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Wildcat 12GA From Hell.--

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is closeup pic of Rob's 12GA FH, a Borchardt falling block
    action. Real nice. In picture is along brass 12ga case with one
    of Rob's 2000gr bore rider, solid, streamlined slugs. Ed




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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Got my long 700 HE case chambered barrel
    finally in a bmg size action. It is barrel
    I locked onto an I-beam and got testing and
    load developement done over the last couple
    years. Max load about 23,000 ft lbs.
    It weighs 27 lbs, laminated thumbhole stock,
    a max size pad, weighted butt, a reinforced
    wrist, recoil barrel ring on front of stock.Ed


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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is picture of a neat scaled up Sharps replica
    that would handle out 12GA FH and my 700HE.
    That outside hammer looks great. From a magazine
    article in Very High Power...Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is a pic of a projectile idea Rob had. We will test it later
    this fall, It is 12ga bore rider design Body is Aluminum, and it
    will have a heavy 50 cal insert in the nose made from tungsten
    or similiar metals. In the picture he put a 50 cal bullet in for
    show. The insert in the nose will be flush with front of the
    AL carrier. It should be stable at slow twists and if built
    with back and front same diameter stable in smoothbores.
    The long lighter tail-end compared to heavy nose insert
    will make it stable. Same principle Brenekke uses. This idea
    is being explored to try to get superior penetration
    from 12ga, with heavy, hard insert in the nose.Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is another view of my 700HE blaster,
    that I got rigged up on an action and stock.
    Side view shows action with a aperture sight I
    rigged up. Also cases. On left is 700H 3.25" case.
    Center my 700HE, what the gun in picture has now.
    Good for nearly 23,000 ft lbs, we attained in
    a work up in testing with the barrel as a test
    barrel with screw on testing receiver....Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is picture of a dart type 12ga slug Rob made. Body
    is aluminum, it has a heavy tungsten carbide insert in the
    nose. The TC in the nose is about 5 times denser than AL.
    Total length is 2.35 inches, weight about 950 gr. The .75" long
    insert a real tight type fit. Heat AL, put in insert, cools, locks on.
    It is fairly streamlined, yet has wide meplat for penetration
    in game. Flat points penetrate straighter in game.
    It is hollow inside in the back, behind insert which puts the
    center of gravity way up front, it should fly straight even from
    a smoothbore. They are fast to make and material
    less expense than copper.In pic is a copper and a brass 600
    cal slugs for comparison. Dart/slug on right has insert.Ed

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  • joshmb1982joshmb1982 Member Posts: 8,929
    edited November -1
    i think id be scared to shoot one of those. well, mabye just one or 2 shots anyway[:D]
  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here are more samples of nice 12ga slugs.....Here is pic of
    ones RG Henson sent. Jacketed 12ga. 715gr hollowpoints,
    on the right and in front a jkt 675gr hollowbase.
    RG's number 1-770-366-4846. These will be great for
    shorter plastic and brass cases as well as long cases.
    Other slugs in pic, in the back, left to right
    Foster 436gr- Dixie 600gr- 750gr brass- my 750gr hollowbase
    brass, and a hollowpoint I put a lightweight filler in the nose
    for streamlining..Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Two other 12ga slugs RG may do later on are full
    jacketed ones. If interested in the hp one above
    contact him at number above. He has to do a bunch
    of them to get ahead to do others.And they will be
    a fantastic deer, hog, bear slug. He is in Georgia.
    Also, any of you who might want some of the 12GA FH
    brass cases made from BMG brass, we have the fellow who
    had the idea about the 12GA FH first, Rob on AR forum,
    is planning on making them. He has got the machines to do
    it now, that we didn't have before. Let me know how many
    you are interested in getting, so he can plan and figure
    the best price. He has a bunch of BMG cases to start with,
    he and I have places to get more.I'm posting this all over.Ed
  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    testing 715gr jacketed hollowpoint from RG Henson in Savage 210.
    With 30 inch barrel, long brass 3.85" case, big primer.
    Slightly hairy load 290gr RL22--2700 fps. Shot moderate load
    of 300gr W-860 -- 2400 fps for 3 shot group of 3" at 50
    yards with my bad eyes and peep sights. They shoot nice, they go
    into target straight.. Other nice thing the price from RG,
    for customers getting in on his first run, $1.25 plus shipping.
    That is less than half of what other big bore jkt bullets cost.
    Call him for some great slugs. They are great like
    the Dixie slugs. Ed
  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Lookee what another santa sent me.
    A regular BMG case on the left, and
    a straight BMG case on the right, and it
    CAME FROM THE MANUFACTURER THAT WAY.

