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what state is the easiest to obtain a handgun.
ftw05
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I live in New York but its a pain in the neck to get a gun permit and a handgun. So please share your info on which state you can get a gun the easiest preferebly on the east coast.
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I live in New York but its a pain in the neck to get a gun permit and a handgun. So please share your info on which state you can get a gun the easiest preferebly on the east coast.
If you are a New York resident, you can only have a handgun transferred to you in New York.
I live in New York but its a pain in the neck to get a gun permit and a handgun. So please share your info on which state you can get a gun the easiest preferebly on the east coast.
If you live in New York, you must have a New York State pistol permit in order to legally own a handgun. Even if you move to New York from another state, and already own your handguns legally, you still need to transfer your handguns to a NY FFL, and without a NY Permit, the FFL won't complete the transfer. So, forget about going out-of-state to purchase a gun to bring back to NY.
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Long guns besides full auto can be purchased at any time, they are also not registered.
They follow NCIS with the federal goverment, but that is all. As for concealed carry or carry you will have to get a gun law guide or call the sheriff of that paticular town.
" Those who give up a little freedom for temporary security, deserve neither freedom nor security "
- Benjamin Franklin
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun.
One can in fact be a resident of more than one state. You would be in complaiance should you purchace a hand gun in a free state like New Hampshire. You could then travel to hunting or shooting events with you gun in either state.
Better yet, you could also get a paper divorce from NY and end your voter registration, cancel your driver's license etc. Then you could visit the Bolshevik state as a real non-resident. Get your paychecks direct deposited fron the Bolshevik Republic of NY to some bank in NH as long as you don't have a resident requirement for your job.
Be sure to have a valid driver's license and vote in NH. Your home could be a really cheap, movable trailer with NH plates. Get a lease with a really run down NH trailer park. NY does not deserve your taxes, do they? You could also live in a owned or rented NY home quietly most of the time.
In any event should you find yourself under arrest keep your yap shut! Simply Give them your driver's license and say, "I'd be happy to help the police ot ATF all I can but I want to have a lawyer present first!!!" You my find yourself quickly released as a result. Don't pull a Martha Stewart and go to prison for babbling away to some federal agent. They won't want to deal with the liability mess they just stepped into.
Why live in Communist occuped NY when you can find freedom in NH?
Defender
Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
Do you live in New York by choice or necessity? I would consider moving to a free state. There are several states where you just show two forms of ID with your address on them and pass the background check. Good luck.
Defender
Private investigator licensed in AZ & CA that specializes in self defense cases.
If you have a CCW (which is easy since Nevada is a shall-issue state) then they don't even do the background check. Saves about $20 per gun.
-WW
"...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."
-The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
My intent is to simply get a regular handgun in NY but the laws here are a complete mess and I was wondering if u can get a gun permit in another state and come to NY with it.
I don't believe NY recognizes any other CCW. Where in NY ? I got mine in St. Lawrence County. Much better strain of judge there.
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun.
I live in New York but its a pain in the neck to get a gun permit and a handgun. So please share your info on which state you can get a gun the easiest preferebly on the east coast.
quote:ftw05 Posted - 05/10/2005 : 12:23:24 AM
My intent is to simply get a regular handgun in NY but the laws here are a complete mess and I was wondering if u can get a gun permit in another state and come to NY with it.
With all due respect, you sound and act like a "Troll". By your description it would imply your intention to "break the law" where you presently live, which would make you into a criminal, and attempt to give a black eye to those neighboring states where freedom still reigns. If as you state you do not like the "rules in your State you have two choices: first band together and "change back" the rules to what represented freedom, or, second, get the heck out of your repressive State into a freedom loving State. But in between, don't do something stupid to damage yourself or others by your inpatience or "lust for freedom and rights granted under the constitution but denied by your home State."
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Well, I do not know about State but City of Chicago (south side in particular) is a very good place to look. $50-100 or so will get you nice semi S&W! [:)]
Now only have to show id and complete federal yellow form 4473 ( I think # is correct) and walk out. Takes about 10 minutes if you are in a hurry.
Never has been any formal place to "register" any guns here.
Johnson Co. Kansas. Used to be just walk into gun store, show driver's license walk out with handgun.
Now only have to show id and complete federal yellow form 4473 ( I think # is correct) and walk out. Takes about 10 minutes if you are in a hurry.
Never has been any formal place to "register" any guns here.
You only have to fill out a 4473, with NO background check?
WOW Isn't that kind of like buying them out of vending machines?
After all, a 4473 is just a piece of paper, that is based on the honor system, when filling it out.
You know, like it USED to be.
Of course there was a time before 4473's.
