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California bill Update.

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CALIFORNIA ANTI-GUN LEGISLATION TO BE HEARD SOON!

Please Continue to Contact Legislators!



Assembly Bill 352 was not heard today. Instead, AB 352 is now expected to be heard on the Assembly floor this Thursday, May 12. AB 352 expands the definition of "unsafe handguns" to include semi-automatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with an array of microscopic characters, which identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched into the interior surface or internal working parts, which are then transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired. Please continue to contact members of the Assembly before Thursday, May 12, asking them to oppose AB 352. Assembly Members can be reached at (916) 319-20 then your district number. You can find further contact information on your elected officials by using the "Write Your Representatives" tool at www.nraila.org.

Senate Bill 357 would establish a program requiring serialization of handgun ammunition to be enforced by the Department of Justice. The manufacture, transfer, and possession of non-serialized handgun ammunition after July 1, 2007 would be considered a crime. SB 357 would also require ammunition vendors and manufacturers to register with the Department of Justice. This anti-gun legislation is waiting to be heard in the Senate Appropriations Committee. Please continue to contact members of the committee at (916) 651-4101 and urge them to oppose SB 357.

Please encourage your friends, family, and fellow sportsmen to contact their Legislators, as well!









" Those who give up a little freedom for temporary security, deserve neither freedom nor security "
- Benjamin Franklin

Comments

  • nomadictaonomadictao Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I wrote her a good letter yesterday. I hope it has an effect.
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Heard on Fox News this morning that the California legislature approved SB357, the serialization of handgun ammunition. Also, according to Fox, some ammunition manufacturers are saying the just won't ship ammo to California anymore.

    What a crock! I guess our only option now is to try to get Arnold to veto it. I'm writing him today to ask him to veto it. This stupid, obviously anti-gun law (the anti-gunners are trying to pass it off as a pro-law enforcement measure but its obviously anti-gun) is only going to do 3 things:

    1 - Raise the price of ammo from the manufacturers who comply
    2 - Reduce the number of manufacturers who sell ammo in
    California because some of them won't want to bother, making
    ammo harder to get by law abiding citizens
    3 - Since it takes effect 2 years from now, all of us who have a lot
    of ammo on hand are going to have to either sell it and ship it
    out of state before July 1, 2007 or are going to have to do a
    lot of shooting over the next couple of years

    I don't even see what good serial numbers on bullets will do. These serial numbers are going to have to be microscopic to fit on a bullet base and most bullets get so mashed and damaged when they hit their target that forensics investigators will have a hard time finding the damn serial numbers anyway. Also, bad guys will illegally import un-serialized ammo for their needs, so the real criminals won't even be affected. Its just another attempt by the anti-gunners to make gun ownership and more difficult. If they can't do away with guns, they figure they'll just make it as tough as possible to own and enjoy shooting them, one way or another. Makes me sick!
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here's the email I just sent to California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger:

    ____________________________________________________________________
    Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,
    It's my understanding that the legislature recently approved SB-357, a new law that would require the serialization of handgun ammunition starting July 2, 2007. This law is nothing more than a rather cynical attempt by those who do not believe that citizens should have the individual right to keep and bear arms, to make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to own and legally use their firearms for sport, recreation and self defense. It will have very little effect on criminal behavior, because as we all know, criminals do not do things in a legal manner. Criminals will simply start illegally importing non-serialized ammunition for black market sale to other criminals.
    Only the law abiding citizen will be affected by this measure due to inevitably higher prices of serialized ammunition, as manufacturers pass their increased costs onto the consumer. Also, ammunition will become more difficult to acquire due to the probability that many manufacturers will simply discontinue distributing their products in our state because of the increased manufacturing costs and the associated difficult manufacturing processes which will result. Additionally, those citizens who legally own current non-serialized ammunition will be left with a difficult disposal problem should they be unable to use all of the ammunition which they currently possess, before the law takes effect.
    I know that as a member of the Republican Party, you support The Second Amendment of our Great Constitution as an individual right to keep and bear arms. I urge you to continue to use the common sense you've aptly displayed since your election and veto this ridiculous legislation.
    _____________________________________________________________________

    I sure hope it helps. I urge any and all concerned Californians or anyone else who believes this type of law to be rediculous and unnecessary, to contact Governor Schwarzenegger and let him know how you feel too. Here's a link:

    http://www.govmail.ca.gov/
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    If they can sneak in truck-loads of illegal mexicans, they sure as he!! can sneak in truck-loads of unserialized ammo for the organized/and or determined criminal element.

