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load data for 9mm
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Using 115 gr. lead bullets . I have Win 231 , but will pick another powder if need be . Picked up 1000 of these little buggers for $25.oo , so I'm gonna be doing alot of plinkin with em [8D]
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Increase only as necessary to get function of the gun.
Hope I didn't see keyholing.
Thats a great price for bullets, wish I could be so lucky.
I just checked to be sure and the DuPont Manual shows 4.5 grains of HiSkor 700X for both 115 and 124 jacketed bullets, so they should be plenty safe with lead. Agree with the recommendation to verify ANY load before you use it.
Checked the Hodgdon site and they show 3.7. I wonder if they reformulated when they bought DuPont's powder business??
I have used 4.5 grains of 700X for years. It burns cleanly and gives good function in P-35 Brownings, Springfield XD, and S&W 5906.
4.5? [:0]
quote:Originally posted by 62fuelie
I have used 4.5 grains of 700X for years. It burns cleanly and gives good function in P-35 Brownings, Springfield XD, and S&W 5906.
4.5? [:0]
4.5? WOW!! way too much!!!
http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp
quote:Originally posted by shoff14
quote:Originally posted by 62fuelie
I have used 4.5 grains of 700X for years. It burns cleanly and gives good function in P-35 Brownings, Springfield XD, and S&W 5906.
4.5? [:0]
4.5? WOW!! way too much!!!
Yep, I would have to look in my journal for my 115 lead load, but my 124 and 125 grain load is 3.2 and it is HOT.
stop at 4.1 grs as a hot load for JACKETED 115gr bullets. Almost all loads for the lead bullets suggest less. With best accuracy at at 1000 fps or close to it.
Normally the amount of powder of this load would be associated with a very fast powder, AA2, titegroup, etc. Yet 231 and this 700x is slower and with 700x you use almost 20percent less. How new is this powder and does anyone agree with my thinking that you are getting more for less with it?
My load for 9mm is what I said above, 4gr of 231 with a 125gr lead truncated bullet,, and it is "light" but accurate! I load about 1000 rounds a month and compete on a weekly basis. I usually go with the saying of "if it works don't fix it" of most things in life but this 700x has my intrigued!
I would like to hear any comments of regular/experienced users of this powder.
Not trying to hi-jack this but 9mm has always given me more accuracy and function issues with loading lead than 40 or 45 has.
It is a large flake powder and does not meter particularly well in 4 grain pistol loads. If you want your powder drops to be within a tenth of a grain, 700X is not for you. A vibrator (I use a cheap aquarium air pump strapped to the measure.) improves consistency but it is still not as uniform as a Ball powder.
The burn rate chart is deceptive, 700X is substantially faster than 231, as the actual load data shows.
I have also used shotgun powders for pistol loading. Red dot, Unique, Green dot, and lately Promo which is what I have been using for .45auto. Anyone have any experience with this. Maybe I should start a new thread about coarse flake powders in pistol loads.
700x is a true flake powder, it doesn't meter great. However, I have found that I can get it to meter with in .1 if I follow the following method. Dump powder, two good taps on the powder measure and a strong up stroke to rattle it a little more. I also keep the hoppers 3/4 or higher.
700x is must faster powder then 231/HP38. I have loaded it in 9mm and 45. Although it is not the most ideal powder for 9mm I continue to use it in every plinking round I shoot. It is cheap! Our local pawn/reloading shop keeps it for $12/lb. That is almost 5 dollars cheaper then 231/HP38. I can load 2100 cartridges with 125 grain lead bullets. It keeps the cost down to where I am shooting 9mm for 9 cents a round.
Hi-Scor 700x is actually listed as slower on the Handloads burn rate chart than 231. That really makes me wonder about relying on their information!
Shooting lead bullets in 9mm is problematic with fast powders in my experience. Even with Precision coated bullets my friends have had erratic results with Titegroup. I have used 231 on a regular basis now and have never looked back. I know its more pricey than some others but it works well. Whats the point of spending all that money on bullets when they make a shotgun pattern at 30 feet?
Added info...
I can not find my info on the 700x powder. IIRC, 700x reaches peak pressure faster than the burn charts, {that are a 'closed bomb' test} would indicate when compared to similar powders. An example would be two cars traveling 2 mile distance at the posted speed limit of 70mph. A corvette will get to 70mph faster than a yugo, but at the end of the 2 mile trip both are going 70mph.
I think you are saying that the 700x is smaller [charge weight] and more effecient [power to charge ratio] than other powders in the same burn rate?
I know that after WWII there were some rifle powders developed that were smaller and slower burning than some of the larger stick powders of the day. 748 comes to mind. The 308 cartridge was only developed because of the effeciency of these new powders.
I've never used 700x, but the idea of a more-effecient pistol powder intrigues me.