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How come you challenge me to answer your questions until I do, and then you ignore mine?
quote:So, would you have me give up my FFL?
Of course, you know that if I do, I have to send ALL my bound books and 4473 forms to the BATF, where someone will be entering all that information into a database.
I don't make a lot of money with my license, but I do make some. Are you willing to send me a monthly check to replace my lost income?
Would you have me continue to buy and sell guns without a license, and put myself at risk of federal prosecution?
If I were licensed as a pharmacist, car dealer, plumber or electrician, you wouldn't have such a weed up your backside about it, but because I deal in guns, you have a problem.
I live in the world as it is, not as I wish it to be. Buying and selling guns for profit requires a license, so I have a license. I obey the law. I am also a peace officer and I enforce the law.
If you, through legal political activism, are able to get all the gun control laws repealed, so that no one needs a license to buy and sell, then I won't have one, and I will land on my feet and adapt. In any case, I will not do anything illegal.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Hey, Mr. Sovereign Citizen:
How come you challenge me to answer your questions until I do, and then you ignore mine?
quote:So, would you have me give up my FFL?
Of course, you know that if I do, I have to send ALL my bound books and 4473 forms to the BATF, where someone will be entering all that information into a database.
I don't make a lot of money with my license, but I do make some. Are you willing to send me a monthly check to replace my lost income?
Would you have me continue to buy and sell guns without a license, and put myself at risk of federal prosecution?
If I were licensed as a pharmacist, car dealer, plumber or electrician, you wouldn't have such a weed up your backside about it, but because I deal in guns, you have a problem.
I live in the world as it is, not as I wish it to be. Buying and selling guns for profit requires a license, so I have a license. I obey the law. I am also a peace officer and I enforce the law.
If you, through legal political activism, are able to get all the gun control laws repealed, so that no one needs a license to buy and sell, then I won't have one, and I will land on my feet and adapt. In any case, I will not do anything illegal.
You should never have accepted "privilege for financial gain", with privilege comes control over your reason and life.You become a citizen subject to the king.
Of course, you know that if I do, I have to send ALL my bound books and 4473 forms to the BATF, where someone will be entering all that information into a database.
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My point is well made you allowed yourself to become an agent of a unconstitutional law. You are part of the problem in America ,not the fix. Your own words make my point.
What is almost LOL funny is that if the radicals here would live what they post, they would not be posting because they would have all gotten arrested by now.
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What is almost LOL funny is that if the radicals here would live what they post, they would not be posting because they would have all gotten arrested by now.
[/quote]Compromise is the same today,yesterday,and at the time of the revolutionary war.Compromise with ulterior motives and double-speak. Compromise that hurts our country, indeed our world.Just look at the tangle of laws that bind the citizen to the point of incapacity.
From what I have read on this forum, at least to some here they do not compromise it is counter-intuitive and in stark contrast to the common wisdom put forth by our founding fathers, the truth is, moderation & compromise have a dark and sordid past when it comes to governing nations.There are times that compromise is folly.
We all have to decide where to draw a line, but all to often with arm chair or fair weather patriots the line is redrawn backward as they move away from freedom.
I'll take my leave for a time, we (radicals) have a couple trips planned to draw a line, to take a pro gun stance.
Compromise must be measured against the good and evil.
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
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What is almost LOL funny is that if the radicals here would live what they post, they would not be posting because they would have all gotten arrested by now.
Compromise is the same today,yesterday,and at the time of the revolutionary war.Compromise with ulterior motives and double-speak. Compromise that hurts our country, indeed our world.Just look at the tangle of laws that bind the citizen to the point of incapacity.
From what I have read on this forum, at least to some here they do not compromise it is counter-intuitive and in stark contrast to the common wisdom put forth by our founding fathers, the truth is, moderation & compromise have a dark and sordid past when it comes to governing nations.There are times that compromise is folly.
We all have to decide where to draw a line, but all to often with arm chair or fair weather patriots the line is redrawn backward as they move away from freedom.
I'll take my leave for a time, we (radicals) have a couple trips planned to draw a line, to take a pro gun stance.
Compromise must be measured against the good and evil.
You realize of course that you are lumping yourself in with the radical, extremists who do nothing but post complaints, criticisms, hate and anger? And while you have a more reasonable version of their attitudes, you also appear to be out in the real world tryiing to do some good. As compared to them just doing nothing but blowing hot air out of their pie hole.
In short, if everthing is correct regarding my observations, then you are too good to for them.
quote:Originally posted by Wyatt Earp
quote:We agreed to the sale and we shook hands, as I always do on such firearms deals. He got into his vehicle and left and I did the same.
Exactly how it should be done.