    4lizad
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Exactly tr fox!
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    I hold 'bout the same opinion of gun owners living in Californacation as I do the British.
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    Ah, Highball. I feel confident there are thousands of California gun owners living there that are just as good a person as you or I. They are just overwhelmed.

    4lizad
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    I know a couple of 'em over there in that hellhole. I NEVER resist a chance to 'rub 'em raw'...[:D]
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's not the gun owners in California of which I sadly am one, that are the problem. We're just as dedicated to gun rights as anyone. It's the liberal sweeties who want to make everyone "safe" that are the problem. We seem to have more of them here than people with common sense. It sucks. I may have to move. I'm getting pretty sick of it but part of me feels like I should stay here and fight for our rights.
  • 65gto38965gto389 Member Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think we should do with california what Alice Krige (Borg Queen) said in first contact; "Tear it from your flesh as you would a defective circuit".









    " Those who give up a little freedom for temporary security, deserve neither freedom nor security "
    - Benjamin Franklin
  • WoundedWolfWoundedWolf Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As of 10 months ago, I am an ex-Californian. I am now proud to be a Nevadan, although we too are quickly being overwhelmed by the California exodus. Unfortunately, it is not the Constitutional oppression of California that is driving most people out of the state, it is the greed of finding cheaper housing. This means that new Nevadans ARE NOT leaving their liberal politics at the state line. All be warned in the West, the plague is on the move. Oregon and Washington are long lost to the Libs. New Mexico is on the brink (a blue state in 2000), and Arizona, Nevada, and Idaho are under attack. Think of the current population of your state, then realize that there are 40 MILLION people living in California (12% of the nation), which the majority are ardent Liberals.

    Before you mock those that have been stomped under the oppressive boots of the Left-wing radicals, realize that YOU are next. I grew up in the Central San Joaquin Valley of California, which has more in common with the Mid-West than it ever will with LA or SF. Because the population is fewer than the many more MILLIONS in LA or the Bay Area, there are still MILLIONS of people living in the California Heartland with the same values as you and me, that are being oppressed by those willing to goose-step right along with the insane Communo-Social radicals that are in charge of the state government.

    I was lucky. I don't have any kids yet, I was able to find a new job and pick up sticks with my wife. Others in my family are not as fortunate. Is my dad supposed to shut down his business of 25-years and hope to start over in another state at age 65? The pro-gun folks that are trapped in California are very important to our movement. They are our people "on the inside", behind the Iron Curtain. They will form our resistance movement when the time comes to win back their rights (either by political force or other).

    Don't mock them. Now is the time that we need each other the most.

    -WW

    EDIT: My math was incorrect, California makes up 7.5% of the national population.

    wwsm.GIF
    "...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."

    -The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    Good one Woundedwolf. I couldn't agree more.

    4lizad
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here's the response I got from the Governor:
    _________________________________________________________________

    Thank you for emailing and sharing your comments on SB 357.

    California was built by the ingenuity and hard work of its people, and our great
    State continues to thrive because of their involvement and commitment.

    I greatly appreciate receiving input from my fellow Californians. Taking the
    time to communicate your opinions and offer suggestions is essential to good
    citizenship and good government.

    Again, thank you for taking the time to write. I value the comments of people
    like you who care about the future of California.

    Sincerely,

    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    _________________________________________________________________

    Nothing about his position though. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    forthhorseman,
    At least you tried.

    Talk about a FORM letter response.
    NO surprise there.