    It is primer cartridge for large guns and howitzers.
    It is used in those guns/cannons that have powder in big bags.
    It is filled with powder and inserted into cannon breach and
    when fired sets off the larger charge. On some cannon breaches
    they have an automatic feed for these with a huge 40 round
    drum magazine. This on is marked IVI 89 C67. IVI is Canadian.
    On these breaches it is held by collet fingers for head space
    and for ejection.

    Ok, there are many thousands more of these out there than the
    PROP cases I showed before. We need to find few barrels of these
    and have Rob, etal, put on rims.... no annealing.....no fireforming,
    just slight resize to 12GA FH. Please help if you know of any.
    They would save so much work and time..And even though fired
    the bases are perfectly straight, another plus.....Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is a picture of RG's jacketed 715gr slugs in various
    loads.First are 2.75" and 3" factory foster slugs\ for
    comparison. 3rd is jkt HP in 3.5" plastic case, 4th in a
    3" brass RMC case. 5th in a 3.5" brass case with small
    primer, 6th in our long brass 3.85" case, big primer.
    Top hairy load in long case in Savage, 2900..Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Please notice in the picture above, cases loaded with
    the 715 gr jacketed slugs, the 3rd and 4th ones.
    They both have same 90gr of 4227, same number of
    wads, shoot at 1700 in 24" NEF barrel. 3rd plastic is
    3.5" case, the 4th brass is a 3" RMC. Both have shotgun
    primers.The 5th longer case is a 3.5" strong
    brass one I made from a PROP case, and when I put
    in primer bushing, I set it up for shotgun primer. I
    will test it with 4227 powder, 600gr and 715 gr slugs.
    Also in a couple months Rob, who's idea the 12GA FH
    was will be able to deliver the super strong 12GA FH
    cases made from BMG brass. And the they will be
    headstamped, all done by his CNC machine.Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    RIP on AR Big bore forum is doing 835 Mossy and 1400gr Darwin slugs.
    A 14.5 pound Ulti-Mag. The hollow part of the butt is filled with about 5.5 lbs of lead shot and epoxy. Has 4X Sightron in QRW rings. Do 3.5" plastic hulls with the Darwin in it first. It balances on the trigger. Loading the magazine with 4 and one up the spout will add about 1.25 pounds if the 5 rounds are "Darwins," and move the balance point to the front of the triggerguard.
    It is heavier rifled 24" chromoly alloy barrel.

    Brett in MN has Mossy 835, only with smoothbore barrel and gets
    1oz finned plastic tail Ballistic Products slug to 2300 fps,
    using shotgun powder.Ed