Absolutely perfect way to sell guns. Well, until the unknown fellow you sold the gun to turns out to have been an illegal alien, with a violent criminal record. Then he goes and robs the 7-11 you always get coffee at and kills the clerk who always brews you that coffee. Then somehow the gun is traced back to you and the question is asked "why did you sell a gun to an illegal alien?"
I donno. Maybe it is just me, but I had been that seller and the law was knocking on my door I believe, I would start saying goodby to my family. Course others here would just chase the law away from their door by either waving a copy of the US Constitution in their face. Or start arguing the finer points of the 2A. Or maybe haul out some of your firepower and use that to scare them away.
quote:You should never have accepted "privilege for financial gain",
You know about "shoulda, woulda, and coulda," don't you? Take all three in one hand, then poo in the other hand, and see which fills up faster.
Wife and I have applied to adopt children who are in state custody. Our application is on hold now until she recovers from her surgery, but we are still in line. We have had to jump through a lot of hoops that seemed absolutely ridiculous under the circumstances. The circumstances being that the state has more kids to place than there are adoptive homes. You might think that the state would be a little more interested in moving kids into permanent homes, but they have their rules, and we must comply if we want to participate. It "should" be different, but it isn't.
I buy and sell guns for profit. I handle transfers for Gunbroker buyers in my area. It is something I enjoy doing. The law says I need a license to do so, so I have one.
If I were to buy and sell cars for profit, I would need a license, and I would have one.
If I want to work on plumbing for others for pay, I need a license.
If I want to listen to people's problems and help them seek a solution for pay, I need a license.
Lots of occupations require licensing. Most licenses are granted at the state level, but the license to sell firearms is a federal license. Is that the problem? Would you have less of a problem if my license were granted by the state, but still required the same background checks and record keeping?
If NFA, GCA68, and the BATFE did not exist, (I wish) but the individual states all had similar controls in place, would that violate 2A? Or would it be allowed under 10A?
I have seen folk at the gun shows who stay away from the FFL tables, seeking out a FTF transaction. I have seen posts on here stating that convicted felons should be able to buy and possess firearms. I reckon everyone has an agenda, and a reason for doing/believing as they do, and a felony conviction is a tough thing to live with.
So, I take it that since I have a FFL, I don't have to worry about anyone like you trying to buy one of my guns? Well, that's OK with me.
Sadly. I understand what Nunn is saying. For a "free" Society, we sure have to have permission for a lot of things. Doesn't sound very free. In pretty much all instances, a license is nothing more than a revenue tool for whatever what every Government department you hand the money to. Some is in the believe that it helps protect us from dishonest business practices. Which it really doesn't. No more than a Drivers License defends against bad drivers. With one noted excetption, there is NO constitutional protection against these requirements. Now. Where FFL's are concerned, it can go either way. On one hand it's a business. On the other, it's a constitutionally garrenteed right to keep and bear arms. In order to that, most of us have to go buy them from someone. The FFL is as most government license's a permission slip to do business. Unfortunately, it is also a permission slip for the government to come into your business and rifle through your papers any damn time they want. You are theirs for the taking. But unless you have your own machine shop and enough skill to make your own guns, then we are stuck with what we have.
As I mentioned in another post on a different topic, we are not near as "Free" as we like to think we are. But it is a nice delusion if nothing else.
quote:Originally posted by 45long
Sadly. I understand what Nunn is saying. For a "free" Society, we sure have to have permission for a lot of things. Doesn't sound very free. In pretty much all instances, a license is nothing more than a revenue tool for whatever what every Government department you hand the money to. Some is in the believe that it helps protect us from dishonest business practices. Which it really doesn't. No more than a Drivers License defends against bad drivers. With one noted excetption, there is NO constitutional protection against these requirements. Now. Where FFL's are concerned, it can go either way. On one hand it's a business. On the other, it's a constitutionally garrenteed right to keep and bear arms. In order to that, most of us have to go buy them from someone. The FFL is as most government license's a permission slip to do business. Unfortunately, it is also a permission slip for the government to come into your business and rifle through your papers any damn time they want. You are theirs for the taking. But unless you have your own machine shop and enough skill to make your own guns, then we are stuck with what we have.
As I mentioned in another post on a different topic, we are not near as "Free" as we like to think we are. But it is a nice delusion if nothing else.
In my own small way I work for exposing the difference between true Freedom and "the illusion of Freedom." "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
Freedom starts with the principle of self-control. For example, in this society, people have the legal right guaranteed to self defense of oneself and those around him or her, this legal right to defend is a God given right that cannot be abrogated by Government.
Looking at the history of nations, the more fascist they become the more draconian laws are applied to restrict natural rights. When Hitler came to power he got 98% of the German vote, imagine that 98%.
