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  • JerGunJerGun Member Posts: 105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Fox, I agree with that post 100%.

    Alot of (ignorant) people I talked to about the AWB had some pretty crazy notions about what that "sunset" meant.

    People were coming up to me asking if I was going to run out and buy a full auto assault rifle when the sunset took effect.....silliness.

    It is misconceptions like this that keep foolish things like the AWB alive. And those anti-gunners out there are trying their absolute best to keep ignorance alive among the "non-gunners".

    The AWB was obviously crap legislation, and I'm glad it's gone......for now.

    And (in keeping with the original topic) whichever organization you choose to support, I ask that everyone do what they can to help our cause. - OUR RIGHTS. Most of the anti-gunners "ammo" against us is just ignorance. Helping our cause may also be done by informing some of the ignorant "non-gunners" so that they may make an informed choice as well.

    JER
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    [:)]

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tr fox
    In regards to American civilians having a right to own "assault weapons", there is no reason for anyone to be for or against that "right". But there is reason to be against this stupid misconception about "assault weapons".

    Reason being because basically the right for the average gun owner to own a true "assault weapon" DOES NOT EXIST. The ONLY guns that the average gun owner can own, and that the anti-gunners call "assault weapons" are and SHOULD BE CALLED "Look-Alike assault weapons" or "Cosmetically an Assault Weapon".

    The average gun owner CANNOT buy or own a true "assault weapon".

    A true assault weapon is one that can fire fully automatic or at the least three round bursts.

    Take my Armalite M-15. It is a military M-16 look-alike. But ONLY a look alike. NOT all the parts are interchangable AND MOST IMPORTANTLY my Armalite only fires "one trigger pull, one shot". Just like the old time and modern cowboy revolvers. Same with my SAR-1. It ONLY looks like a fully automatic AK-47.

    If my Armalite was given to an American soldier, or my SAR-1 given to an Iraq soldier, both of them would take their rifle to the armory and want them repaired BECAUSE THEY WON'T SHOOT MORE THAN ONE TRIGGER PULL/ONE SHOT.

    And in regards to the "evil" flash suppressor, baynoet lug and folding stock, NO REASONABLE PERSON SHOULD EVEN HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THESE ITEMS.

    It is a flash suppressor NOT a flash eliminator. I have never heard of the police being unable to apprehend a violent criminal because he had an evil flash suppressor on his rifle.

    I have never heard of a violent criminal using the bayonet lug and bayonet to rob a convience store or do a drive-by bayonetting.

    If a violent criminals feels a profound need to shorten his rifle in order to committ a crime, he will not be stopped simply because the goofey anti-gunners passed a law outlawing folding stock. Either the criminal will illigally obtain a folding stock, saw off the buttstock of his rifle, OR GO OUT AND STEAL A PISTOL. The innocent public is going to get absoutely no extra protection simply becasue folding stocks are illegal.

    THERE ARE NO "ASSAULT WEAPONS" BEING SOLD TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE LAST 70+ YEARS!

    Please my fellow pro-gun people, help me out in getting this information (if you agree with my post) out to the public and let's get rid of this "assault weaapons in the hands of the public" lie stamped out.

    JMHO

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"


    Nice job on this one fox!!!!!!!![:)]
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    [:)] thanks and pass it around.

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    Forgot to add that the now expired so-called assault weapons ban on 10+ round mags was a joke also that did nothing to protect the public.

    Is any criminal violent activity really going to be hampered by there being such a ban on 10+ round mags? If a violent criminal really, really needs more than 10 rounds to do his crime, he WILL JUST CARRY EXTRA MAGS! Or violate the law and find/steal/buy all the 10+ mags he/she wants.

    Kinda like limiting chain saws to only hold one pint of gasoline so that people can't just go out and cut down a bunch of trees all at one go. The cutter WILL JUST BRING EXTRA GAS.

    And this is not even the best example because it actually does take measurable time to refil with gas while it only takes split seconds to switch mags.