    The gene pool needs chlorine.
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was a little disappointed. Even Dianne Frankenstein's response to a letter I sent her a couple of years ago was a personal response that actually answered my questions. They weren't the answers I really wanted to hear but at least they were specific answers to specific questions. Schwarzenegger's letter is obviously a form letter that they just added "SB357" to the opening line. Anyway, we'll see what happens and if Schwarzenegger doesn't veto SB357 then he's definitely lost my support. He'll be a traitor to the Republican Party if he goes along with this assinine law.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    forthhorseman Posted - 06/07/2005 : 1:55:59 PM
    quote: He'll be a traitor to the Republican Party if he goes along with this assinine law.
    Excuse ME ?...This is the party that has its head in Washington..on record as supporting the AW Ban ?

    Your statement would be correct if it said.." Traitor to America "...the Republican Party sold out LONG ago.
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How do you figure the GOP supports the AWB? Wasn't it the Republicans in Congress that kept the Brady Bill from being renewed and isn't it the Republicans in Congress who are pushing the Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act that will protect firearms manufacturers from senseless law suits? Also, wasn't it John Ashcroft, a Republican, that publicly stated that it is the position of the US DOJ that The Second Amendment recognises and individual right to keep and bear arms and wasn't it Ashcroft who ordered that background check information be deleted within a certain period of time rather than being kept indefinitely? The Republicans are by no means perfect but they certainly are more likely to support Second Amendment rights than anyone else in power. Schwarzenegger already vetoed two anti-gun bills since becoming governor but he did betray us once by signing California's .50BMG rifle ban into law. I'm willing to give him one more chance but if he blows it this time with SB357 and/or AB352 then he is a traitor and I'll stop supporting him.
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    Some very good points above.

    4lizad
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    President Bush is on record as supporting the AWB.

    The Brady Bill was passed with the vote of Bob Dole. I could go on...but for the true believers..facts mean little.
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm not saying there aren't some sell out Republicans. I was just saying that in general we have a better chance with the Republicans than we do with the Democommies.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    I would ask you to check your hole card.

    quote: Wasn't it the Republicans in Congress that kept the Brady Bill from being renewedThe Brady Bill is in full force today. No thanks to Republicans..they have done nothing to repeal it. The AWB expired...

    quote:and isn't it the Republicans in Congress who are pushing the Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act that will protect firearms manufacturers from senseless law suits?This has NOTHING to do with the Constitution..only big business. Were the Republicans worried about RIGHTS...they would be pushing the platform that Firearms are NECESSARY for the exercise of the Second Amendment..therefore out of bounds to the slimy politicians and lawyers...


    quote:Also, wasn't it John Ashcroft, a Republican, that publicly stated that it is the position of the US DOJ that The Second Amendment recognises and individual right to keep and bear arms Yes...also Bush...and in the same breath proclaimed that all Federal gun laws would be enforced....The defination of one form of insanity, right there...


    quote:and wasn't it Ashcroft who ordered that background check information be deleted within a certain period of time rather than being kept indefinitely? Proving conclusively that these people care not one thin damn about the Constitution.

    Keep right on believing that they are 'supporting' the Second Amendment. Proving once again that most of the people can be fooled most of the time....
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So what's your alternative?
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Withdraw from the corrupt political arena.

    Stop voicing opposition to gun laws. Allow the Socialists to pass a total gun ban.

    Find out if there are any men left in America.
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In other words, after the socialists get a total gun ban enacted, the real men will start another American Revolution?
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Not a revolution. The Revolution has already occurred.Occurred with the power of the pen....

    Re-instating the Constitution and Bill of Rights is what I am talking about.
    No American citizen will allow empty suits the power to disarm them.
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Reinstating by force of arms?
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    I would urge a mass refusal to obey that law. Civil Disobedience.

    Either the Elites get the message...or they send out the British to collect the arms.

    You, my man...fill in the rest. Do what your conscious dictates.

    God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well I certainly wouldn't line up to turn in my guns. If they want them, they'll have to come get them and they better have a warrant.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Naturally,they will have a warrent. Judges will sign them by the gross....Genaric warrents...they will want to do it all legal like....[:D]

    God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
  • nomadictaonomadictao Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know many anti-gun Republicans out here in CA. I don't know the statistics, but there seems to be alot of them. Yuppies in Orange County and Riverside. They simply want all firearms, but semi automatic especially banned. This, I think, is what is giving the gun-grabin' Dems from SF. and LA. so much power. I hope the Terminator will listen more to the libertarian wing of his party.