The people loved him as they love Obama today.
Slowly Hitler started a process of curtailing human rights, and we all know where that ended up. Jews that did not resist in the beginning and slowly a downward spiral ended in mass deaths.They went along with the slow removal of human rights and soon discovered it had become to late.
In America we too are walking down the path to a complete loss of freedom only much much slower, they don't want us to jump out of the hot water so they turn it up ever so slowly. The patriot act, executive orders in the thousands without Congress's approval, etc.
Where am I going with this?
Any License that curtails freedom needlessly including an FFL dealer taking license is only a very small part of the whole problem facing America,keeping records is just the first step, but it is just as bad as the Jewish family in 1938 that saw nothing wrong and was proud to wear the star of David to be identified.
We all have a line in the sand that we do not want government to cross. I find the more Constitutionally educated a person becomes the tighter they hold the line. The more government license and privilege they have the line becomes more and more blurred.
quote:You know about "shoulda, woulda, and coulda," don't you? Take all three in one hand, then poo in the other hand, and see which fills up faster.
Wife and I have applied to adopt children who are in state custody. Our application is on hold now until she recovers from her surgery, but we are still in line. We have had to jump through a lot of hoops that seemed absolutely ridiculous under the circumstances. The circumstances being that the state has more kids to place than there are adoptive homes. You might think that the state would be a little more interested in moving kids into permanent homes, but they have their rules, and we must comply if we want to participate. It "should" be different, but it isn't.
I buy and sell guns for profit. I handle transfers for Gunbroker buyers in my area. It is something I enjoy doing. The law says I need a license to do so, so I have one.
If I were to buy and sell cars for profit, I would need a license, and I would have one.
If I want to work on plumbing for others for pay, I need a license.
If I want to listen to people's problems and help them seek a solution for pay, I need a license.
Lots of occupations require licensing. Most licenses are granted at the state level, but the license to sell firearms is a federal license. Is that the problem? Would you have less of a problem if my license were granted by the state, but still required the same background checks and record keeping?
If NFA, GCA68, and the BATFE did not exist, (I wish) but the individual states all had similar controls in place, would that violate 2A? Or would it be allowed under 10A?
I have seen folk at the gun shows who stay away from the FFL tables, seeking out a FTF transaction. I have seen posts on here stating that convicted felons should be able to buy and possess firearms. I reckon everyone has an agenda, and a reason for doing/believing as they do, and a felony conviction is a tough thing to live with.
So, I take it that since I have a FFL, I don't have to worry about anyone like you trying to buy one of my guns? Well, that's OK with me.
So, what would you have me to do at this point? Right now, all my 4473s and bound books are in my possession. They will remain in my possession as long as I am licensed. If for any reason, I am no longer licensed, those records have to be sent to the BATFE, where the information therein will probably be recorded in a computer database.
My intention is to remain licensed for as long as I live. After I am gone, if my wife, who is totally ignorant of the law, and is not responsible for compliance, sends the stuff in, OK. But, she probably won't know to do it, and therefore won't do it. By the time the feds realize that I didn't renew my license and didn't send in my records, and come to visit, she will likely have otherwise disposed of them.
So, what would you have me to do, in your perfect world?
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:You know about "shoulda, woulda, and coulda," don't you? Take all three in one hand, then poo in the other hand, and see which fills up faster.
Wife and I have applied to adopt children who are in state custody. Our application is on hold now until she recovers from her surgery, but we are still in line. We have had to jump through a lot of hoops that seemed absolutely ridiculous under the circumstances. The circumstances being that the state has more kids to place than there are adoptive homes. You might think that the state would be a little more interested in moving kids into permanent homes, but they have their rules, and we must comply if we want to participate. It "should" be different, but it isn't.
I buy and sell guns for profit. I handle transfers for Gunbroker buyers in my area. It is something I enjoy doing. The law says I need a license to do so, so I have one.
If I were to buy and sell cars for profit, I would need a license, and I would have one.
If I want to work on plumbing for others for pay, I need a license.
If I want to listen to people's problems and help them seek a solution for pay, I need a license.
Lots of occupations require licensing. Most licenses are granted at the state level, but the license to sell firearms is a federal license. Is that the problem? Would you have less of a problem if my license were granted by the state, but still required the same background checks and record keeping?
If NFA, GCA68, and the BATFE did not exist, (I wish) but the individual states all had similar controls in place, would that violate 2A? Or would it be allowed under 10A?
I have seen folk at the gun shows who stay away from the FFL tables, seeking out a FTF transaction. I have seen posts on here stating that convicted felons should be able to buy and possess firearms. I reckon everyone has an agenda, and a reason for doing/believing as they do, and a felony conviction is a tough thing to live with.
