massachussets come to mind.
Answer : Fighters for Constitutional Law, at least those in my group. How about you?
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Maybe we should register all knives and pellet guns as well.
Non-NFA firearms are not registered, at least not at the federal level, and not when they are purchased from a FFL.
If FFL dealers are stooges of the BATF, what are gun owners who choose to live in locations with oppressive gun laws? California, Illinois, New York, and Massachussets come to mind.
Answer : Fighters for Constitutional Law, at least those in my group. How about you?
This is not meant in an insulting way since you seem to be sincere; just confused. But exactly how much "fighting for the Constitution" do you actually do?
Nobody has the right to call themselves a "fighter" unless they are actually out there "fighting." Right? Otherwise, the word has no real meaning anymore.
We've got a lot of people on here who claim to either be fighters or at the least "fighters in waiting for the perfect moment." Yet I doubt they have done any actual fighting for the constitution.
I myself have spent time, money and effort actually doing something I believe helps "fight" for gun rights and the constitution. Even if as many here say, my "fighting" has been the wrong fighting, at least I am fighting. In comparsion, my critics here do little or nothing but post about "fighting."
No, assuming you live in such a state, and assuming that you comply with the oppressive laws and regulations. If you do, that makes you a stooge, same as me with my FFL and CHL.
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Maybe we should register all knives and pellet guns as well.
Non-NFA firearms are not registered, at least not at the federal level, and not when they are purchased from a FFL.
If FFL dealers are stooges of the BATF, what are gun owners who choose to live in locations with oppressive gun laws? California, Illinois, New York, and Massachussets come to mind.
Answer : Fighters for Constitutional Law, at least those in my group. How about you?
This is not meant in an insulting way since you seem to be sincere; just confused. But exactly how much "fighting for the Constitution" do you actually do?
Nobody has the right to call themselves a "fighter" unless they are actually out there "fighting." Right? Otherwise, the word has no real meaning anymore.
We've got a lot of people on here who claim to either be fighters or at the least "fighters in waiting for the perfect moment." Yet I doubt they have done any actual fighting for the constitution.
I myself have spent time, money and effort actually doing something I believe helps "fight" for gun rights and the constitution. Even if as many here say, my "fighting" has been the wrong fighting, at least I am fighting. In comparsion, my critics here do little or nothing but post about "fighting."
Thanks it needed to be said, there are a lot of armchair commandos in this great country. I am planning a trip to our legislature to discuss open carry laws.
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Maybe we should register all knives and pellet guns as well.
Non-NFA firearms are not registered, at least not at the federal level, and not when they are purchased from a FFL.
If FFL dealers are stooges of the BATF, what are gun owners who choose to live in locations with oppressive gun laws? California, Illinois, New York, and Massachussets come to mind.
Answer : Fighters for Constitutional Law, at least those in my group. How about you?
This is not meant in an insulting way since you seem to be sincere; just confused. But exactly how much "fighting for the Constitution" do you actually do?
Nobody has the right to call themselves a "fighter" unless they are actually out there "fighting." Right? Otherwise, the word has no real meaning anymore.
We've got a lot of people on here who claim to either be fighters or at the least "fighters in waiting for the perfect moment." Yet I doubt they have done any actual fighting for the constitution.
I myself have spent time, money and effort actually doing something I believe helps "fight" for gun rights and the constitution. Even if as many here say, my "fighting" has been the wrong fighting, at least I am fighting. In comparsion, my critics here do little or nothing but post about "fighting."
Thanks it needed to be said, there are a lot of armchair commandos in this great country. I am planning a trip to our legislature to discuss open carry laws.
In red above. Then, sir, you have my respect and support. You will see no more nasty messages from me. Your actions are setting a good example for the keyboard commandos that infest this forum.
However, don't be fooled into thinking that any politician cares about the opinion of only one citizen. Unless you are Bill Gates.
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by nunn