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.357 vs .44 mag?
dennbi
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I am new to getting into cowboy shooting and don't have a lot of money for a lever action rifle. I have .357 pistols but .357 lever actions are more than .44mag lever action and I could occasionally use the 44mag lever to hunt with, but the 44 ammo is twice as expensive and I do not reload.Is there a better reason for one over the other aside from the cost of the ammo?
Also I like a 24" barrel, would that be too long for cowboy shooting?
I think 24" would be better for hunting if I just had one rifle to do both?
Thanks
DB
Also I like a 24" barrel, would that be too long for cowboy shooting?
I think 24" would be better for hunting if I just had one rifle to do both?
Thanks
DB
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DB
Since I have a a$$load of 38 and 357 brass, I prefer the .357 rifle.
They cost $100 more here in western NY.
lots to think about
dennbi
I have not experienced the problem with .357 Magnum or .38 S&W Special catridges jamming up my Uberti (Taylor distributed) Winchester Model 1873 lever action reproduction rifle such as melkor is experiencing. Generally speaking, you are not going to be mishandling the gun anyway and should not experience the problems associated with holding the guns at odd angles or if you short stroke the gun. Jamming up these things is usually an issue associated with the gun not functioning properly.
Hunting? Many states don't allow the use of handgun ammo for hunting, so make sure yours does. If yours does, .357 is obviously not as powerful as .44 Magnum, but it will humanely kill bear and deer if you do your part. Be sure to check your state's game laws, as I said. If you want to hunt and cannot use the rifle chambered in a handgun cartridge, then you'll need to get a separate gun to hunt with. In that case, I'd get a Winchester Model 94 in caliber .30-30 Winchester or a Marlin Model 1895 in caliber .45-70 Government. That way you can both hunt and use the gun for the occasional CAS long range events.
For Cowboy Action Shooting (CAS), most people shoot either .38 S&W Special or .45 Colt (a.k.a. [incorrectly] .45 Long Colt). Some shoot .44-40, which I believe can be chambered in the .44 magnum chamber okay. The .38 caliber rifles and most of the .38 revolvers are chambered in .357 magnum (some revolvers, like my US firearms revolvers are chambered only for .38 S&W Special, however). Most of the CAS shooters shoot .38 S&W Special for cost and recoil reasons. In normal CAS/SASS competition you will be shooting 60 rounds through your rifle at each shoot, plus practice. So, you have to ask yourself where you do most of your shooting, which almost every time is going to be CAS and practice. The economics of shooting .38 vs. the larger calibers is going to weigh heavily on the side of the .38 caliber (.357 Mag and .38 S&W Special) caliber. You will wind up reloading and the cost difference between reloading .38 vs. .44 or .45 is sizable.
Buy your rifle through Taylors or Cimmaron and get it exactly the way you want. Look at their online catalogs for all the variations. You will probably have to order the gun through your local gun store.
The 24-inch barrel is too long for CAS and probably too long for hunting, as well. You want a barrel 18" to 20" long for CAS, for sure and it will work just fine for hunting. You want the octagonal barrel (because it is heavier) instead of the round or half-round barrel. The heavier, octagonal barrel will pay big dividends in holding a steady aim when moving quickly though the targets or holding aim on an animal in the field.
DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT THE 24" BARREL BEING MORE ACCURATE THAN THE 20" OR EVEN THE 18" BARREL. For the range these guns were designed for (essentially 100 to 150 yards and up to 200 yards), there just is no difference in accuracy. The sighting radius can be a bit of an issue, but I believe it is more than made up for in the better handling characteristics of the shorter gun.
These Uberti reproduction Winchester lever guns are deadly accurate. My 18" octagonal Taylor's gun is a tack driver at 100 yards. With the low-powered CAS loads you may have to alter your vertical point of aim or change the adjustment of the rear sight, but with the kind of shooting you will be shooting in CAS and practice, you will be able to instinctively make the adjustment easily without adjusting the rear sight.
And NO, the 44-40 will not work in 44 magnum rifles. The rim is bigger (same as 45 Colt). The 44-40 is also a bottle necked cartridge. If you want reduced loads for CAS shooting in a 44 mag then use 44 Specials.
I dumped my '94 'Trail's End' in .357, not because of feeding problems, but generally quality problems. There was so much side-wobble in the lever that I found my fingers were being pinched between the lever and the bottom tang as I closed my grip when working the lever. I have a collection of pre-'64 and pre-war '94's that this never happens with, as the guns were properly made.
Once again, dennbi, if you are new to CAS, get a short-barreled rifle/carbine as I noted earlier, either a reproduction Winchester Model 1866, 1873(suggested) or 1892 in either .357Mag/.38Special(suggested), .44-40 or .45 Colt. Often you can pick them up used from someone who is unhappy with his gun. In that case, I would test it by firing 100 rounds through it (not all at once, please). Work the action fast and slow both. Any sticking, jamming, sloppiness.....pass on it. You can save a few hundred dollars by buying a good used gun, with the emphasis on "good".