So, I take it that since I have a FFL, I don't have to worry about anyone like you trying to buy one of my guns? Well, that's OK with me.
So, what would you have me to do at this point? Right now, all my 4473s and bound books are in my possession. They will remain in my possession as long as I am licensed. If for any reason, I am no longer licensed, those records have to be sent to the BATFE, where the information therein will probably be recorded in a computer database.
My intention is to remain licensed for as long as I live. After I am gone, if my wife, who is totally ignorant of the law, and is not responsible for compliance, sends the stuff in, OK. But, she probably won't know to do it, and therefore won't do it. By the time the feds realize that I didn't renew my license and didn't send in my records, and come to visit, she will likely have otherwise disposed of them.
So, what would you have me to do, in your perfect world?
It's to late you have taken license and there is no recourse, your records will eventually become information in the government information system.. We are a stones throw from registration. The government is a raging beast with hidden fangs waiting to inject it's poison into every American one citizen at a time.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams
"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence. To secure peace, securely and happiness, the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good." --George Washington
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is an art form.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
I only hope your right Nunn. And I hope that the call in checks aren't entered into a data base, and your wife remembers to throw them away (burn them)before the BATF and FBI get their clutches on them. Many do not understand that unhindered government destroys rights, and with the make up of our Congress moving to the left ever so slowly. ................. have a good night. I believe limited government is a good government, some on this site do not.
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
I only hope your right Nunn. And I hope that the call in checks aren't entered into a data base, and your wife remembers to throw them away (burn them)before the BATF and FBI get their clutches on them. Many do not understand that unhindered government destroys rights, and with the make up of our Congress moving to the left ever so slowly. ................. have a good night. I believe limited government is a good government, some on this site do not.
That's it, that's all you've got?
Pathetic.
Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is an art form.
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
Did you ever hear of the statement that ignorance is bliss, he was right. Just look at Obamas election and wonder how low America has fallen. As Far as Jefferson I have read his writings, and hamiltons, and madisons, and quite a few others have you?
Which arm of government do you work for?ome thoughts for you to ponder.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
Did you ever hear of the statement that ignorance is bliss, he was right. Just look at Obamas election and wonder how low America has fallen. As Far as Jefferson I have read his writings, and hamiltons, and madisons, and quite a few others have you?
Which arm of government do you work for?ome thoughts for you to ponder.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
You were saying?
Do you ever post anything other than trash?
Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is an art form.
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
Did you ever hear of the statement that ignorance is bliss, he was right. Just look at Obamas election and wonder how low America has fallen. As Far as Jefferson I have read his writings, and hamiltons, and madisons, and quite a few others have you?
Which arm of government do you work for?ome thoughts for you to ponder.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
You were saying?
Do you ever post anything other than trash?
So you are a government worker?
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
Did you ever hear of the statement that ignorance is bliss, he was right. Just look at Obamas election and wonder how low America has fallen. As Far as Jefferson I have read his writings, and hamiltons, and madisons, and quite a few others have you?
Which arm of government do you work for?ome thoughts for you to ponder.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
You were saying?
Do you ever post anything other than trash?
So you are a government worker?
Jefferson is NOT TRASH ,FOOL!
Good God you are ignorant!
Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is an art form.
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
Did you ever hear of the statement that ignorance is bliss, he was right. Just look at Obamas election and wonder how low America has fallen. As Far as Jefferson I have read his writings, and hamiltons, and madisons, and quite a few others have you?
Which arm of government do you work for?ome thoughts for you to ponder.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
You were saying?
Do you ever post anything other than trash?
So you are a government worker?
Jefferson is NOT TRASH ,FOOL!
Good God you are ignorant!
That the best you can do?
I WOULD DO NO GOOD WITH YOU!
You are probably on the government payroll in one form or another.
have a good night.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
Did you ever hear of the statement that ignorance is bliss, he was right. Just look at Obamas election and wonder how low America has fallen. As Far as Jefferson I have read his writings, and hamiltons, and madisons, and quite a few others have you?
Which arm of government do you work for?ome thoughts for you to ponder.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
You were saying?
Do you ever post anything other than trash?
So you are a government worker?
Jefferson is NOT TRASH ,FOOL!
Good God you are ignorant!
That the best you can do?
I WOULD DO NO GOOD WITH YOU!
You are probably on the government payroll in one form or another.
have a good night.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
Of course, government employee is all you've got.
Pretty sad, but sad would be an improvement over your life.
Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is an art form.
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Exactly how it should be done.
How come you challenge me to answer your questions until I do, and then you ignore mine?
quote:So, would you have me give up my FFL?
Of course, you know that if I do, I have to send ALL my bound books and 4473 forms to the BATF, where someone will be entering all that information into a database.