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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Still testing 8ga I have setup in the Enfield.
    It has a long smooth barrel. Those 8ga
    heavy plastic cases are great. Fire them 4 times with
    no resizing. Here is pic of slugs used in 8ga..
    One and two are 1015gr hollowbase. Three and 4 are
    875gr hollowbase. On four the cushion base is cut off
    so I can use card wad and have more room for
    powder.Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We got our RMC 3.5" brass 12ga cases. These are turned
    cases using shotgun primer. They have nice thick base,
    and a good radius in the corner. Got a Brenekke OK 437 gr
    slug to 2800 fps, a 540gr Hammerhead slug to 2450. got 600gr
    Dixie to 2300, the 715gr RG jacketed to 2130, and a 1400gr
    Darwin to 1400 plus. tested in NEF. Shot one case 15 times
    and still going strong, tight primer, with loads running about
    20- 24,000 psi.I have pics of cases soon, and we also will
    test these brass ones and 3.5" plastic in 12ga Encore
    Prohunter..Ed
  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is picture of RMC 3.5" cases with variety of slugs,
    locked on wad slugs and sabots. There are 3 of our long cases
    in back for comparison. The RMC turned cases have shotgun
    primer. Case # 4 has 437gr slug in BPI SABOT( finally hard sabots
    in 12ga for reloading), #5 437gr Brenekke KO slug, #6 540gr
    Hammerhead slug, #7 600gr Dixie hard slug, #8 RG's 715gr
    jacketed, #9 750gr solid brass. Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is picture of a 12ga hard discarding sabot you can get
    for reloading, the BPI. From Ballistic products. In picture
    is sabot with a 437gr Hornady Great Plains 50cal slug I put
    in it. Also the 410 gr and 385gr Great Plains work.
    Finally able to load your own instead of paying 3-5 bucks
    each for loaded rounds.You can use the 500 S&W bullets also
    as well as shorter 50 cal blackpowder slugs... Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Been testing the Encore with the Nef loads. Barrel breech is
    one inch same as muzzle, where the NEF is 1.200".
    It has dovetails cut out in bottom of the barrel for
    the nuts for the forearm screws. ... At the bottom of dove tail
    there is only .060" thickness. Before reaming had back one fill
    welded as it was where the taper for the forcing cone ended up
    with 3.5" chamber. I load it with 10 gr less powder than the NEF
    on all different slugs and weights. Like the BPI sabot in 3.5"
    plastic in NEF, 437 gr slug, 120gr 4227, 2400 fps, and in Encore
    110gr 4227, 2270 fps. In 3.5" RMC brass case, same sabot/slug
    in NEF 140gr 4227, 2600+ fps,Encore 130gr 4227, 2500.
    The Encore is now 12 lbs, with hollow in butt and recesses in
    forearm with lead shot.In pic you see NEF And Encore with RMC
    brass cases started in chambers. Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here's what can be done original Savage 210 like
    the one I have our long case in. You can lengthen
    magazine in the plastic stock for up to 3.5" RMC brass
    cases, also 3.5" plastic cases. And you can open up
    bottom of the action to match, and the other things
    I did on the port, bolt travel, etc to feed cases.
    I did mine with heavy wood stock in singleshot.
    Using original plastic stock you weight the hollow butt.
    In picture you see stock original and stock mag longer.
    Second picture is a 3.5" brass case and slug overall
    length 3.7", in longer magazine. MN fellow who did this
    first used the regular follower and mag spring ok .. Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Info to help loading BPI sabots in plastic,ok to use plastic
    overwad over powder, but should use cardboard card and
    nitro wads above that below the BPI sabot. Sabot doesn't
    tear up and accuracy much better. Personally I use
    cards over powder and nitro wads, And with used cases
    roll crimping onto the thin edge of sabot is uneven, so with
    my used cases I set the sabot and slug to right height and
    just redo the 6 point star crimp real hard, and the middle of
    all the crimp sectors set right on the flat nose of the slug
    in the sabot. I also do the same with RG's 715gr hollowpoint
    with the crimp sectors right on the hollowpoint in used cases.
    Roll crimping holds RG's slug in ok but its taper of the ogive and
    smoothness it doesn't open crimp all the way around when
    fired. The star crimp set slug at same height so you can get
    the same amount of powder. With RMC brass these are not
    problems but with brass to get good feeding from mag rounding
    front edge of mouth helps. Sectioned picture of RMC on right
    next to our long original case to show how well it is built
    thick and strong. One of cases has 20 firings, still good..Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What others are doing hopping up loads and experimenting.
    Brett in MN uses a Mossy 835 12ga smoothbore turkey gun, but
    it is backbored 10ga size all the way out to end and has 10ga size
    choke, and he uses 12ga AQ 441gr slug with locked on basewad, from
    BPI. Using top rib bead sight only he can hit a pail 5 times in a row at
    70 yds.Amazing accuracy for overbored barrel. He uses BPI X12X seal
    plastic wad, two 1/4" white felt wads, thin card then the AQ slug,
    with 65gr of Longshot getting 2200 fps. 3.5" new cases with
    roll crimp.......I asked him check it with a scope on it sometime.

    NFG from Greybeard and Shotgunworld with pump Mossy and 18.5"
    with slug barrel. He gets a 525gr Lyman over 1800 fps with
    80gr of 4759/4227 powder. Hard alloy mix Lyman and shot one through
    17" of pine. Shown in the pic below it mushroomed to .800" and only
    lost 8gr weight. It is a wasp waisted slug that is shot from a 12ga
    regular WW12 shotcup. The skirt of the slug collapsed into the underside
    of the nose. Many guys say that these are as accurate as most
    other stuff used. He used 3" plastic, PGS wad over powder and
    WW12 wadcup with slug it. He cuts wadcup petals back to length
    of the Lyman.In pic on left you see the Lymans with hollowbase up
    and the shape of it when starting out.

