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OK, guys. Quit calling them "weapons".
gunphreak
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You guys seriously need to reevaluate your thinking about this one. Your firearm is a gun, not a weapon. A weapon has a negative intonation put in it, and shows certain malice; something the anti's absolutely love. As long as they can insert buzzwords into every last thing to drive their antigun beliefs down our throats, they will. What absolutely puts a 142 tooth smile to their faces is when the pro-gun community uses their buzzwords against themselves, without realizing it.
And don't call them "assault weapons", either. They are only that if they are used to do evil. Call them "Homeland Defense Rifles" or Semi-autos or anything besides an "assault weapon", because they are neither for the purpose of assault, nor are they objects that are inherently used for evil purposes.
The W word in this house is as bad a word as the F word is, unless used properly. ex. The props used in Hollywood are weapons of mass stupidity. The liberal media has unleashed upon us weapons to destroy our rights. (Note: neither of these uses means an actual gun, perhaps a gun that plays one on TV.) Nothing like using their own stuff against them.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Remember how many seats were lost after AWB passage? Vae victis!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
And don't call them "assault weapons", either. They are only that if they are used to do evil. Call them "Homeland Defense Rifles" or Semi-autos or anything besides an "assault weapon", because they are neither for the purpose of assault, nor are they objects that are inherently used for evil purposes.
The W word in this house is as bad a word as the F word is, unless used properly. ex. The props used in Hollywood are weapons of mass stupidity. The liberal media has unleashed upon us weapons to destroy our rights. (Note: neither of these uses means an actual gun, perhaps a gun that plays one on TV.) Nothing like using their own stuff against them.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Remember how many seats were lost after AWB passage? Vae victis!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
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I love it![8D]
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
I agree that calling them weapons does have a negative connotation, which is why I refer you to the above statement.
John
A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
When i was in the army we did NOT have guns we had weapons or rifles. They were assault rifles, although the military, select fire version. But the same thing as my pre ban m4 carbine minus a few parts in the lower.
Also I flat refuse to bend to those friggin gun haters by changing my lingo regarding a description OR name of my particular rifle.They can either get over the proper naming of my weapons or quit listening. Like they give a crap what any of us have to say anyway, we can beat them over the head with facts and all we get is tired. I choose to spend my time and energy(regarding arguing with anti's) buying more stuff I want,rifles,ammo etc.
GOOD point.
"meet me in Margaritaville"
It was sort of amusing that they had to warn people to be sure that their gun was, in fact, a S&W and not just 38 S&W caliber.
Semper Fi
Remember Ruby Ridge.
Experience is the best teacher and usually charges accordingly.
It is correct to refer to military arms as "weapons". Those who use them do not use them for defense. They are offensive tools, and not generally associated with negativity...
...but when you are not in the service of the US or in Law Enforcement of any sort, those devices serve as tools of self-preservation, never for offensive assault, even against those who do evil. At least if that is not your method of thinking, it should be.
I'm not trying to flame you, Armalite. I believe you have a great deal of insight to the plight of our country. But no one is going to question the weapons of warfare wielded by ministers of death in war, but they DO, constantly question citizens' right to wield arms in their own defense, and we cannot aid them in their task.
BTW: Homeland Defense Rifle is HIGHLY politically incorrect. The only politically correct rifle is NONE. And I am positive they WILL take note, and try to upend it at its source by downplaying it, like they always do. That fantasyland they are living in is one they are trying to impose on those of us who are not willing to associate it with the real world.
And so what about all those out there that have no stand on firearms? Do we need them swayed against us? No. They become our enemies when they do that, and we will have enough of those, anyway, without making more. Simple fact is, a person who believes guns are the best way of self-preservation are ones who will stay that way for life. Those who believe that guns are evil are easily shown, perhaps at heavy cost, at some point that they were wrong, and join the side of the right (though some of them are too stupid to ever learn this lesson).
Are we not learning anything from our enemies???
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Remember how many seats were lost after AWB passage? Vae victis!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
I agree with most of your post. I am just at the point that I refuse to give anymore to those pukes. I will call a weapon what I choose and they will think what they want. I do think you remember the last name of sarah brady's org. now the newest trend is to remove the word "control" . a spade is a spade, and control is control. By simply switching names they have attempted to hide an agenda. Therefore they have a certain amount of dishonesty in their agenda. I know, I know, We realized that a long time ago. But my point is, I have drawn a line in the sand in my mind. I read alot of posts condeming the NRA because of "giving too much" to the anti's. It would seem that the topic of our discussion is exactly that, giving again. Now we feel we need to change our names and watch our tongues. I respect your opinions and I do agree with your posts the majority of the time. I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree on this one man. I say to hell with the anti's, I ain't changing anymore OR anything. If they don't like it then they can kiss my @ss.The gloves come off from now on, regarding the anti's[;)]
quote: gunphreak,
I agree with most of your post. I am just at the point that I refuse to give anymore to those pukes. I will call a weapon what I choose and they will think what they want. I do
Had this discussion over on General some time ago.Some of the most intelligent over there made some good points concerning this 'weapon' issue...and I dropped the term on the board.