I don't make a lot of money with my license, but I do make some. Are you willing to send me a monthly check to replace my lost income?
Would you have me continue to buy and sell guns without a license, and put myself at risk of federal prosecution?
If I were licensed as a pharmacist, car dealer, plumber or electrician, you wouldn't have such a weed up your backside about it, but because I deal in guns, you have a problem.
I live in the world as it is, not as I wish it to be. Buying and selling guns for profit requires a license, so I have a license. I obey the law. I am also a peace officer and I enforce the law.
If you, through legal political activism, are able to get all the gun control laws repealed, so that no one needs a license to buy and sell, then I won't have one, and I will land on my feet and adapt. In any case, I will not do anything illegal.
Hey, Mr. Sovereign Citizen:
How come you challenge me to answer your questions until I do, and then you ignore mine?
quote:So, would you have me give up my FFL?
Of course, you know that if I do, I have to send ALL my bound books and 4473 forms to the BATF, where someone will be entering all that information into a database.
I don't make a lot of money with my license, but I do make some. Are you willing to send me a monthly check to replace my lost income?
Would you have me continue to buy and sell guns without a license, and put myself at risk of federal prosecution?
If I were licensed as a pharmacist, car dealer, plumber or electrician, you wouldn't have such a weed up your backside about it, but because I deal in guns, you have a problem.
I live in the world as it is, not as I wish it to be. Buying and selling guns for profit requires a license, so I have a license. I obey the law. I am also a peace officer and I enforce the law.
If you, through legal political activism, are able to get all the gun control laws repealed, so that no one needs a license to buy and sell, then I won't have one, and I will land on my feet and adapt. In any case, I will not do anything illegal.
You should never have accepted "privilege for financial gain", with privilege comes control over your reason and life.You become a citizen subject to the king.
Of course, you know that if I do, I have to send ALL my bound books and 4473 forms to the BATF, where someone will be entering all that information into a database.
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My point is well made you allowed yourself to become an agent of a unconstitutional law. You are part of the problem in America ,not the fix. Your own words make my point.
What is almost LOL funny is that if the radicals here would live what they post, they would not be posting because they would have all gotten arrested by now.
[/quote]Compromise is the same today,yesterday,and at the time of the revolutionary war.Compromise with ulterior motives and double-speak. Compromise that hurts our country, indeed our world.Just look at the tangle of laws that bind the citizen to the point of incapacity.
From what I have read on this forum, at least to some here they do not compromise it is counter-intuitive and in stark contrast to the common wisdom put forth by our founding fathers, the truth is, moderation & compromise have a dark and sordid past when it comes to governing nations.There are times that compromise is folly.
We all have to decide where to draw a line, but all to often with arm chair or fair weather patriots the line is redrawn backward as they move away from freedom.
I'll take my leave for a time, we (radicals) have a couple trips planned to draw a line, to take a pro gun stance.
Compromise must be measured against the good and evil.
action speaks louder than words.
http://gunowners.org/alertscat.htm
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What is almost LOL funny is that if the radicals here would live what they post, they would not be posting because they would have all gotten arrested by now.
Compromise is the same today,yesterday,and at the time of the revolutionary war.Compromise with ulterior motives and double-speak. Compromise that hurts our country, indeed our world.Just look at the tangle of laws that bind the citizen to the point of incapacity.
From what I have read on this forum, at least to some here they do not compromise it is counter-intuitive and in stark contrast to the common wisdom put forth by our founding fathers, the truth is, moderation & compromise have a dark and sordid past when it comes to governing nations.There are times that compromise is folly.
We all have to decide where to draw a line, but all to often with arm chair or fair weather patriots the line is redrawn backward as they move away from freedom.
I'll take my leave for a time, we (radicals) have a couple trips planned to draw a line, to take a pro gun stance.
Compromise must be measured against the good and evil.
action speaks louder than words.
http://gunowners.org/alertscat.htm
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You realize of course that you are lumping yourself in with the radical, extremists who do nothing but post complaints, criticisms, hate and anger? And while you have a more reasonable version of their attitudes, you also appear to be out in the real world tryiing to do some good. As compared to them just doing nothing but blowing hot air out of their pie hole.
In short, if everthing is correct regarding my observations, then you are too good to for them.
quote:We agreed to the sale and we shook hands, as I always do on such firearms deals. He got into his vehicle and left and I did the same.
Exactly how it should be done.
Absolutely perfect way to sell guns. Well, until the unknown fellow you sold the gun to turns out to have been an illegal alien, with a violent criminal record. Then he goes and robs the 7-11 you always get coffee at and kills the clerk who always brews you that coffee. Then somehow the gun is traced back to you and the question is asked "why did you sell a gun to an illegal alien?"
