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Whose fault is it?

codenamepaulcodenamepaul Member Posts: 2,931
When discussing a law in OH that said you have to "show your papers" to any LEO or face arrest (whether you had done something wrong or not) I got into a discussion which I said that "our greatest generation" was very much at fault for the gun laws we enjoy today. My reasoning is that the ball really gained momentum in '68- on their watch-in my opinion. So who is to blame- WWI vets because of the '34 GCA or the WWII because of the '68 GCA or subsequent generations because of everything since?

When the meekest of men raise their fist at you in defiance, you have lost. It is just a matter then of admitting it to yourself.

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  • dsmithdsmith Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As sad as it is for me to say, the great generation that won WWII did support that Socialist FDR. He of the NFA, the military draft, Socialist Security, Japanese prison camps, etc. They are somewhat to blame for letting the ball get rolling. Same thing with the GCA generation. And same thing with the current generation for letting the corrupt officials get away with their laws. There is plenty of blame to go around.
  • codenamepaulcodenamepaul Member Posts: 2,931
    edited November -1
    I would assign less blame now than then. It is far easier to keep the horse in the barn than to get him back in after he's out.



    When the meekest of men raise their fist at you in defiance, you have lost. It is just a matter then of admitting it to yourself.
  • KYfatboyKYfatboy Member Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The reason fer got so much support was because of the depresion. No body had any money, execpt for the rich. It would seem that when the rich saw how many other people were getting rich in the stock market, they sold off all their shared, causing the depression. ( I know there is A different official reason for it, wearing my tin hat right now,) This being done, they regained power. The Rep administration of the time would do nothing but say "prosperty is just around the corner." Does any of this seem familiar in today's world, with shafta, and free trade with commies. When folks are poor enough, they will pretty much support anything that puts money back in their pocket. Is it right, or wise, I don't think so. It is righ, or wise for those in power to do what they can to take prosperty from the rest, I don't think so.

    In hoc signo vinces
  • ComengetitComengetit Member Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bubba fats, what is the actual sign in which your sig line refers and how can we use it to conquer?

    The only ones that we can blame for our current condition is this generation. We see it yet we do nothing. We have the power of 285,000,000 people in this country and yet we let stand those things that we find most destructive. How can we blame any generations past for us allowing whatever they may have inacted to continue. Nope, to blame anyone but ourselves is really quite frankly the easy way out and denial. We are responsible for our ultimate quality of life and in controlling our laws and politicians we accomplish this, therefore by not actively rebelling and overturning such atrocities, we are no better in fact worse than any generation that may have inacted these things because we can see the damage being done they could not.
  • KYfatboyKYfatboy Member Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey comengetit, it refers to when constitine(forgive the spelling) had A vision of the cross in the sky before A battle, he converted to Christianity, and won the battle uniteing the roman empire.quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
    Bubba fats, what is the actual sign in which your sig line refers and how can we use it to conquer?

    The only ones that we can blame for our current condition is this generation. We see it yet we do nothing. We have the power of 285,000,000 people in this country and yet we let stand those things that we find most destructive. How can we blame any generations past for us allowing whatever they may have inacted to continue. Nope, to blame anyone but ourselves is really quite frankly the easy way out and denial. We are responsible for our ultimate quality of life and in controlling our laws and politicians we accomplish this, therefore by not actively rebelling and overturning such atrocities, we are no better in fact worse than any generation that may have inacted these things because we can see the damage being done they could not.
  • ComengetitComengetit Member Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by KYfatboy
    Hey comengetit, it refers to when constitine(forgive the spelling) had A vision of the cross in the sky before A battle, he converted to Christianity, and won the battle uniteing the roman empire.quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
    Bubba fats, what is the actual sign in which your sig line refers and how can we use it to conquer?

    The only ones that we can blame for our current condition is this generation. We see it yet we do nothing. We have the power of 285,000,000 people in this country and yet we let stand those things that we find most destructive. How can we blame any generations past for us allowing whatever they may have inacted to continue. Nope, to blame anyone but ourselves is really quite frankly the easy way out and denial. We are responsible for our ultimate quality of life and in controlling our laws and politicians we accomplish this, therefore by not actively rebelling and overturning such atrocities, we are no better in fact worse than any generation that may have inacted these things because we can see the damage being done they could not.