    That ban on 10+ rounds was a feel good but do nothing law.

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
  • dsmithdsmith Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Badwrench, sorry it took so long for me to reply. I got the 80 to 1 quote from the following link:

    http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

    The original source is listed on the bottom of the page. It says:

    2 According to the National Safety Council, the total number of gun deaths (by accidents, suicides and homicides) account for less than 30,000 deaths per year. See Injury Facts, published yearly by the National Safety Council, Itasca, Illinois.

    That is where the GOA got this info. National Safety Council.

    TR, you said that the right to own "true assault rifles" does not exist. I assure you fox, the right does exist. It's just being violated by the elites, and the average people are just putting up with it.
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    dsmith: no, I said that the "average gunowner" cannot own true assault weapons (i.e. fully automatic). If your states allows it (yeah I hate that phrase too) then if you pay the extra fee and submit the extra paperwork AND it is approved, then you too can own a fully automatic rifle.

    At least one GB.com member who hangs out on the General Discussion forum has one such gun. I think his screen name is Selectfire. Check with him if you need more info.

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
  • dsmithdsmith Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Tr, glad to see you hate the state approval idea. However the one catch is that the fully automatic firearm you want to own has to have been registered before 1986 and then transferred to you. That's why they are so expensive, and the main reason I'm no longer an NRA member.
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    fair enough.

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
  • dsmithdsmith Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    TR, I'm glad you respect my opinions on such issues. Good to have reasonable conversations with you without resorting to name calling and personal attacks. Keep up the support for your long list of gun groups, even though I'm only currently a member of GOA. I am looking at KABA, and I do like the looks of them. Keep in mind that even though I do sometimes come off against the NRA, I support gun groups in general, and I don't want to offend NRA supporters such as yourself.[8D]
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    I couldn't/wouldn't ask for more from you [:)]


    P.S. I try very hard not to call names (unless someone begs for it) and if it has ever appeared I directed any name-calling at you that would be incorrect.

    I have always felt negative posts from pro-gun people about ANY even half-way decent pro-gun groups DO NOT HELP the negative poster but do help Sarah Brady, etc. and DO SOME HARM to the pro-gun group being trashed.

    But you (and other NRA critics)have always expressed that you are a supporter of other pro-gun rights groups (GOA, etc) so that fact alone means that none of you will ever be considered anything but a friend.

    Now Highball is in a different catagory. He has given up the fight and is equally unsupportive of ANY AND ALL pro gun/citizen rights groups and considering the good arguments he has presented in regards to his reasons I cannot fault or criticize him for his belief and actions.

    JMHO

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
  • dsmithdsmith Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    TR, I understand completely. You never called my names. That's why I said I'm glad we can have mature conversations. Good to have online groups that are at least closely related to my interests.

    Just think: if it wasn't for the internet, we wouldn't have forums like gunbroker. The only news sources we would have would be the main stream media. With the internet, we can read gun owner's news, rightwingnews.com, newsmax.com, washingtontimes.com, or any other source that shares our views.
  • remingtongeoremingtongeo Member Posts: 178
    edited November -1
    The REAL reason they railroaded Neal out had to do with being effective in fighting gun control laws..using methods not approved of by men in suits. Highball

    The REAL reason Neal got RAILROADED out of the NRA is the members VOTED him out. They didn't want the NRA to become a lobbying only organization. And what the heck is wrong with shooting a handgun with one hand?

    What pro gun organizations do you support? Are any of them good enough?

    NRA life member, instructor and coach.<BR>
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    remingtongeo Posted -

    quote:The REAL reason Neal got RAILROADED out of the NRA is the members VOTED him out.Part of the truth..typical NRA Bullsh**

    quote:They didn't want the NRA to become a lobbying only organization.They were afraid that Neal would issue a challange that their chicken butts would't back up.....NO MORE GUN LAWS...OR ELSE.

    quote:And what the heck is wrong with shooting a handgun with one hand?
    Nothing at all...until you protected your Bullseye pistol at the expense of semi-auto rifles.

    quote:What pro gun organizations do you support? Are any of them good enough?
    Ever heard of JPFO ? There is an organization that has the guts to make a stand.