I donno. Maybe it is just me, but I had been that seller and the law was knocking on my door I believe, I would start saying goodby to my family. Course others here would just chase the law away from their door by either waving a copy of the US Constitution in their face. Or start arguing the finer points of the 2A. Or maybe haul out some of your firepower and use that to scare them away.
I guess there are ways to avoid going to prison.
You know about "shoulda, woulda, and coulda," don't you? Take all three in one hand, then poo in the other hand, and see which fills up faster.
Wife and I have applied to adopt children who are in state custody. Our application is on hold now until she recovers from her surgery, but we are still in line. We have had to jump through a lot of hoops that seemed absolutely ridiculous under the circumstances. The circumstances being that the state has more kids to place than there are adoptive homes. You might think that the state would be a little more interested in moving kids into permanent homes, but they have their rules, and we must comply if we want to participate. It "should" be different, but it isn't.
I buy and sell guns for profit. I handle transfers for Gunbroker buyers in my area. It is something I enjoy doing. The law says I need a license to do so, so I have one.
If I were to buy and sell cars for profit, I would need a license, and I would have one.
If I want to work on plumbing for others for pay, I need a license.
If I want to listen to people's problems and help them seek a solution for pay, I need a license.
Lots of occupations require licensing. Most licenses are granted at the state level, but the license to sell firearms is a federal license. Is that the problem? Would you have less of a problem if my license were granted by the state, but still required the same background checks and record keeping?
If NFA, GCA68, and the BATFE did not exist, (I wish) but the individual states all had similar controls in place, would that violate 2A? Or would it be allowed under 10A?
I have seen folk at the gun shows who stay away from the FFL tables, seeking out a FTF transaction. I have seen posts on here stating that convicted felons should be able to buy and possess firearms. I reckon everyone has an agenda, and a reason for doing/believing as they do, and a felony conviction is a tough thing to live with.
So, I take it that since I have a FFL, I don't have to worry about anyone like you trying to buy one of my guns? Well, that's OK with me.
As I mentioned in another post on a different topic, we are not near as "Free" as we like to think we are. But it is a nice delusion if nothing else.
Sadly. I understand what Nunn is saying. For a "free" Society, we sure have to have permission for a lot of things. Doesn't sound very free. In pretty much all instances, a license is nothing more than a revenue tool for whatever what every Government department you hand the money to. Some is in the believe that it helps protect us from dishonest business practices. Which it really doesn't. No more than a Drivers License defends against bad drivers. With one noted excetption, there is NO constitutional protection against these requirements. Now. Where FFL's are concerned, it can go either way. On one hand it's a business. On the other, it's a constitutionally garrenteed right to keep and bear arms. In order to that, most of us have to go buy them from someone. The FFL is as most government license's a permission slip to do business. Unfortunately, it is also a permission slip for the government to come into your business and rifle through your papers any damn time they want. You are theirs for the taking. But unless you have your own machine shop and enough skill to make your own guns, then we are stuck with what we have.
As I mentioned in another post on a different topic, we are not near as "Free" as we like to think we are. But it is a nice delusion if nothing else.
In my own small way I work for exposing the difference between true Freedom and "the illusion of Freedom." "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
Freedom starts with the principle of self-control. For example, in this society, people have the legal right guaranteed to self defense of oneself and those around him or her, this legal right to defend is a God given right that cannot be abrogated by Government.
Looking at the history of nations, the more fascist they become the more draconian laws are applied to restrict natural rights. When Hitler came to power he got 98% of the German vote, imagine that 98%.
The people loved him as they love Obama today.
Slowly Hitler started a process of curtailing human rights, and we all know where that ended up. Jews that did not resist in the beginning and slowly a downward spiral ended in mass deaths.They went along with the slow removal of human rights and soon discovered it had become to late.
In America we too are walking down the path to a complete loss of freedom only much much slower, they don't want us to jump out of the hot water so they turn it up ever so slowly. The patriot act, executive orders in the thousands without Congress's approval, etc.
Where am I going with this?
Any License that curtails freedom needlessly including an FFL dealer taking license is only a very small part of the whole problem facing America,keeping records is just the first step, but it is just as bad as the Jewish family in 1938 that saw nothing wrong and was proud to wear the star of David to be identified.
We all have a line in the sand that we do not want government to cross. I find the more Constitutionally educated a person becomes the tighter they hold the line. The more government license and privilege they have the line becomes more and more blurred.
Wife and I have applied to adopt children who are in state custody. Our application is on hold now until she recovers from her surgery, but we are still in line. We have had to jump through a lot of hoops that seemed absolutely ridiculous under the circumstances. The circumstances being that the state has more kids to place than there are adoptive homes. You might think that the state would be a little more interested in moving kids into permanent homes, but they have their rules, and we must comply if we want to participate. It "should" be different, but it isn't.
