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A conspiracy theory I've been working on. Mostly new material.

SoreShoulderSoreShoulder Member Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭
edited June 2020 in Politics
While the details I've worked out may be found lacking by serious historians, the blockade of Southern shipping by the North, the South's embargo of its own cotton, and the destruction of the Southern economy by Sherman mean we should not take for granted that all of today's American blacks are actually the descendants of slaves.   

Many if not most slaves may have starved to death during the war.  Food may have been shorter in the South than the history books tell.   Besides that, many slaves were probably sold during the war so the South could buy weapons.  The blacks we have today may be in part descended from replacements secretly brought in with the government's help so the South could continue to be the source of the nation's cash exports. 

The slaves could have been replaced in postwar generations by large Southern landowners who needed a workforce, didn't want to pay white men a fair wage, and might have hated the free men of the South for helping lose the war.  Rich industrialists might have also brought in a few.  Colonial Africa might have been a much worse place than the racist US at the time and might have looked attractive to some Africans even if they knew our society would not treat them as equals at the time.  Deals might have been made between the US government and some of the Southern planters even before the end of the war to help them rebuild their economy and keep the South exporting the agricultural goods which gave the US its trade surplus.  

The replacements could have come from Liberia, or they could have been schooled in how to talk like ex slaves by Liberians.  They could have been running from colonial oppression like the Belgian Congo or German Angola or tribal warfare, starvation, or disease.  They would have paid to learn how to talk like Americans.  

If the government aided and abetted large southern landowners in re-establishing the nation's cash exports, they may also have aided them by getting Segregation passed into law until the slaves' replacements learned to speak without foreign accents.  Maybe I'm obsessed with my theory but when I hear recordings of civil rights leaders speak of segregation when it was still in living memory, they seem to be hiding something.  

It is well known that the South tried to practice "Cotton Diplomacy" by embargoing its own cotton crop from Europe.  There were also said to be vigilance committees of Southerners who blocked cotton exports in order to manipulate the value of certain bonds.  They probably had to import at least some of their food even in good times because it may have made more sense to do so than to grow food on land that was well suited to more lucrative crops.   If there was no money coming in, there would have been no way to buy food.  The North also blockaded Southern ports which would have hampered all exports and imports.

The rich plantation owners would have realized they should sell their slaves if they could.  If they didn't get money for weapons, they were probably going to lose and have to give the slaves up for free.  They knew they could always buy more slaves after the war even on credit because it was known the South was good for making money.  The South would not be able to export goods grown by slaves until after they won the war.

The slave traders could have run the Northern blockade easier than other goods.  Bales of cotton and hogsheads of tobacco need to be loaded onto ships in ports but slaves could walk to any point on a coastline and be rowed out to waiting ships in small boats.  They might have been sold throughout Latin America and the Caribbean.  Perhaps the war would have ended sooner if this had not been taking place because the South would have run out of money, weapons, and food faster.  

The Emancipation Proclamation may have been an attempt to render the slaves less salable to governments that had not yet recognized the Confederacy, in order to deprive the Union's enemy of gold which they could use to buy weapons.  

Sherman's march may have also been an attempt to break the slave pens so the slaves could not be sold.  It destroyed much of the South's economy so it would have worsened starvation.  Sherman's soldiers probably weren't carrying or foraging enough food to feed all the runaway slaves.  It may have happened after the Emancipation Proclamation but the slaves might still have been valuable on the black market.  

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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,453 ✭✭✭✭
    Just had an uprising here in Columbia the other day with a few riots. Sheriff Dept put a stop to that nonsense real fast ..and of course some of them complained when shot with rubber bullets. Sheriff Lott's when asked by reporters if the Sheriff Dept shot anyone. ... Yes we did and the Rubber bullets were very effective.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia,_South_Carolina_in_the_American_Civil_War

  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,664 ✭✭✭✭
    The end of the civil war saw mass migration of black families to the northern states where work was available and slavery never existed.
    What ever the issues were before the 13th Amendment was passed or the Emancipation Proclamation was made is totally irrelevant to Americans living today.  Since 1964 we have transferred many trillions to Black Americans.  By doing so we destroyed the Black two parent family, re-enslaved the black Americans, but this time to the Federal Government.  We have seen quota hire laws, set asides and affirmative action laws yet nothing changes.  I don't care where people came from or how they got here we are all supposed to be Americans first.  People of all races need to understand this, other races do just fine, Chinese, Europeans and even Arabs seem to do okay if they assimilate to the American standards and way of life.
    Unfortunately white people alive today are still held responsible and blamed for perceived injustice that ended by and large over 5 generations ago.
    Black folks, our fellow Americans, need to abandon the extremely racist "professional victim culture" of fixing the blame on others and get on with the American dream.  Individual freedom coupled with individual responsibility, along with hard work is all it takes.  Until the Black American culture changes nothing will improve no matter how much money is given for the perceived issues faced in large city black populations.
  • MrMag00MrMag00 Member Posts: 532 ✭✭✭
    Just buy a tractor. 
  • HighContrastHighContrast Member Posts: 4

    Interesting. Over the entire slave trade barely 200k were brought here.

  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,460 ✭✭✭✭
    Anything is possible.
    Well, almost anything, I guess.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
     Reparations for Blacks will be the last straw for The USA and its humongous debt creations. Given small business billions free of charge when there are no jobs and The Feds buying stocks and bonds like money was water then the train is already off the rails heading over the cliff in  my opinion.
                      Trump wants to extend the unemployment benefits for another six months to have an election and be the winner before the country goes into bankruptcy. That what he does the best in business goes broke and stiffs the investors. This time the tax payers savings will be given a huge haircut for all the past giveaways. He will be a lame duck. anyway and give us a catch/22 while he is in The catbird seat.
                                       serf
  • mohawk600mohawk600 Member Posts: 5,373 ✭✭✭✭

    Interesting. Over the entire slave trade barely 200k were brought here.

    "rabbitt-like" reproduction?
  • hobo9650hobo9650 Member Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭
    People don't want to talk about the white slaves.  It was so expensive to travel to the "new country" that most people were "bonded" to wealthy people if their fare was paid.  This was a legal bonding for x number of years depending upon how much total fare was. The bonded people came to the new country and worked for their keeper more or less as a slave.  These bonded people were white.

    Want to read some interesting stuff, read about the civil war of 1642 - Sep 3, 1651.  Many of the people on the losing side (my ancestors included) fled to the "new country" because the roundheads (soldiers of the queen) were hunting them.  My ancestors arrived between 1653 and 1656, changed their name in fear of the roundheads here in this country, who still had the authority of the "queen".

    I'm thinking the people who represented the queen in the new country wanted to continue ruling the South and that is one primary reason for the Civil War.  

    Info:  More Indians married blacks than whites because Indians were treated as slaves and seldom respected by whites.  Ever notice that most people who claim Indian heritage always say their grandmother (normally false) was married to an Indian.  Females are harder to trace than males because of the name change.


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