    By the way,TR:
    I have not "given up the fight"...only the losing battles of the war.Politics is so very..demeaning..and there comes a time that one should recognize we are out gunned and out classed by the Socialists and all their money and power.

    Thr final,winning hand is held by us,the good citizens that honor and recognize the Constitution as meaning what it says.I merely prefer to stand back and allow the Elites their 'final solution'..the gun ban that is coming.
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 39,309 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    Highball, I wonder if you and I are related somehow.

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    81st FA BN WWII...Thanks Dad
    U!S!A! ALL THE WAY!!
  • remingtongeoremingtongeo Member Posts: 178
    edited November -1
    I've heard of the JPFO and you reminded me to renew my membership. I use Gran'pa Jack's books when I teach the NRA safety classes.

    I am a highpower rifle shooter since 1990 and own a M1A Fulton Armory Peerless that I just love. My M1A has never resented my S&W 41 for anything that has happened in the past.

    All I'm saying is the membership of the NRA doesn't want to become the only lobby group. I think the JFPO, GOA and the others are needed, and they take the fight and inform as many people as they can.

    I give money to as many different organizations as I can. I take 5% of my last's year salary and spread it around. I'll spend it at the Friend's of NRA dinners, send in my membership dues and give donations. If we all did this, you wouldn't worry about the NRA.

    Highball the fight is not over. NSSF says there is a steady rise in women hunters, trap shooting, high power rifle and practical pistol type shooters. If you want to make a change, take someone shooting. Once they go most people can't stop.

    NRA life member, instructor and coach.<BR>
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    How very well said. I hope there are millions and millions of people such as the above poster.

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    To those that don't know me....I come across as being short-tempered,abrasive,and a flame thrower.

    Those that know me recognize those traits in me also.

    Fight the good fight ? With those that are morally bankrupt.,,,interested only in personal power and gain ? Wade into the cesspool and expect to come out with something pure ? Not in any world I have ever lived in....rubbing shoulders with corruption is bound to leave stains.

    The suggestion Remingtongeo made is a good one...one I took 30 or so years ago.I would far rather teach a girl or woman to shoot..the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world,'ya know...besides....put a * the range...and guess where the guys will be....

    I normally teach 5 or 6 a year to shoot..not a huge number...but have also seen them down at the local gun show,later....buying guns...

    Me,I would rather teach ONE PERSON to shoot...then get on my knees and beg some politician to obey the Constitution..
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    T
    The suggestion Remingtongeo made is a good one...one I took 30 or so years ago.I would far rather teach a girl or woman to shoot..the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world,'ya know...besides....put a * the range...and guess where the guys will be....

    I normally teach 5 or 6 a year to shoot..not a huge number...but have also seen them down at the local gun show,later....buying guns...

    Me,I would rather teach ONE PERSON to shoot...then get on my knees and beg some politician to obey the Constitution..


    Rarely have I agreed so much with such an intelligent and thoughtful post. If we have 5 million like Highball out there doing what he has been doing, we wouldn't have any "anti-gun problems".

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
  • dsmithdsmith Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I like the idea of teaching girls. Traditionally guns have been more of a "guy thing." If there is one pro-gun woman for every pro-gun man, we have almost doubled in size. A lot of women aren't very much into hunting. However, that just means that we have to get them interested in handguns instead of hunting rifles.

    Play the issue up as a personal defense / target shooting issue. Your girlfriend / wife doesn't want to go hunting? Take her to the range and let her shoot your handguns. Encourage her to consider the possibility of concealed carry, because a lot of attackers target women because they sometimes appear weaker.