I buy and sell guns for profit. I handle transfers for Gunbroker buyers in my area. It is something I enjoy doing. The law says I need a license to do so, so I have one.
If I were to buy and sell cars for profit, I would need a license, and I would have one.
If I want to work on plumbing for others for pay, I need a license.
If I want to listen to people's problems and help them seek a solution for pay, I need a license.
Lots of occupations require licensing. Most licenses are granted at the state level, but the license to sell firearms is a federal license. Is that the problem? Would you have less of a problem if my license were granted by the state, but still required the same background checks and record keeping?
If NFA, GCA68, and the BATFE did not exist, (I wish) but the individual states all had similar controls in place, would that violate 2A? Or would it be allowed under 10A?
I have seen folk at the gun shows who stay away from the FFL tables, seeking out a FTF transaction. I have seen posts on here stating that convicted felons should be able to buy and possess firearms. I reckon everyone has an agenda, and a reason for doing/believing as they do, and a felony conviction is a tough thing to live with.
So, I take it that since I have a FFL, I don't have to worry about anyone like you trying to buy one of my guns? Well, that's OK with me.
So, what would you have me to do at this point? Right now, all my 4473s and bound books are in my possession. They will remain in my possession as long as I am licensed. If for any reason, I am no longer licensed, those records have to be sent to the BATFE, where the information therein will probably be recorded in a computer database.
My intention is to remain licensed for as long as I live. After I am gone, if my wife, who is totally ignorant of the law, and is not responsible for compliance, sends the stuff in, OK. But, she probably won't know to do it, and therefore won't do it. By the time the feds realize that I didn't renew my license and didn't send in my records, and come to visit, she will likely have otherwise disposed of them.
So, what would you have me to do, in your perfect world?
quote:You know about "shoulda, woulda, and coulda," don't you? Take all three in one hand, then poo in the other hand, and see which fills up faster.
Wife and I have applied to adopt children who are in state custody. Our application is on hold now until she recovers from her surgery, but we are still in line. We have had to jump through a lot of hoops that seemed absolutely ridiculous under the circumstances. The circumstances being that the state has more kids to place than there are adoptive homes. You might think that the state would be a little more interested in moving kids into permanent homes, but they have their rules, and we must comply if we want to participate. It "should" be different, but it isn't.
I buy and sell guns for profit. I handle transfers for Gunbroker buyers in my area. It is something I enjoy doing. The law says I need a license to do so, so I have one.
If I were to buy and sell cars for profit, I would need a license, and I would have one.
If I want to work on plumbing for others for pay, I need a license.
If I want to listen to people's problems and help them seek a solution for pay, I need a license.
Lots of occupations require licensing. Most licenses are granted at the state level, but the license to sell firearms is a federal license. Is that the problem? Would you have less of a problem if my license were granted by the state, but still required the same background checks and record keeping?
If NFA, GCA68, and the BATFE did not exist, (I wish) but the individual states all had similar controls in place, would that violate 2A? Or would it be allowed under 10A?
I have seen folk at the gun shows who stay away from the FFL tables, seeking out a FTF transaction. I have seen posts on here stating that convicted felons should be able to buy and possess firearms. I reckon everyone has an agenda, and a reason for doing/believing as they do, and a felony conviction is a tough thing to live with.
So, I take it that since I have a FFL, I don't have to worry about anyone like you trying to buy one of my guns? Well, that's OK with me.
So, what would you have me to do at this point? Right now, all my 4473s and bound books are in my possession. They will remain in my possession as long as I am licensed. If for any reason, I am no longer licensed, those records have to be sent to the BATFE, where the information therein will probably be recorded in a computer database.
My intention is to remain licensed for as long as I live. After I am gone, if my wife, who is totally ignorant of the law, and is not responsible for compliance, sends the stuff in, OK. But, she probably won't know to do it, and therefore won't do it. By the time the feds realize that I didn't renew my license and didn't send in my records, and come to visit, she will likely have otherwise disposed of them.
So, what would you have me to do, in your perfect world?
It's to late you have taken license and there is no recourse, your records will eventually become information in the government information system.. We are a stones throw from registration. The government is a raging beast with hidden fangs waiting to inject it's poison into every American one citizen at a time.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams
"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence. To secure peace, securely and happiness, the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good." --George Washington
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
I only hope your right Nunn. And I hope that the call in checks aren't entered into a data base, and your wife remembers to throw them away (burn them)before the BATF and FBI get their clutches on them. Many do not understand that unhindered government destroys rights, and with the make up of our Congress moving to the left ever so slowly. ................. have a good night. I believe limited government is a good government, some on this site do not.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
I only hope your right Nunn. And I hope that the call in checks aren't entered into a data base, and your wife remembers to throw them away (burn them)before the BATF and FBI get their clutches on them. Many do not understand that unhindered government destroys rights, and with the make up of our Congress moving to the left ever so slowly. ................. have a good night. I believe limited government is a good government, some on this site do not.
