Rifle lost in transit..... Responsibilities/ Return buyer's $$$ ?????

Redbear57Redbear57 Member Posts: 61 ✭✭
edited August 27 in Ask the Experts
I sold a long gun thru  Gun Broker and the buyer paid and I shipped the rifle via U.S.Mail, insured in early August. Now it appears that the rifle is hung up/ lost within the postal system. The rifle has been "in transit" for  19 days and it appears that it is stuck in one location. I have started a CLAIM with the Post Office, but that could take some time  before anything happens.  I have keep the buyer appraised of the issue, but he is now requesting his money back. He said that he would notify his dealer to not accept the rifle and have it returned to the sender, should it show up...... Am I obligated to return the buyers money at this point or is there another way to consider??........  .... I have advised the P.O. that if the rifle does not show up, I will have to report the loss to the local Sheriff's dept. and the F.B.I. ... ........ any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated, thanks.


  • Ricci.WrightRicci.Wright Member Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭✭
    I would probably refund the buyers money, I usually offer a three day inspection, but  probably not until I had the rifle back in my hands. I just went through this with the USPS but thankfully it was a set of files and not a firearm. In my case the dimensions of my package changed, got larger, but the USPS issued a partial refund. My guess is they damaged my original package and repacked it. I would try to talk to the postmaster at the last location and see if they could help. Good luck and please let us know the conclusion.
  • mark christianmark christian Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 23,010 ******
    edited August 27
    I had a similar situation on the CMP Forum with a WRA barrels receiver which I purchased from a forum member. The receiver got "stuck" in one location for two weeks. The seller initiated a claim and offered me an immediate refund, but all that meant was that I'd get my money back...I wanted the rifle! I rode it out and after 10 days more the rifle "broke out" and began moving again. The box arrived battered and beaten, but the seller's packing job prevented any damage to the rifle. 

    If your buyer wants his money back, give it to him, but don't be surprised if the rifle mysteriously appears at his dealer. 
  • us55840us55840 Member Posts: 31,622 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27
    I've sent insured packages thru USPS and twice, the package was lost.
    Filing the insurance claim was useless.  The insurer has a short window from shipping date to file a claim and once that window is passed, you are out of luck.  I think it's 30 days from mailing.
    USPS insurance is as useless as teats on a boar.
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,372 ✭✭✭
    edited August 27
    A package that I shipped is stuck in the Bowling Green, OH post office --- for 15 days, & holding.
    I think that all of us have gotten wet because of a whizzing contest between the PMG, the President, & the postal workers union.  We will all get our packages delivered eventually, but there has not been a whole lot of pressure put on the President by the public.
    I am going to email the PMG with a copy to the White House.  (I usually send complaints about the USPS by mail, but, in this case, email is more likely to get through.)
    Reporting a stolen firearm?   That's a job for the Postal Inspection service.  They will bust the ovaries of any USPS employee found to be complicit.
  • MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member Posts: 9,301 ✭✭✭
    I had a similar experience with usps 'priority mail', they said "21 days is normal delivery". I would not send a refund until you have the gun 'back in hand'.
  • mac10mac10 Member Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭
    3 guns out for delivery today 2 days ahead of time said
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 35,113 ******
    Start the trace, follow tracking history, and be patient.  I would not return the buyer's money until the situation is resolved, one way or the other.
  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 14,397 ✭✭✭
    Go to a USPS outlet, a major one and they can pull up the last time it scanned and also they have a photo of it. They will put a tracer on it and see what happens. The same thing happened to me and it sat over two weeks until I did what I just said. They have photos now of all packages going through there system, quite amazing.
  • truthfultruthful Member Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭
    A few weeks ago I had a similar problem with UPS (not USPS) with an insured shipment coming to me several hundred miles from Kansas City, MO. Everything went fine until it arrived at the UPS distribution center 30 miles from me. Then it just disappeared. It was impossible to get any response from UPS to any of my inquiries on their web site, email, or phone. I was just totally ignored. Finally, I sent a registered letter to the UPS home office describing the problem and giving them 48 hours to get the package to me or I was going to report the theft to local, state, and federal authorities. I got my package the next day.
  • forgemonkeyforgemonkey Member Posts: 20,459 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27
    us55840 said:
    I've sent insured packages thru USPS and twice, the package was lost.
    Filing the insurance claim was useless.  The insurer has a short window from shipping date to file a claim and once that window is passed, you are out of luck.  I think it's 30 days from mailing.
    USPS insurance is as useless as teats on a boar.
    Might wanna broaden your horizons,,,,,,,,,

    As Useless as Teats on a Boar – Selecting for Teat Numbers in Swine

    Dr. Colleen Lewis / March 29, 2017

    Euphemisms are very common in farm life: the early bird gets the worm, don’t count your chickens before they hatch, and why buy the milk if you own the cow? My favorite euphemism is “as useless as teats on a boar.” What??? This is preposterous; teats are very important in the breeding world of pigs. While the euphemism is somewhat true, it does not matter how many teats we find on a boar’s belly. What matters is the number and placement of teats that he will genetically pass down to his daughters.

    A gilt is born with a set number of teats; selection for replacement gilts by teat numbers can be as early as five days after birth.  The heritability of teats on a sow comes from her parents. So, this is where the importance of a boar’s teats comes into play. He will typically have between 8 and 14 teats, but his genetic predisposition to have a certain number of teats is highly heritable. If a gilt’s parents carry the genes for 8 teats each, it is likely she will be born with 8 teats and will struggle to feed a larger litter of pigs.  In highly productive herds, the average sow has 10 to 12 baby pigs. The average sow has 10 teats. Selecting for 12 teats in replacement gilts will gradually increase the average number of teats in future gilt litters. Boar teat numbers are equally important; selecting for optimal teat numbers in boars will influence the herd’s genetic progress.

    There are several factors related to the ability of baby pigs to survive on a sow: vigor, ability of the sow to produce milk, ………and having a teat to latch on to. The goal of a piglet after birth is to pop up, dry off and find their first meal of warm colostrum. If a sow delivers 15 baby pigs and only has 8 teats, “there’s no room at the Inn!” Another euphemism. There are not enough seats at the dinner table; there are not enough teats for the later born piglets to get their first meal. This is a recipe for disaster. Piglets that may have thrived on a sow with more teats, are fraught with competition and may struggle to survive. Many of the smaller, weaker pigs will perish due to lack of calories and nutrition, or succumb to secondary disease resulting from failure of passive transfer (FPT).

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