    Ok I am going to get Lymans to test and Longshot to test.
    Got to see if the Longshot will get further up in velocity
    than Blue Dot. Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is a Savage 210 with bottom of action opened up
    toward the back, to take cases with 3.5" overall length.
    Slug Warrior on Shotgun World did it. Is similiar job the
    Brett in MN did, but he made his opening 3.7". I measured
    mine and they can be opened to 3.95". They also milled
    the rim guides back for controlling case feeding on longer
    cases. Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is information and reason for keeping and milling
    the rim guides back for controlling case feeding on longer
    cases.Rim guides are angled in from the sides of the opening
    toward back. As the bolt pushes top case in the mag forward the
    back of case and rim comes to where the tapers widen out so
    the case then slides up in front of the bolt.I'm fixing up my
    2nd Savage I have set up for my second 700H 3.25" belted case.
    Just to see how it will work and along with other guys
    doing it, get the info out to people.
    This work on the stock/action can be done in a vertical
    mill or good drill press. To use 3.5" plastic the opening on
    the action and magazine needs 3.25", for 2.875"" brass long loaded
    3.5", if 3.5" brass about 3.7", if 3.5" brass long loaded, 3.95".
    By long loaded I mean a slug like the Dixie 600gr that protrudes
    up to .4".The 730 gr flat wide nose slug protrudes 1/8".
    You also have to widen and smooth the ramp going into the
    front bridge so case lifts smoothly on the way into chamber.Ed
  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We get asked about putting brakes on the NEF Ultra.
    There is the concept called the internal brake that works
    nearly as good as expansion brake, with less back noise.
    Rob on AR did a couple with bunch of holes in the barrel
    in the end with the last 1.5" bored out .025" where holes
    go. Also many want more velocity in NEf and I added on
    a barrel section to mine. Combining Ideas we add smooth
    9" section of bore extension, that is same as groove diameter
    and 1.5" end of that for internal brake. Eight 1/8" holes
    top and same 45 degees to each side.And we have over
    a 100 fps in velocity gain. And with card or wad behind load
    it will seal pressure going from rifled section to smooth.
    And these types of holes won't bother wads or sabots.
    My extension is a foot longer and gets 150 fps extra.
    No need for brake in mine as the gun is 17 lbs with extra bbl.
    Here is Rob's two he fixed up, and is shooting.He has
    them reamed out longer for long 3.85" case, weight added.Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is a picture of porting holes in a 10ga NEF
    heavy long smooth barrel. Bbl 30" and 1.080" muzzle
    diameter behind the screw in choke area. This come
    with slightly extended screw in choke and is first
    10ga with long barrel as heavy as my NEF 12ga FH
    short barrel was.. OR the short NEF 10 gauges
    with heavy barrel..It came with full and mod chokes.
    The other 10ga I tested earlier, only .960" at muzzle.
    I cut choke off and put it back in leaving the barrel
    an open bore for slugs and leaving an area 1.2" long
    for an internal brake to drill all the holes in like
    Rob did with NEFs in his picture. Now the 1.2" long
    area where holes are is bigger than needed for 10 ga
    so a reamer in the making will solve that and solve a
    major big bore project for me and others who asked
    me about using the short NEF 10ga for upgrade, which
    I didn't encourage putting all that work on a short
    barrel gun, with the amounts of powder that will be
    burnt in....are you ready.......THE 8GA FH.......
    I have 8ga FH loads tested in reworked Enfield.....Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    More info on the heavy barreled gun we plan on
    making 8 gauge from. Nef SB2 103, 30" barrel,
    regular stock. 220 bucks. 100 bucks for shop to
    ream out to 8 ga smoothbore. Needs the 80 dollar
    thumbhole stock. Nice deal for a modern 8ga, using
    heavy duty plastic 3.3" long cases. I fired 6-8000
    ft lb loads in one I made on Enfield, 4 times reloaded
    without resizing cases.
    Here is other project suggested by Boomie
    on the AR big bore forum, the 16GA FH.
    Cases made by me from bmg brass. Took 5 swagings, and
    two turnings on my case spinner lathe.Two Annealings
    Got couple cases made, in picture our 3.5" case and factory
    16ga plastic case slug load. I'm getting test gun working
    now and as for a supply of cases you all will have to
    get with RMC if you want to rechamber a 16ga..Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is picture of my NEF 12GA FH as it is now,
    A while back I got tired of short barrel and
    added a foot on to it. Used breech end of left over
    Savage and a sleeve. Lined up rifling and it has
    same twist and number of rifling. Hard way to do
    it. No need for rifling, or extra line up work.
    Run many loads and it adds 150 fps with VV110,
    4759, and 4227 powders. Adds about a 100 with
    Blue Dot, and HS 7.