However....I must agree with ArmaliteA4 here....I am dam**** tired of catering to garbage anti-gunners.Let them bring it on.
If,in your own mind,you cannot think of your .38 Special model 10 as a weapon..you danged sure cannot use it effectively when you may need it.....
Mark's back..knew I wasn'r gonna get away with it !!![:D][:(]
quote:TITLE II, which includes those National Firearms Act items such as machineguns and destructive devices which are held to have either limited or no specific sporting purpose and are plainly indentified in the GCA as weapons.
The real problem with all this,is,of course....These WEAPONS are the only firarms covered under the Second Amendment.......Like it or not.
Those willing to argue this point refuse to admit it..because it is entirely too revealing of the real issue involved....
And by our own stubbornness, we slit our own throats.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Remember how many seats were lost after AWB passage? Vae victis!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Thank God this one wasn't given the made up term of "assault weapon", either. But at the same time, it was once a "weapon of war" used by our Armed Forces. Bottom line, to truly qualify as a weapon, it must be used as an offensive device on some level, realistically, (not legally), unless, of course, you're a liberal or a socialist (mostly these people are one in the same), to which ALL firearms are weapons of some sort. The VPC is an excellent reference to this adage.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Remember how many seats were lost after AWB passage? Vae victis!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Get used to it.
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
The Second Amendment is about "Arms", not weapons. But, in the face of tyranny or foreign invasion, those arms become weapons as soon as they are taken up for the cause of fighting for freedom.
The Second Amendment's guarantee is our only guarantee for freedom.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Remember how many seats were lost after AWB passage? Vae victis!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Regardless of PC crap, don't say weapon when you mean gun. Pretty simple.
Semper Fi
Remember Ruby Ridge.
Experience is the best teacher and usually charges accordingly.
Pretty good point.
The point I try to make...ALWAYS..is that guns exist yet in citizens hands because of the WEAPONS in citizens hands..and their willingness to use them if pushed too far...
"Sporting use", plinking,bullseye shooting..all good,clean fun.One OUGHT to keep in mind the ultimate use of fire arms,as directed by the Founders,tho....
We argue over a term..and the main point is that the "anti's"....might be offended.Screw them....MOLON LABE !!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by ArmaliteA4
I guess I will have to be the odd one here....
When i was in the army we did NOT have guns we had weapons or rifles. They were assault rifles, although the military, select fire version. But the same thing as my pre ban m4 carbine minus a few parts in the lower.
Also I flat refuse to bend to those friggin gun haters by changing my lingo regarding a description OR name of my particular rifle.They can either get over the proper naming of my weapons or quit listening. Like they give a crap what any of us have to say anyway, we can beat them over the head with facts and all we get is tired. I choose to spend my time and energy(regarding arguing with anti's) buying more stuff I want,rifles,ammo etc.
speed is what kills
But for the types that have to argue with a tree...........
Firearm: a small arms weapon from which a projectile is fired by gunpowder.
weapon: any instument or device for attack or defence in a fight.
gun:a metallic tube with a stock or carriage and attachments, from which missiles are shot by the force of an explosive.
And finally,
assault: a violent attack:onslaught.2.Mil. the stage of close combat in an attack
rifle: a shoulder firearm with spiral grooves in the inner surface of the gun barrel to give the bullet a rotary motion and thus render its flight more accurate.
Now,that came from a Websters dictionary. Sounds like a gun is a rifle, an assault rifle is a gun, etc. etc.
Now can we focus on beating our opponets rather than giving opinions on what a weapon,gun,assault rifle should be called?[;)]
The term "assault weapon" used to be a SELECT-FIRE paramilitary rifle or pistol. Because we stupidly allowed them to redefine this definition to encompass firearms that are not of this nature, and embraced it as correct, we've slit our own throats.
The real enemy here is POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, not just the Anti-gunners. You can't slay the dragon while sucking from its teat, gentlemen.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Remember how many seats were lost after AWB passage? Vae victis!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?
MOLON LABE!I was not in Vietnam but I support
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
1. A .38 revolver (too cheap) "Saturday Night Special".
2. A .32 handgun (Too small) "Pocket Rocket".
3. A .44 Magnum (Too powerful) "Hand Cannon".
4. An antique muzzle loader handgun (too old) "Lacks 'smart gun' technology".
5. Any Glock (too deadly) "Cop killer".
6. An Uzi (too military looking) "Assault weapon".
Do we get it, yet?