    So then the sign is that of the cross and of this sign, victory? For if I'm not mistaken the actual meaning is 'In this sign, you shall conquer'. Is that about right? Thanks for the response, I'm always interested in historical significance.
  • KYfatboyKYfatboy Member Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    yep.quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
    quote:Originally posted by KYfatboy
    Hey comengetit, it refers to when constitine(forgive the spelling) had A vision of the cross in the sky before A battle, he converted to Christianity, and won the battle uniteing the roman empire.quote:Originally posted by Comengetit
    Bubba fats, what is the actual sign in which your sig line refers and how can we use it to conquer?

    The only ones that we can blame for our current condition is this generation. We see it yet we do nothing. We have the power of 285,000,000 people in this country and yet we let stand those things that we find most destructive. How can we blame any generations past for us allowing whatever they may have inacted to continue. Nope, to blame anyone but ourselves is really quite frankly the easy way out and denial. We are responsible for our ultimate quality of life and in controlling our laws and politicians we accomplish this, therefore by not actively rebelling and overturning such atrocities, we are no better in fact worse than any generation that may have inacted these things because we can see the damage being done they could not.



    So then the sign is that of the cross and of this sign, victory? For if I'm not mistaken the actual meaning is 'In this sign, you shall conquer'. Is that about right? Thanks for the response, I'm always interested in historical significance.
  • WoundedWolfWoundedWolf Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    To my knowledge and opinion, the root of all this started with post Civil War reconstruction. It was then that the case was made for having a strong central government to avoid any future disintegration of the Republic. This essentially went 180 degrees from the system that the Founding Fathers had envisioned and implemented for the first 80 years our nation. But given the cost in lives, money, and innocence, I can't blame the people for going along with this strong federalist philosophy after witnessing such a bloody insurrection.

    Then I believe it was the early root of the Socialist movement in America in the teens and twentys (via labor unions and the Communist Party) that implanted the government entitlement mentality into most working class Americans. This was evident by Herbert Hoover's 1928 campaign promise, "A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage."

    Then once again, as mentioned, during the despair of the Great Depression it was easy for the masses to support FDR's social reforms when so many were literally starving in the streets. In our current society, where 6% unemployment would be seen as devastating, it is hard for us to imagine the 25% unemployment of the Depression. I suppose any promise of hope would have been welcomed.

    Fueled by the apparent success of FDR's programs to pull us out of the Depression, the nationalism formed during World War II and the Cold War, the Socialist vision of JFK, and the realization of that vision by Johnson, I think we can understand how we got here.

    JMHO,
    Wolf
  • KYfatboyKYfatboy Member Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Without A doubt communisim sucks, and the problem with capatilist, is that many of them are greedy. What are we to do. The war of northern aggression was not about slavery, not was it about the state right of confederate, it was about money. The yankee business man did not like the fact the southern business man could charge whatever price he wanted for cotton. (Lets keep in mind this is when the yankee business man was useing children to make textiles in new england), the southern business man did not like the yankees inporting cotton from other countries. Who got the shaft, the avarage man who did the fighting got the shaft, and we have all been getting it ever since. Then again in the 1920's folks were makeing money in the stock market, the way American capatilism is supposed to work, the rich folks of society cannot allow this for long, if so other folks may become as important, and has as much goverment influence as them, so they started the panic of selling, the rest is history. From that we get FDR, and all his govermental control bravo sieara. It's A vicious circle. It seems as though everytime capatilism gets going the right direction, the greedy rich find A way to shaft us again. Sorry about the rant, I'm going to put on my tin foil and armadillo hat now, and listen to Art Bell.[:D]quote:Originally posted by WoundedWolf
    To my knowledge and opinion, the root of all this started with post Civil War reconstruction. It was then that the case was made for having a strong central government to avoid any future disintegration of the Republic. This essentially went 180 degrees from the system that the Founding Fathers had envisioned and implemented for the first 80 years our nation. But given the cost in lives, money, and innocence, I can't blame the people for going along with this strong federalist philosophy after witnessing such a bloody insurrection.

    Then I believe it was the early root of the Socialist movement in America in the teens and twentys (via labor unions and the Communist Party) that implanted the government entitlement mentality into most working class Americans. This was evident by Herbert Hoover's 1928 campaign promise, "A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage."

    Then once again, as mentioned, during the despair of the Great Depression it was easy for the masses to support FDR's social reforms when so many were literally starving in the streets. In our current society, where 6% unemployment would be seen as devastating, it is hard for us to imagine the 25% unemployment of the Depression. I suppose any promise of hope would have been welcomed.

    Fueled by the apparent success of FDR's programs to pull us out of the Depression, the nationalism formed during World War II and the Cold War, the Socialist vision of JFK, and the realization of that vision by Johnson, I think we can understand how we got here.

    JMHO,
    Wolf
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