    Also remember that the anti-gunner's main weapon is deception. Point out the hard facts. Showing them the GOA's fact sheets is a good place to start. http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

    As of the moment, the pro-gun people are winning. While we are far away from having the Constitution party running the House and Senate, gun owners are finally getting some respect. We voted out anti-gun politicians consistantly since the "assault weapons" ban of '94, and they are floundering for a way to win our votes without changing their stance. I do believe that we will eventually win, if for no other reason than we will not give up.

    Also, on the GOA fact sheet, one of the points:

    * At least 17 million women own firearms in the United States.141 And according to the National Research Opinion Center, 44 percent of adult women either own or have access to firearms.142

    44%. 17,000,000 women with firearms. This is good. We need to get more of them in order to make sure we can really win. We have a serious problem if more women support the "Million Mom March" than the gun groups. It makes the men seem mean and selfish if the only news coverage the pro-gun people get is of hunting. It implies that guns are dangerous and that wanting to own one and keep them legal so you can go hunting is wrong.

    I enjoy hunting as much as the next person, but hunting has nothing to do with your rights. Freedom is what your rights are about, and the more pro-gun people we can create, the better.
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    Yep![:)]

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    there is a differance between ....Running down the NRA,and/or,offending its members...AND Educating them....Putting ALL your eggs in one basket just plain don't make sense in this day and age....I encourage NRA members to belong with at least one other group....Just my opinion,and BTW ,nice civil banter there Fox and dsmith...L.H.
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    Thankya [8D]

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
  • D.K.D.K. Member Posts: 291 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK guys...Can I ask some uneducated questions that bother me?
    There is no intention here of insulting any fellow gun loonies as
    I realize we all have the same agenda...just different views on
    how to achieve it.

    1. Do the LEO members of the NRA pledge they will quit
    their jobs before they will ENFORCE an illegal law?
    Remember, they are LAW ENFORCEMENT personnel, not
    constitution enforcement personnel.

    2. How much money every year does the NRA spend on shooting
    events geared towards LAW enforcement officers? Now I
    realize the desire is to have friendly relationships with
    LEOs who share our views....but when push comes to shove,
    is it going to be one of my so-called friends who come
    to ENFORCE an unconstitutional law?

    3. Does anyone else feel something might be wrong when
    Wayne LaPierre calls LEOs "Jack-booted thugs" and then
    spends money on activities in the shooting sports that
    mostly include law ENFORCEMENT personnel?

    4. In the long ago past...every plea for me to join the
    NRA was coupled to a pledge they wanted me to sign saying
    I would not use my weapons against our duly elected
    government. I could not do so...because Adolf Hitler
    was duly elected. And if the same were to happen here,
    under the NRAs logic....the second amendment meant nothing.-
    No, I did not sign nor did I join! Was I wrong?

    5. Now I'm in agreement with DSMITH, worrying that I'll
    be labeled a "radical extremist" because I believe the
    second amendment leaves no room for compromise is stupid.
    I'm not going to worry about it at all! Yet, at the same
    time, I don't a wishy-washy compromiser watching my
    back either! Anybody who has experienced combat or as
    a LEO faced an armed criminal knows what I mean here!

    6. And like others have said, I don't join the NRA because
    of the number of LEOs involved....I would simply feel
    like a Jewish member of a Gestapo country club!

    7. Ohio has just passed the right to carry. Friends
    have asked if I plan to get my permit and my answer
    has always been...I already have my permit,,,It's
    called the second amendment! Now do I defy the law
    and carry without a permit anyway....No, of course not!
    But if I did, how many NRA members who are Ohio LEOs would
    arrest me? And to each one who would, or even to those
    who believe they should....can't you see why I view these
    people as no different than the poiticians the obey! Can
    you see why I don't you as allies?

    8. Let's address the constant plea for money...I detest
    TV preachers who constantly whine for money...and NRA
    whiners rub me the same way. Does anyone out there
    believe the large chemical companies want to cure all
    the diseases known to man? Or are you like me and believe
    they want to sell you medicines forever. If they actually
    cured all of us....they would be out of business! I view
    the NRA the same way...if we actually settled the second
    amndment issue....Ole Wayne and the others might be out of
    a job! I seriously doubt Sarah Brady wants the issue
    settled either! The ongoing debate/struggle is her meal
    ticket! Same with TV preachers...if we all got SAVED
    today...what would they do to replace the money the fleece
    from the sheep now?

