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.410 shotgun shell: caliber or gauge debate
mrmike08075
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.410 shotgun shell
I always referred to it as .410 gauge
But it's not a gauge - incorrect classification
It's supposed to be .410 caliber cause it's a caliber
Parse your words - nomenclature nonsense
I stole from his topic from a magazine cause it irritates me
The system of gauges and how they are classified and we're the number come from is quite interesting
It's capacity of lead shot of a certain size and weight - based on a standard length of hull
Every other shotshell is a gauge but the .410 is an / a caliber per the rules
Why??? And if you used the original formula or approved classification method what gauge would the .410 caliber be???
I suppose it's a meaningless technicality
What say you - how about an old fashioned back and forth debate that results in name calling and members declaring they are leaving or folks getting a time out from the good Capt or locked out.
A pot stirring thread maybe.
Mike
I always referred to it as .410 gauge
But it's not a gauge - incorrect classification
It's supposed to be .410 caliber cause it's a caliber
Parse your words - nomenclature nonsense
I stole from his topic from a magazine cause it irritates me
The system of gauges and how they are classified and we're the number come from is quite interesting
It's capacity of lead shot of a certain size and weight - based on a standard length of hull
Every other shotshell is a gauge but the .410 is an / a caliber per the rules
Why??? And if you used the original formula or approved classification method what gauge would the .410 caliber be???
I suppose it's a meaningless technicality
What say you - how about an old fashioned back and forth debate that results in name calling and members declaring they are leaving or folks getting a time out from the good Capt or locked out.
A pot stirring thread maybe.
Mike
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And yes, the .410 is a caliber, written with a decimal and referring directly to bore diameter in inches. We just got in the habit of calling all shotgun sizes gauges.
I have seen ammo and guns marked as .410 gauge which of course is wrong...
Plus there is a 9mm rimfire shotshells that is part paper hull and part cartridge case that also does not get named as a gauge either I think...
Don't get me started on American verses European cartridge naming systems...
Or why a the .38 special and .357 magnum both use the same diameter bullet but were named differently
Please continue
Mike
of the bore it takes to weigh one pound
Or why a the .38 special and .357 magnum both use the same diameter bullet but were named differently
Please continue
Mike
Both the .38 Special and the .357 Magnum use bullets of the same diameter. The '.38 Special' uses the OD of the case for a 'size'.
The .38 Special also pre-dates the .357 Magnum by quite a few years (decades).
In the past I tried to explain this to a German engineer and his Physics prof neighbor since the GE has a Marlin 38/357 rifle. This led to the PP asking if he could shoot 30-30s, 270s, and 308s out of his 1903 Springfield.
Harrington Richardson's first ".410" was marked .44/.410, so it appears maybe they were confused too.[:)]
One of these days I'm gonna research the 'shot shells' and their usefulness in the center of the below display ,,,,,,,,
forgemonkey, that's a Nice collection!
Those little ones were for "Garden Guns", light weight single shots, so Ma could keep the varmints out of her garden.
As far as the NAMING of cartridges, you have to remember that in some cases, the MARKETING department had a hand in things, and logic does not always apply. Look at how many rounds include the name of a gun company- no matter who made the gun, the name or initials of the creating company got marked on the gun. Millions of revolvers NOT made by Smith & Wesson bear the mark 38 S&W CTG.
And do not discount human vanity. I'm convinced that the .45 GAP cartridge was created just so that Gaston would have his name on a cartridge. [:D]
And frankly, it is easier to say 8mm Mauser than "seven point nine two Mauser" and a "Nine point three mm Makarov" just does not have the same snappiness as a 9mm Mak.
Rocky, have never seen a 36 gauge shotshell, but have half a box of 32 gauge birdshot. Popular in South America. Also have 9mm shotgun shells- close to 36 CALIBER.
And isn't it ".410 Bore?" ...as in .410" bore diameter?
So now it's gauge and caliber and bore to choose from or use incorrectly
I am sticking with gauge cause that's what my brain goes to and makes sense to me even if it's grammatically incorrect
Mike
OK you went and made it worse...
So now it's gauge and caliber and bore to choose from or use incorrectly
I am sticking with gauge cause that's what my brain goes to and makes sense to me even if it's grammatically incorrect
Mike
Yep, it's really .410 caliber, but the industry has changed the term to 410 Ga. That just happens sometimes with things. Why do we purchase motor oil, and put it in an engine?
Common usage beats out logic almost every time. [;)]
I think the next time I am in my local gun store I will request a box of 67 gauge shotshells and take a look at the clerk's expression of confusion. [;)]
If I read you correctly, you're wrong about gauge. It has nothing whatever to do with hull length or capacity. Gauge refers indirectly to bore diameter because gauge is based on the number of pure lead balls of a given diameter that equal one pound. That's why a 10 gauge is a whole lot bigger than a 20 gauge - it takes half as many larger lead balls to make that pound.
And yes, the .410 is a caliber, written with a decimal and referring directly to bore diameter in inches. We just got in the habit of calling all shotgun sizes gauges.
That is exactly what my dad taught me.
SxS's and Drillings were common firearms. 12 Gauge, would be a smooth bore shotgun barrel, and a 12 Bore, would be a rifled 12 gauge barrel. SxS's could have one or both barrels rifled, in either case he referred to them as a 12 bore. No rifling in either barrel, a 12 gauge.
We got on the subject when he was showing me some brass cases that were loaded with slugs, and pulled a small artillery round out of the box and called it a 4 Bore. He had the 4, 8, 10, 12, and 16 bore rounds.
One of the 4 bore cartridges was loaded with a conical bullet, the other with a round ball. When I asked about the round ball, he said they worked better in the smooth bore gun. "But why is it called a 4 bore if the barrels aren't rifled?" I forgot what my question was when he pulled out an ornately engraved Cape gun, and never got his answer.
Started off as a smoothbore, and partway down the barrel, rifling started.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_and_shot_gun
Same reason the 218 Bee, 219 Zipper, 220 Swift, 221 Fireball, 222 Remington, 223 Remington, 224 Weatherby and 225 Winchester all use .224 diameter bullets.
That shotshell board looks like a Scattergun Pachinko machine..[:o)] I like it!
And isn't it ".410 Bore?" ...as in .410" bore diameter?
That's what I always refer to it as.
.410 shotgun shell
I always referred to it as .410 gauge
But it's not a gauge - incorrect classification
It's supposed to be .410 caliber cause it's a caliber
Parse your words - nomenclature nonsense
I stole from his topic from a magazine cause it irritates me
The system of gauges and how they are classified and we're the number come from is quite interesting
It's capacity of lead shot of a certain size and weight - based on a standard length of hull
Every other shotshell is a gauge but the .410 is an / a caliber per the rules
Why??? And if you used the original formula or approved classification method what gauge would the .410 caliber be???
I suppose it's a meaningless technicality
What say you - how about an old fashioned back and forth debate that results in name calling and members declaring they are leaving or folks getting a time out from the good Capt or locked out.
A pot stirring thread maybe.
Mike
This is pretty much what we do best!!!!
I have always just called them a 410 period...............
[:D] That's what my ole lady used to call her time of the month![:0]