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How many of us work in an environment where it is against the "company/corporate policy" to carry a concealed weapon? Ever wonder just how safe you really are? My current workplace has such a policy, and even went so far as to post the "gun ban" posters on the doors and windows. I talked with my "manager" about it, and he said that they had to stay up, it was "policy." I reiterated that it was a green light to some "bad guy(s)" that if they wanted to rob the place, and perhaps even kill us in the process, that the sign was a signal to them that they could proceed undetered, and with full knowledge that they would not be met with armed resistance, and could do what ever they wanted.
A few weeks later, one of the vice president's visited our branch, and asked if we had any questions. I asked about the policy of not being able to protect ourselves in case of robbery/attack by criminals. Let me note here that we handle a large amount of cash on an almost daily basis. His reply was that it was the 'corporate policy' and that it was in place to protect the people who worked there from each other. I almost laughed out loud. At that point I told him that his "corporate policy" had forced me to leave a letter in my safety deposit box stating that IF I was killed/injured due to a hold up or a co-worker, and I was unable to protect myself or co-workers, that my family was to sue them. I went further, explaining to him, that by posting the signs he was actually promoting an unsafe work place, and he/the corporation was now legally liable for my well being at work. He made a few notes and went away. Less than two weeks later a memo from our corporate office came down to remove all the "gun ban" signs.
We are still forbidden to carry a concealed hand gun, and we're not even supposed to have them in our private vehicles which are parked on company property. However, living in Louisiana, the state law says that our vehicles are "extensions of domicile" meaning that we can have a loaded weapon in our vehicle. A 'don't ask, don't tell' policy is now in place, at least where I work.
It was a small victory, but it's still a victory. How many others out there face the same situation? What can you do about it?
Feed back is requested.
An armed society is a polite society.
A few weeks later, one of the vice president's visited our branch, and asked if we had any questions. I asked about the policy of not being able to protect ourselves in case of robbery/attack by criminals. Let me note here that we handle a large amount of cash on an almost daily basis. His reply was that it was the 'corporate policy' and that it was in place to protect the people who worked there from each other. I almost laughed out loud. At that point I told him that his "corporate policy" had forced me to leave a letter in my safety deposit box stating that IF I was killed/injured due to a hold up or a co-worker, and I was unable to protect myself or co-workers, that my family was to sue them. I went further, explaining to him, that by posting the signs he was actually promoting an unsafe work place, and he/the corporation was now legally liable for my well being at work. He made a few notes and went away. Less than two weeks later a memo from our corporate office came down to remove all the "gun ban" signs.
We are still forbidden to carry a concealed hand gun, and we're not even supposed to have them in our private vehicles which are parked on company property. However, living in Louisiana, the state law says that our vehicles are "extensions of domicile" meaning that we can have a loaded weapon in our vehicle. A 'don't ask, don't tell' policy is now in place, at least where I work.
It was a small victory, but it's still a victory. How many others out there face the same situation? What can you do about it?
Feed back is requested.
An armed society is a polite society.
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Quote "When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions."
Once in awhile,sanity breaks out in the hinterlands !!
I work on an airport.Federal law.Taking a gun to work would be 20 years,I suppose...and suing the fedgov. over a little thing like loss of life ain't in the books,I don't think.And changing it isn't going to happen,either.We have tried.
God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
The higher-ups in your company probably researched it a little, and found out you were right. Trying to avoid a legal problem down the road, had the signs removed.
The gene pool needs chlorine.
I have consulted an attorney friend, shooter and hunter, and he says that IF something along the lines of being injured or killed without the means to defend myself, the company is definitely liable and subject to civil lawsuit.
The "suit" will be back in town this coming Tuesday. I think I'll put another bee in his bonnet! [;)]
John
An armed society is a polite society.
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Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
GhostCat
Anyway, I immediately headed for the range, had a great time, bought another gun and figured out my strategy. Let sleeping dogs lie. I shoot after work when I want and keep my mouth shut. The employee who probably complained to HR about my evil activity of decimating bullseyes was let go shortly thereafter.
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I wonder how many people can get away with such direct tactics and remain employed? It's a very tempting method.
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When CHL passed in Texas, all the Wal*Mart stores put up "NO CARRY" signs. After it was pointed out to them that they just assumed the liability for the safety of all who had to disarm themselves to come in the store, the signs came down.