    9. To those who argue they don't want to lose their second
    amendment rights by having it settled by civil war, I must
    ask...are you a pacifist? To carry your logic to its final
    conclusion...violence (wars!) are not a good idea as a method
    to solve conflict. Are you against us being in Iraq? Do
    you see yourself as someone with a double standard? Do I
    want to see civil war here? NO! Smarter people than I
    have, through intellegent arguement, have convinced me
    that's not a good idea! Too much "calateral damage"!

    10. I am a viet Nam vet, just like thousands of the rest of
    you, so I'm not trying to set myself apart as someone
    special...but coming home to the American people after
    that fiasco coupled with two terms of Slick Willie, has
    left a very bad taste in my mouth...I simply don't trust
    you! (the American people)I don't trust your judgement.
    I don't trust your word. I don't trust you to do the
    right thing. And I believe our kids in Iraq will be
    shafted and forsaken by our country just like we Viet
    Vets were and the Desert Storm Vets were. We, gentlemen,
    as a people, have NO HONOR!

    11. Lastly, my question is simple...Why should I join an
    organization I don't trust because it has a large mebership
    I don't trust? And a leadership which does not serve my
    interests by being all too eager to compromise. Have you
    ever considered that our willingness to compromise is the
    catalyst that encourages the antis?
  • dsmithdsmith Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    D.K. nice rant!

    I agree about the drug companies and LEO. I always thought I'd make a terrible cop because I'd never enforce laws I didn't agree with. (I see you got an unregistered G3 with a 30mm grenade launcher... Well if my boss sees that, you'll be in a lot of trouble!)

    No compromise. GOA for me.
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    My, my what cynicism. Can you find nothing good to say about the NRA?

    What distrubs me is that even after reading your long post bashing the NRA, I still have absolutely no idea WHAT pro-gun organization you DO belong to and support with your time and money.

    If any.

    Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
  • dsmithdsmith Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Tr, DK has nearly 100 posts. Not many compared to you, but he doesn't appear to be a one time poster who just wants to cause problems for gun owners. Maybe he just happened to like one of the no-compromise comments I (or somebody else) made, and wanted to issue his support.
  • D.K.D.K. Member Posts: 291 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    DSMITH.....you are right! I notice that I was
    criticized for NRA bashing....that wasn't my intent.
    I think tr might have finally got some questions he
    can't answer!

    Anybody have an intellegent reply or the gonads to actually ANSWER MY
    QUESTIONS!!!!
  • D.K.D.K. Member Posts: 291 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    DSMITH....Don't have a grenade launcher...but believe
    it should be legal to own. I am no-compromise minded on the second amendment.

    I'm a loyal American whose only scrape with the law was a $5.00
    parking ticket some 20 years ago. That's right, I
    have never had a moving violation! (And I'm 60 years old) Now if I was to be a bad man who possessed illegal weapons...it wouldn't besomething as puny as a grenade or rocket launcher. I was a NUCLEAR WEAPONS expert during my military days!!! One of my primary duties was repairing guided missle systems.

    Some think I'm "paranoid" about LEOs. I know a few personally,
    and can't get a committment from them on my questions either!
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    D.K. posted;

    quote:9. To those who argue they don't want to lose their second
    amendment rights by having it settled by civil war, I must
    ask...are you a pacifist?
    NO...and I fail to see the correlation.

    quote: To carry your logic to its final
    conclusion...violence (wars!) are not a good idea as a method
    to solve conflict. I assume that you believe that the Founding Fathers made a mistake fighting the Brits.....hmmmm ???

    quote:Are you against us being in Iraq?You bet.
    quote: Do you see yourself as someone with a double standard? Hardly....
    quote:Do I want to see civil war here? NO!
    Neither do I.....Just exactly what do you reccommend tho to stop total corruption and the final move to tyranny...a short few steps down the road ?


    quote:Smarter people than I
    have, through intellegent arguement, have convinced me
    that's not a good idea! Too much "calateral damageOnce again...I refer you to the Founders if you wish to find out the actual truth about what Freedom IS WORTH.....