    Next one will be done different and easier.
    Next one will be a smoothbore add on piece of
    groove diameter, 10-12 inches long, make it one
    piece, 1 or 1 1/16" threads,about 1.2" diameter.
    Threaded 1.5" long on original barrel, and into
    add on piece, and will look like a brake and you
    could put in internal brake in the end.Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is picture Stevens Revelation 350 16ga
    now a 16GA FH. It got a 385 gr to 2000,
    which is good for gun without a real heavy
    barrel. I lengthened chamber for the
    3.5" brass cases pictured that I made from
    BMG brass. Anyone doing this can have cases
    made by RMC. Gun is weighted to 11 lbs.
    Action can handle more if barrel heavier. Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is picture of the bolt for my big gun, the 700HE.
    It is holding a 700HE long case. The caseholder extraction system
    can headspace a BMG rimless case,no belt, so you could
    put on a 12ga barrel, straighten case more, from .700 to .729"
    and have the rimless 12ga. Could straighten case for a
    .750" bore, even to 10ga(.775") with a little thinning of the
    top one inch of the case. Experimenting is interesting
    to say the least. 700 slugs in pic are 1000gr Woodleigh,
    1000gr PA, 825gr Copperhead Custom(CC), 770gr FP CC,
    1000gr HP CC, 825gr HP CC..Ed

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  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is a new heavy barreled rifled slug gun out,
    the Rossi Model S12 1230S. It will handle our heavier
    loads like the NEF. And it can have chamber lengthened
    for 3.5" plastic and RMC brass 12ga cases. Ed



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  • david5711david5711 Member Posts: 69 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    just one quick question... why?
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,187 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Because,.....he can! And that's good enough for me.
  • david5711david5711 Member Posts: 69 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    yeah i understand that, and his work is neat and all, but is there any specific application that these are intended for? (like the vast majority of widely accepted wildcats they had a niche to fill, e.g. 22-250) is there a niche for these? import car hunting? safe cracking?

    or are they pretty much like a .950 JDJ... more bang for more buck.

    I so far have read through and seen a lot of pretty pictures and a lot of statistics but really haven't gotta a grasp of what these monsters would be good for, that is why i asked why...
  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    First of all for fun.And makes holes easy to see.
    And many shotgun only, restricted by law, guys are
    using hopped up slug loads for deer and hogs.
    Couple guys plan on using long case chambered
    guns in Africa.It gets guys big bores without
    spending 10- 15 grand.

    The BPI sabot is tending toward small diameter.
    With a .512" slug it measures . 727"---So I run slug
    into die and reduced it .020". It is lead, swaged easy.
    Shot a BPI sabot with 385gr Great plains slug in 700HE
    great big gun pictured above. That Great plains slug
    was reduced .020". With 300gr of super fast ball
    powder blend in 3.85" case got over 4500.