The gene pool needs chlorine.
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You only have to fill out a 4473, with NO background check?
WOW Isn't that kind of like buying them out of vending machines?
Uh...no.
The vending machine would only require that I had the money to buy. The FFL that is PERSONALLY dealing with me can see if I am high on drugs, drunk, muttering something about "kill everybody" and etc. In addition I am required to give a lot of personal information which can be visually verfied by the FFL. (height, weight, race, age, etc). This would discourage a criminal from trying to use my id to illegally buy a gun.
The vending machine would not do this.
The FFL uses this form 4473 to contact the GOVERNMENT (OK, the governments contractors) to try and determine two elements.
#1 does my 4473 info match up with the governments records so that it can be determined that I am who I say I am.
#2 Do my records indicate that I am a CRAZYED, HOMICIDAL MANIAC who everyone in society (including you pickenup) do not want to LEGALLY transfer a gun to.
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After all, a 4473 is just a piece of paper, that is based on the honor system, when filling it out.
Me having to present my state produced and issued id, containing my photo and signature is far, far more than an "honor system".
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You know, like it USED to be.
It USED to be that there were no restrictions on a whole lot of activities. It USED to be that any loser that walked in off the street and had political connections could be a police officer.
Do you wish to go back to how it USED to be?
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Of course there was a time before 4473's.
Of course. But times change. There was a "time before the internet" yet I see you are happy to keep up with the times in that regard; and also in many, many other ways.
I was wrong in saying that, but UNLIKE SOME, I am willing to admit it.
In your first post, you did NOT say that a background check was necessary.
THAT was the point I was alluding to, which you so conveniently skirted/ignored.
Simply completing a form 4473 (which is all you said you needed) IS the way it USED to be, which was the point I was making.
Apart from your "physical description" the QUESTIONS on a 4473 ARE answered on the honor system, are they not?
Go ahead, turn and twist statements any way you want. What does being a cop, or the internet have to do with.....??
And the price of tea in China is..............
The gene pool needs chlorine.
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In your first post, you did NOT say that a background check was necessary.
THAT was the point I was alluding to, which you so conveniently skirted/ignored.
Simply completing a form 4473 (which is all you said you needed) IS the way it USED to be, which was the point I was making.
Since my first experience with the yellow 4473 form, wanting to buy the gun, being required to complete the form, and then the FFL using that form to contact the agency that processes forms 4473 for approval/denial has been one single process.
It is and never (to my knowledge) has been 2 or 3 steps, with anyone of those steps being allowed to be skipped and still have the gun sale go through.
So for the sake of trying to post to the point I did not break down nor mention the step requiring the FFL to phone in the 4473 information for approval request.
But since this is a nationwide law I naturally assumed that everyone knew that.
Guess not.
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OK, I'll give you that, it is not quite like buying from a vending machine.
I was wrong in saying that, but UNLIKE SOME, I am willing to admit it.
Say pickenup, who is this "unlike some" you speak of? I don't believe I have read any posts by this member.
(hehehehe, snicker, snicker, man I love to rankel)
The "unlike some" was referring to "some" members here, who, even after being proven wrong, will NOT admit that they were wrong. I am not pointing fingers, just making a "general" statement. Will you admit that there are "some" members here like that?
I guess you have not been buying guns as long as I though you had. The 4473's USED to be filled out (the questions being answered on the honor system) then stuck in the file, with NOTHING else being done with them. No second or third step to it. There was even a time when there were no 4473's to fill out. Guess you "young kids" [;)] wouldn't know anything about that though.
I was just going by what you said it took to buy a gun in your area.
quote:Now only have to show id and complete federal yellow form 4473 ( I think # is correct) and walk out.
There are still places in this country, where you can do private sales of guns. No paperwork, no phone calls. I know you could not have been referring to those kinds of sales, since you mentioned the form. But since I know you love to "rankel" (as I do from time to time) I was just providing you the opportunity to do so. [:D]
The gene pool needs chlorine.
I agree with you on that one, Pickenup. I think those questions are just plain stupid, kind of like when the person at the ticket counter at the airport asks you if you have any explosives in your suitcase.
In my ideal world, I think a gun purchase would go like this:
1. You pick out the gun and indicate you want to buy it.
2. You fill out a form that has the pertinent info for a background check, basically the top 1/3 of the yellow form (name, address, SSN, DL#, etc.).
3. The gun dealer makes a telephone call to the background check center (I would presume it to be a state or federal law enforcement office), where an officer is sitting in front of a database terminal.
4. The dealer relays only the information on the form to this officer. The officer then checks to insure that your ID is valid, that your SSN matches, that you have not been convicted of any felonies, and that you have no warrants out for your arrest. Then the officer gives either a go-ahead or denial for the purchase.