    About LEO'S...most of the younger breed will enforce any law put forth by the empty suits in the Capital.Most of the older LEO'S are good guys.
  • D.K.D.K. Member Posts: 291 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    TR...I don't want to fight with you. I've read many of
    your posts and have a great respect for you as a pro-gun
    ally.

    To answer your question...I try to take a non-gun-owner hunting
    at my expense each year. Donate funds (don't have much free time)
    to the "junior" hunts at Phesants Forever. This is my attempt at
    showing inner-city kids that hunting and gun ownership is not a
    rich man's sport.

    Gave a shotgun (a new benelli) to a young African American three years ago who PREVIOUSLY was anti-gun because he believed all white people only owned guns to suppress his race! Now as a friend of mine, he sees me as a fellow gun owner rather than an armed oppressor. It's hard to see someone who provides you with arms as an oppressor. And no, he's not a welfare case. He works with me and has a very good income. He has young kids who just might become pro-gun hunters some day too. He also made his first ever hunting trip at a local game farm. And don't knock the "game farm", it's a very good teaching tool. By the way...he now wants to try fishing. He's
    buying gear and reading mags. That's right, he's never been fishing
    either! You know what? He's a man who believes in givng back to his
    community...do you have any idea what that could accomplish?

    I know it ain't much...but 12 of my co-workers have been converted from anti-gun or fence sitters by my non confrontational methods.(Over a period of years) One guy, who is 47 years old...bought his first ever gun this year and plans to deer hunt with it next year. He reminded me of a kid a Christmas when he showed it to me. Did the research himself and made the purchase! Think of it TR, a 47 year old man who has never hunted or own a gun....right now he's considering guns for his two boys. I'll give it time and when the
    boys have been converted....I'll subtlely suggest he do the same
    with his daughter! I talked guns with him for 8-9 years before he was convinced!

    I believe my money is being more effectively used this way than anything most gun lobbies could do for me. Ever hear of networking? I don't believe we can make any difference pandering to corrupt government officials....but fellow Americans...that's another story!
    The SHORT answer to your question is...you are right... I don't belong to any of them!
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    DK, our posts "crossed in the mail" so I am revising mine. From the info you have just been kind enough to provide I see that we are soldiers in the same trench, in the same war and and on the same side. I am standing down from my "attack" mode.

    I wish you well and cosider you a comrade, but I do wish you would find and join at least one pro-gun organization because I don't think we pro-gunners will survive without them. [:)]
  • D.K.D.K. Member Posts: 291 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Highball buddy....I think you may have misunderstood my post!

    WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE!!!!!! I'm in agreement with ALL your
    posts on this subject. With the exception of taking me to task?

    And by the way.....I didn't mention NEAL KNOX as one of my
    reasons for not belonging to the NRA because I thought you had
    my back there!!! I believe you are probably right about the
    LEO question too.
  • D.K.D.K. Member Posts: 291 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thank you TR...and I believe highball will be with us in the trenches too....we can always use a FLAMETHROWER!!!!
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    D.K.;...

    Not picking a fight with you...either.
    I do believe that words mean specific things...and merely clarifying some positions....mine and yours.

    I have been in the trenches for a good many years.Have shed sweat,tears...and blood in defense of what the Founders wrought...the only free country on the face of the earth.

    Yes...I am a flamethrower.Watching freedom slip through our fingers is frustrating...and disheartening.