    Using slugs with locked on bases and RG's hollowbase
    jacketed slug in 3.5" RMC brass cases in the 1887
    Win levergun. RG's 670 gr HB- 2500 . Brenekke KO
    435gr- 2700, Lightfield 460 gr- 2600 . Even got
    a 385gr in BPI sabot to target straight.Levergun has
    34" smooth barrel and with chamber for 3.5" long
    cases it is run as singleshot. Barrel is a tight smoothbore
    going from .726" to .722". Took out lifter and other
    stuff and put in a bottom style extractor I built that
    is operated by the lever at bottom of opening
    stroke. Then take cases out with fingers, thus able to
    handle long cases in a short action.Makes a real old timey,
    neat looking, single shot blaster.Ed
  • david5711david5711 Member Posts: 69 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the clarification, if making a lower cost safari round is what your after it seems like you have accomplished your goal.
  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That's the deal to get big power economically.
    You can get a Sav 210, put my 700H in it,like I did
    and with cost of heavy barrel, stockwork, etc
    and be shooting with reloading stuff and cases
    included for 1500 bucks.You can lengthen chamber on
    a NEF Ultra slug gun and have a 12GA FH for
    800 bucks- cases, reloading stuff, etc ready to
    go hunting or busting big pails of water.The thrill
    of 12,000 ft lb load in the SAvage is like driving
    a dragcar for a 7 second 1/4 mile.Ed
  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Before I posted about testing a NEF in 10ga with
    a medium heavy barrel. The newer one is better.
    It is the one I showed the ported barrel previously.
    I did some 10ga FH testing in that newer, real
    heavy barreled, NEF 10ga, that is going to soon be an
    8GA FH, after reaming out. The internal brake set up
    on the end as shown in picture above works great.
    I stopped all of the muzzle rise and cut recoil
    Gun now is 14 lbs and has thumbhole stock.
    Top load with 3.5" plastic case, 765gr slug,
    135gr of 4227, 2200 fps, 8200 ft lbs.Ed
  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    28GA FH new slug.. The Lyman cast 20ga slug made to
    fit in a 20ga shotcup for 20 ga slug hunters, works perfect
    in the 28GA FH brass case. It is a hollowbases hourglass
    shaped 362 gr slug. No wadcups or wads needed, loaded
    right on powder. It is the slug you buy the molds to cast
    your own or you can buy them from guys who cast for
    sale. I use slow rifle powders in case so no air space,
    they fill to the slugs. I got 2900 with moderate case
    expansion and it hits target straight on, from a smooth
    28ga heavy barrel on 695 Mossberg bolt action.

    Other new info on primers. Some of the guns can't have the
    firing pins or hammers beefed up easy like my Enfields
    With some magnum primers with hard cups you get delayed
    ignition if hammer doesn't have perfect hit and high strength.
    One test with a small diameter case/bore that any primer will
    ignite slow powders fine with good firing pin spring would
    show delayed ignition with shotgun battery cup style 209
    CCI Mag and 209 Federal Mag primers, and when I tested them
    in cases with just the primers, they only put in a small dent
    when they fired, but WIN 209, REM 209, RWS 209(used in
    Brenekkes, Lightfields, Hastings), dented in much more when
    firing just the primer. And with the smaller bore you had fire out
    the end of the barrel, so you could compare primer strength
    visually. The REM 209 was as good or better than CCI and FED
    209 Mag Primers. The WIN and RWS was close behind. We put
    the REM in same case/gun where that we had delayed ignition
    and it fired instantly, no delay. The two mag primer brands have
    the primer insert in cup rounded a lot and little harder metal,
    and the other 3 metal cup insert is almost flat and slightly
    softer. It is easier to get a better more solid strike and dent.
    I always figured mag primers were best in our hopped
    up shotgun loads but not anymore. It took a while but I finally got
    everything around for proper test. Hopped up loads(regular also)
    we have talked about, use REM 209, where the firing pins
    and hammers can't be strengthened. Even loads with Longshot,
    Blue Dot, Steel, HS6-7, etc.
    Hope this helps.....ED
  • hubel458hubel458 Member Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here is picture my NEF, soon to be, 8ga gun.
    It weighs 15 lbs. The hollow butt and hollows
    in the forearm are weighted. It has a neat recoil
    barrel ring I added so forearm stays put.
    It has internal brake on barrel that I picture
    earlier in thread with the porting holes.
    Second picture is a Lyman 520 gr slug on the right
    that we are testing . They go in regular 12ga shotcups,
    and many folks have good accuracy with them, even
    in smooth bores. They are hollowbase nose-heavy
    design. These are the ones you cast your own.
    And there are guys casting some for sale.
    You see two in wadcups on the right.
    On the left is my prototype of the Lyman
    style, of 900gr for our 8GA FH. Going to get a
    mold made. The base of it will fit the 8ga shotcup
    used in the kiln gun loads, and the front will be our
    smoothbore 8ga size, .832-835". I designed this
    as the flat ended kiln slug without a hollow
    base and heavy in the front, wasn't designed
    to give 100yd accuracy in a smoothbore. Ed

    8nef.jpg

    lyman8.jpg
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