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My Employer has banned firearms on the premises. A couple of years ago, at our sister plant, a former employee came in and killed 2 or 3 people....then killed himself. Since then, NO GUNS ALLOWED!!!!!....
GhostCat
Ghostcat: Wouldn't it make more sense for your employer to post a sign saying "No Killing Employees and Mangement Allowed".
I mean, if signs and prohibations against guns actually worked, that is.
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
I didn't get in his face about it, I simply pointed out that the "gun ban" sign was merely a signal to "bady guys" that we were unarmed. I approached it from an employee safety angle. And I still work there.[8D]
Well, the "suit" came back for another visit, and during a lull in the meetings, he looked me up and thanked me for giving him a "heads up" on the corporation's fiduciary responsibility, and asked if I had any other ideas that might further limit their liability. I smiled, then said no, none that they would implement. At lunch, I found out that he is a hunter, and wanted to know about out of state licenses, etc., for my state. I told him where to check, and if he wanted to come hunt, to let me know, I'd take him with me, or point him in the right direction if he didn't want to hunt with me. So we'll see how that works out.
BTW...he lives in Arizona, and I love to antelope hunt, so maybe I can get him in my duck blind and he can lead me around the flat land in search of the perfect pronghorn. [:D]
John
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not shooting at me!
I would keep one somewhere close on a daily basis. If I would ever have to use it at work at least I could possibly avert some problems by employing my weapon. They can fire me later.....at least I will be alive and maybe even more people will be kicking because of my choice.[:D]
I keep one in my vehicle at all times...sometimes more. Laws in Louisiana are a bit different than most other places, primarily due to the fact that they are based on Napoleonic Code with a smattering of English Common Law. But it is a gun friendly state. I have three concealed carry permits; one for the parish (county) that I live in, one for the parish across the river, and one for statewide. I had the two parish CCW's prior to getting the statewide, and have maintained them just in case something gets hinky with my statewide renewal.
And like you, my personal well being supercedes their corporate policy! 'Tis better to be alive and unemployed than to have your dependants collecting your life insurance checks.
John
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not shooting at me!
My wife and I both carry. As do alot of characters with bad intentions.. I figure my families lives and my own supercede ANY political crap they can throw at me. Period. I'm with you man,carry and be prepared or be at their mercy on your knees[;)]
if its forseeable that a ex employee might return with a gun the employer is 100% liable under gross negligence laws
happiness is a warm gun, preferably preban
The main thrust of my initial post was that any workplace that bans employees from having a weapon at their disposal for SELF DEFENSE has a fiduciary responsibility to protect you.
Since most companies have adopted a "politically correct" position concerning firearms, should something happen to you, ie., being shot by a robber or even a co-worker, they are civilly responsible for you not being able to protect yourself.
And a lot of places have gun ban signs (the ones with a pistol in profile circled with a slash through it) or a sign that says "no firearms allowed on premises" all this does is signal the bad guys that they have free rein to do what they want without fear of immediate armed response/reprisal.
Hope this clears up your confusion.
John
A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
the fact that my heirs may get a large settlement from the insurance carrier of the workplace does no good while i am in the ground or sucking d50w through a straw in rehab.
i also noticed that as a condition of employment i can be required to sign away my right to self defense. can they also require me to accept racial discrimination as a condition of employment?
i am preaching to the chior here but the guy that forced the policy of no self defense is not going to be the hero who will take one for the team and charge the disgruntled ex employee to disarm him. heck hes probably got a locked office to go to.
happiness is a warm gun, preferably preban
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
I can not help but think if there were just one armed american on each of those planes that day back in september if the outcome would have been the same.
Bob in new york where the judge/god decides no-one needs an unrestricted. We have all this crime! The next county up where you can get unrestricted has little crime. Judge??? That just does not make sense!!! Or does it!
You might me a redneck if: Your wife says she is game! and you shoot her!
Refer to the post above yours from trfox...about constitutional rights and sometimes rights.
Don't get me started about leftist/liberal/communist/wacko/meglomaniacal judges. [;)]
John
A friend will post your bail. A good friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying, "man that was fun!"
The other issue is the corporate philosophy. I mirrors the insurance line of thinking. Corporate management knows what is best and the law abiding workers can not possably know what is best for them thats why there is management.
In both cases there is a lack of trust for the common worker.
My 2 cents [8D]
Greg
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