That's it, that's all you've got?
Pathetic.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
Did you ever hear of the statement that ignorance is bliss, he was right. Just look at Obamas election and wonder how low America has fallen. As Far as Jefferson I have read his writings, and hamiltons, and madisons, and quite a few others have you?
Which arm of government do you work for?ome thoughts for you to ponder.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
You were saying?
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
Did you ever hear of the statement that ignorance is bliss, he was right. Just look at Obamas election and wonder how low America has fallen. As Far as Jefferson I have read his writings, and hamiltons, and madisons, and quite a few others have you?
Which arm of government do you work for?ome thoughts for you to ponder.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
You were saying?
Do you ever post anything other than trash?
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
Did you ever hear of the statement that ignorance is bliss, he was right. Just look at Obamas election and wonder how low America has fallen. As Far as Jefferson I have read his writings, and hamiltons, and madisons, and quite a few others have you?
Which arm of government do you work for?ome thoughts for you to ponder.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
You were saying?
Do you ever post anything other than trash?
So you are a government worker?
Jefferson is NOT TRASH ,FOOL!
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
Did you ever hear of the statement that ignorance is bliss, he was right. Just look at Obamas election and wonder how low America has fallen. As Far as Jefferson I have read his writings, and hamiltons, and madisons, and quite a few others have you?
Which arm of government do you work for?ome thoughts for you to ponder.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
You were saying?
Do you ever post anything other than trash?
So you are a government worker?
Jefferson is NOT TRASH ,FOOL!
Good God you are ignorant!
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
Did you ever hear of the statement that ignorance is bliss, he was right. Just look at Obamas election and wonder how low America has fallen. As Far as Jefferson I have read his writings, and hamiltons, and madisons, and quite a few others have you?
Which arm of government do you work for?ome thoughts for you to ponder.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
You were saying?
Do you ever post anything other than trash?
So you are a government worker?
Jefferson is NOT TRASH ,FOOL!
Good God you are ignorant!
That the best you can do?
I WOULD DO NO GOOD WITH YOU!
You are probably on the government payroll in one form or another.
have a good night.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by sovereignman
quote:Originally posted by dlrjj
quote:Originally posted by nunn
You no read so good. Unless forced to give it up, I will keep my license as long as I live. My wife does not participate in my business and has no idea what to do. She would probably look at those boxes of paperwork and figure they are trash, and burn them or throw them away.
So, the BATFE will send poor ol' dead Dave a renewal notice, and it will also be thrown out. After a time, the BATFE will wonder why I gave up my license and didn't send in my records as required. They may eventually send someone out, and with any luck, they will find four bare walls.
"Ma'am, you were supposed to..."
"Nope. Maybe he was supposed to do something, but I had no license, and I knew nothing about this business. Get off my place and have a nice day."
So, if it is indeed "to (sic) late," WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO? That makes at least three times I have asked.
Are you the sort of feller who would rather curse the darkness, or light a candle?
No David, he is the sort of fellow who tilts at windmills, yet does not have the least clue where the windmills exist.
Just another charter member of the Flat Earth Society.
His type distort words and terms and pull concepts out of context in order to advance an agenda, while contending "they" are the one true interpreters of the Constitution.
I'd suggest they check Jefferson's work a bit more closely before they claim all other's are ignorant and uneducated.
Did you ever hear of the statement that ignorance is bliss, he was right. Just look at Obamas election and wonder how low America has fallen. As Far as Jefferson I have read his writings, and hamiltons, and madisons, and quite a few others have you?
Which arm of government do you work for?ome thoughts for you to ponder.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
You were saying?
Do you ever post anything other than trash?
So you are a government worker?
Jefferson is NOT TRASH ,FOOL!
Good God you are ignorant!
That the best you can do?
I WOULD DO NO GOOD WITH YOU!
You are probably on the government payroll in one form or another.
have a good night.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353
Of course, government employee is all you've got.
Pretty sad, but sad would be an improvement over your life.
1. I wanted an answer from the SC as to what he would have me do now. I asked multiple times and he still won't answer. I reckon he won't.
2. I actually found it entertaining.
But alas, rules are rules, so this is locked. Some intrepid soul may start another thread on a similar topic.
Please remember, even if a feller is a fool, let him prove himself to be one! It isn't OK to call him one!