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Remember how many seats were lost after AWB passage? Vae victis!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
I don't think semantics will change a single thing they do,say or think.It won't. They know one "truth"....
guns are bad..we don't need them in our society.
and they will not stop until they are gone.
we can either fight together against them,or amongst ourselves over wording.
i choose to fight them since they are MY real enemy.[;)]
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
Extremists in any group get pushed aside and lose their societal significance unless they have tremendous power or are willing to take strong, socially abhorrent actions. Thus, lets show the middle of the road good hearted Americans that we are the good guys and not the rambo squad. 911 turned around a lot of people's thinking on self defense issues, so let's make the most of this momemntum before people forget that defense is both a right and a duty, and is not a subversive deviant concept.
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I would think you would agree with this statement.....
"Instead of worrying about names, we should spend our time educating and introducing new shooters to our sport/hobby. After that is accomplished, wording will fall to the wayside."
I agree we shoud redouble our efforts and keep the momentum going 100%...
It is a COMPLETE waste of time complaining about wording. Proper education and introduction is the key.
Let the anti's spend THEIR time on trivial crap like wording.We have a helluva lot more important things to do than try to use words like wallpaper.I don't change my wallpaper that often, and I won't change wording to appease the masses.I WILL talk to people and help the along in learning what a weapon is really all about.
Now that is something I would think we can agree on...[;)]
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
I am surprised some,,but I guess we will just have to disagree on this one bro.[;)]
I do appreciate your input quite a bit,it presents a different angle from time to time and provokes thought.[:D]
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
quote:ArmaliteA4: If all my friends and I agreed on everything I would start to get worried that one of us was not thinking for themselves. It is ok for us to disagree and we are still soldiers on the same side of the battlefield facing the same enemy.
Amen.
That is true gospel....It is indeed gratifing to see the 3 % that form the backbone of America disagree..yet stand back-to-back to repulse the common enemy....
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
Ever notice how the NRA scoffs at the ignorance of what they call the "so-called" Assault weapon ban? They have figured it out. I'm not saying this is the greatest reference to the 'good guys', but they know full well, we are being demonized by wolves in sheeps' clothing, and that, unless those undecided members of our country begin to understand the significance of their rights, especially the one to Keep and Bear Arms, you're not going to get them to the range, I guaran-damn-tee it. With them looking at you saying, "Oh, there goes gunphreak the gun nut.", they will not listen to you.
I'm with you, Armalite, on exactly one thing, "F**k the Anti-gunners." They will not change their stripes, I have no doubt about that. They respond, however, to two things very well.
1. When they learn that the bulk of the American people are not being suckered into believing their warped point of view. (Proof of this is their desperate attempts to mislead people into believing it)
2. When they have been challenged, by an even more eloquent speaker, and have been found to be a fraud (this happens more often than most realize). A key sign to this is when they quit talking people in circles, trying to confuse all those listening.
But you must understand, my target audience is NOT the antis. It is the Undecided. Here is where the soft war begins. The mind is changed FIRST. Then, take them to the range, so that their actions follow through with the mind. Not vice versa...
...unless, of course, we WANT to fight a hard war. This is when the talk is over. When our lives go on the line, when we may have to destroy, or be destroyed by our enemies, when we may no longer sleep in warm beds at night, when we lose EVERYTHING we have ever had to the PTB, when our children are sacrificed in the name of freedom, when nothing matters but success.... If this suicidal path is the one we pray for, then change nothing, and it shall be. Let the antis win the hearts and minds of the undecided. Let the number of our enemies multiply at an exponential rate.
Think hard on this one. No where else in the world are there people holding on to our rights as hard as we are, and having liars and manipulators abroad deceiving so many of us into sacrificing those rights in the name of freedom. The outcome in America will be a first in world history, because the fight to disarm us is nothing like it was in the times of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, or Lenin. Not like UK or Australia, either. Should they win, it will be the longest-fought battle to disarm in all world history. We don't want to see this, I guarantee it.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Remember how many seats were lost after AWB passage? Vae victis!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
I hear alot of talk about war and revolution from the armchair generals...
When it comes down to it..the gun owners in NY and in 2000, Kalifornia rolled over like a cheap date when the state came in to get their assault rifles.So much for the "great war" and all that "revolutionary" talk..
It would be about the same if it went nationwide, because you have to ask yourself 1 question.
" Who is going to go first?" Meaning, who is going to stand and fight while theirneighbors,media and fellow countymen watch in the saftey of their homes??
Don't hold your breath gentlemen, this county probably could not stand another rev. war.. I don'tthink all 5000 or so REAL fighters in this country would last long when the call went down for the government to squash the rebellion.
Besides, next time you are with your fellow gun owners, look around and think to yourself" who WOULD actually stand here?" "who is in good enough condition both physically and mentally for a protracted guerilla fight?" Answer those question honestly and I'll bet you won't see much hope in the big picture.