    The very worst of the blows dealt to rights and freedoms in this country is the so-called "gun-owners" willing to deal off yet another part of the Second Amendment to the Socialists in Washington...just to 'keep the peace'......That sums up my posititon on the NRA neatly....
  • D.K.D.K. Member Posts: 291 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Highball....disheartening...frustrating....compromising with
    socialists...like I said, buddy....same page! No offense taken....would be glad to call you FRIEND!
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    A cup of good coffee and a rousing discussion about freedom with a good friend....nothing will rouse the spirit faster.

    There are some 'salt of the earth' people on this board...and I have been blessed to have been able to 'cross swords' with then from time to time.Even friends are allowed..(required,even) to disagree...as long as the understanding is.....the Second Amendment has been compromised nearly into oblivion.....
  • dsmithdsmith Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
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    DK, wasn't implying that anyone in particular owned a grenade launcher. I was just making an example of what a bad cop I would make.

    I highly suggest that you join the Gun Owners of America. Check out http://gunowners.org. They are no-compromise. Larry Pratt, one of the executives went so far as to say that a 17 year-old should be able to walk into a hardware store and buy a 30 caliber belt fed machine gun without going through any paperwork and take it home the same day. This is a sharp contrast to NRA. They are also lobbying for "Vermont style" concealed carry laws which allow you to carry concealed without a permit. Let me know what you think.
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
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    D.K.,
    Just trying to answer your questions. Not saying that this is an intelligent reply, and my gonads are NOT in question. LOL Read to the end before you jump on me.

    1.
    Have to make a point on this one. EVERY oath, that I have looked up, that is taken by a police officer, military man, up to the president, includes the quoted statement below. (or close to it) Now you tell me, if they would enforce an illegal order. Remember now, before you answer, there are over 20,000 UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws ON THE BOOKS.
    quote:I, do solemnly swear, that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of.....
    Hint: They already do.

    2.
    I have yet to find a financial report for the NRA online, if you find one, let me know.

    3.
    The upper echelon in the NRA could/should be changed?

    4.
    Don't remember ever seeing that. Of course my memory is not what it used to be. LOL (I do like to read the fine print) But if I had, I would not do it.

    5.
    NO compromise.

    6.
    Don't see how the number of LEO's, in the membership, has anything to do with it.

    7.
    Probably all of them. Yes. No, not all members are LEO's, NOR do all "members" feel the same way.

    8.
    NO. Yes. Start a new religion.

    9.
    Don't argue that way. Yes. No. Tell those that have gone before us, and lost ALL, that there was too much collateral damage.

    10.
    You didn't ask any questions here, so I will. People are/were complaining about the way things are/were. Was there a vote for change?

    11.
    You shouldn't. Absolutely.


    D.K. I have read your posts here, and I like your spunk. (have you had that said to you lately?) I think we are all basically in agreement. Something needs to be done. We need ALL the help we can get. If it is teaching a youngster to shoot, or trying to "slow" our eroding gun rights. It is the effort that counts. We may never agree on what methods to use, (well except for getting new people involved) but the fact that a person is doing SOMETHING is better than NOTHING. Even if others do not agree with the choice.

    Et all. I told someone that I would not bash the NRA anymore. If this post gives that impression, I apologize, as that was not the intent. Just answering some questions, from what looks to me, to be a concerned member, and a brother in arms.

    The gene pool needs chlorine.
  • D.K.D.K. Member Posts: 291 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    DSMITH...No offense was taken buddy, I was just given
    support for the position that there should be NO RESTRICTIUONS
    on owning weapons according to the 2nd amendment. We agree here.

    PICKENUP....No quarrel with you either...Sometimes I like to
    challenge the other posters with my positions....It brings out
    the real men who have both gonads and intellect. I've always
    (remember I'm fairly new here) seen that in you so no need to
    qualify yourself!

    The wishy-washy guys either flop back and forth or show us
    they don't have the gonads. Either way it allows me to see who
    I want watchin' my back! There's a lot of you guys out there
    that have my respect. And no, we don't have to agree on absolutely
    everything....that would indicate the inability to think for
    ones's self!

    Ever notice how utterly consistent the thinking is from one liberal to another? It's like they have been brainwashed by the same idiot!
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