5. The dealer then GIVES YOU THE FORM BACK. No copies are made of the form. The serial number of the gun IS NOT RECORDED.
6. You then pay the man and take your new property home.
JMHO,
-WW
"...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."
-The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
Editing your posts......again? Tsk tsk.
So, turn me into the "editing posts" police
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The "unlike some" was referring to "some" members here, who, even after being proven wrong, will NOT admit that they were wrong. I am not pointing fingers, just making a "general" statement. Will you admit that there are "some" members here like that?
What!? Are you telling me there are some members here who will not admit when they are wrong? Man, I must have been napping on that one. When did this happen?
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I guess you have not been buying guns as long as I though you had. The 4473's USED to be filled out (the questions being answered on the honor system) then stuck in the file, with NOTHING else being done with them. No second or third step to it. There was even a time when there were no 4473's to fill out. Guess you "young kids" [;)] wouldn't know anything about that though.
Well, actually I've been a gun owner since 1958, but my first gun (handgun .22 Iver Johnson revolver) was purchased for me by my father. Most guns I purchased until 1986 were from private parties and only paperwork was what I wrote up in regards to a receipt.
But wait a minute. My first gun was a Stevens 12 gauge shotgun, three shot bolt action purchased for me by my step-father in about 1955 when I was about 12 or 13. Yeah, that was my first gun.
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I was just going by what you said it took to buy a gun in your area.
OK, pickenup, this is very, very difficult for me to say so I'm going to put it into code that noone but you and me can understand. "I WAS WRONG!!!!"
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There are still places in this country, where you can do private sales of guns. No paperwork, no phone calls. I know you could not have been referring to those kinds of sales, since you mentioned the form.
Private sales allowed on all guns here in Johnson Co. KS with absoutely no paperwork of any kind required.
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But since I know you love to "rankel" (as I do from time to time) I was just providing you the opportunity to do so. [:D]
Uh....for some reason I feel I already knew you "love to rankel".
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun.
quote:Originally posted by ftw05
I live in New York but its a pain in the neck to get a gun permit and a handgun. So please share your info on which state you can get a gun the easiest preferebly on the east coast.
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Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
You can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails.....
Probably Washington DC.....The death rate from firearms is higher there than in Iraq......that is a fact......
You can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails.....
Does anyone but me see the obvious paradox with the strongest gun laws of any city and the highest murder rates of any city BEING FOUND IN THE SAME CITY?
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Teach them young ! Teach them often !
God bless America!
How many people did you kill,...anyway...back before the power Elite decided that you were dangerous...??
Dang it, Fox...I thought you had read Snyders article...[:0]..and here you are still defending gun control !!!! [:D][:0] ?
How many people did you kill,...anyway...back before the power Elite decided that you were dangerous...??
Uh.. actually I was trying to highlight the fact about how even the liberals should be able to see the paradox in the city with the highest murder rate also having the highest level of gun control.
As for some of the people being concerned about the logging of seriel numbers it is really not something to be worried about...( unless you have something to hide ) their has been not very many times when i have had to look up an ffl for nics and tell them whom
bought which seriel numbered gun..Our privacy is still pretty much ours a least for right now..Protect your rights..its all we have along with our morals as humans.
shelly
alabama
arizona
arkansas
colorado
delaware
georgia
hawii
idaho
indiana
iowa
kansas
kentucky
louisiana
maine
massachusetts
michigan
mississippi
missouri
montana
nebraska
nevada
new hampshire
new jersey
new mexico
new york?
north carolina
north dakota
ohio
oklahoma
oregon
tennessee
texas
utah
vermont
virginia
west virgina
wyoming
shelly
However..this conveniently ignores the ever increasing number of people forced to wait 3 days...because the fed checks ain't 'instant'...as advertised.
shelly
I am allergic to paying the overhead of FFL Storefronts.
Couple that with the fact that I believe in free enterprise..and you can readily understand why I don't patronize a cartel.
http://www.mreguns.com/
I haven't bought anything from him, but his prices are as good as I've seen. I like the "Shop Online" feature, really great for comparison shopping. I think it is all built into Davidson's anyway, so he doesn't even have any inventory costs. Downside is you may have to wait a few days for the shipment to arrive to him, and you are buying sight unseen.
-WW
"...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."
-The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
shelly
BTW, don't forget that whenever an FFL holder ceases busines all the records now become the property of the feds to do with as they please.
I personally appreciate most gun stores/dealers. With the low profit margin and all the legal headaches, I feel that many FFL holders are actually almost doing a public service.