    I am not married to my EX any more, but I am married to this city...as long as my son needs his dad.
  • jaflowersjaflowers Member Posts: 698 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by forthhorseman
    Well I certainly wouldn't line up to turn in my guns. If they want them, they'll have to come get them and they better have a warrant.

    Okay, so they have banned guns outright and that as a law is on paper. You won't turn yours in. So they come to your home with a piece of paper that says turn over your guns or you go to jail. What's the difference? You are either going to give them up peacefully or you're going to resist with force. It's that cut and dry. Pick your side, I have.
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So what else am I supposed to do, hold them off at gunpoint until the SWAT team puts a bullet through my brain? I'd have to turn them over and keep working to get the law back to a sane place.
  • WoundedWolfWoundedWolf Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    forthhorseman, when it gets to that point you have one decision:

    Do you want to be like Patrick Henry or Anne Frank?

    -WW

    wwsm.GIF
    "...That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state."

    -The Debates in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Virginia, on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution. June 27, 1788.
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by forthhorseman
    So what else am I supposed to do, hold them off at gunpoint until the SWAT team puts a bullet through my brain? I'd have to turn them over and keep working to get the law back to a sane place.


    If all gun owners decided to shoot it out, then the pro-gun movement would be over and the road much easier for the gun grabbers. We progunners need to survive and continue the fight anyway we can.

    And BTW, how will they know if you give the ALL your guns?

    4lizad
  • forthhorsemanforthhorseman Member Posts: 656 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Exactly right tr fox.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    So you have you guns..buried. What exactly good is a buried gun ?

    Now...another angle. One million gun owners decide to shoot it out. They get 2 or three Gestapo each. A very real figure, providing the common sense to not wait till the front door is being battered down...

    That means 3 million dead Gestapo. More then they have. As they increase their brutality..so does the resistance increase in numbers.. They CANNOT subdue Americans.They only can win against gutless cowards...all too many here in America,I admit....

    Once again..I don't give a rip about the spineless cowards that wish for gun control. I only care that ENOUGH Americans realize that THE ELITE CANNOT WIN with their Gun Control schemes..provided ENOUGH Americans are willing to stand in the breach.

    Those wishing for GunControl...are not American....or they are brain-washed into acceptance as being a 'good thing'....
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    So you have you guns..buried. What exactly good is a buried gun ?

    Now...another angle. One million gun owners decide to shoot it out. They get 2 or three Gestapo each. A very real figure, providing the common sense to not wait till the front door is being battered down...

    That means 3 million dead Gestapo. More then they have. As they increase their brutality..so does the resistance increase in numbers.. They CANNOT subdue Americans.They only can win against gutless cowards...all too many here in America,I admit....

    Once again..I don't give a rip about the spineless cowards that wish for gun control. I only care that ENOUGH Americans realize that THE ELITE CANNOT WIN with their Gun Control schemes..provided ENOUGH Americans are willing to stand in the breach.

    Those wishing for GunControl...are not American....or they are brain-washed into acceptance as being a 'good thing'....


    Ah, Highball. Please do not ask for details (especially on the internet) but no one said anything about "buried" or not fighting.

    4lizad
  • jaflowersjaflowers Member Posts: 698 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    sorry Highball and TRfox for not chiming in earlier. I tried to post but am at work and had to leave to "work".

    I'm with you Highball. I have "drawn my line in the sand" and I won't go back. If they come I'm almost positive they will beat me, but it's going to cost them. Enough of us pay that price and maybe, just maybe, it will start something for the good of this great country. I don't want anyone on here thinking I want this to happen, God knows I don't. I just refuse to put my head in the sand and hope for the best when I know I can prepare for the worst.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    TR, my friend....I do not doubt you. However...using your statements to establish a point of view gets other people thinking beyond mere obedience to 'authority'..Obedience to 'Authority' brings Hitlers.
    Questioning authority..making them understand that they serve at OUR behest..brings freedom.

    I normally bounce ideas off you because you normally do not take offense !! [:D]
  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    Roger that [:D]

    4lizad
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