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It Is Too Late To Get Organized Now?

HDCandelaHDCandela Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
Really, was there any way that the people of pre-communist Russia or China and pre-National Socialist Germany could have organized better, communicated better, moved better, targeted better, gone from dispersed to concentrated at the right time & place and back to dispersed in a better way. That was all before telephone fax trees, the internet, radios, and CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. There are two symposiums, one written by Osanka and another written by Gary North which might help you think about this better. Gary North's Rule by Emergency (or was it Government by Emergency) is interesting also. Pick up a copy of A.M. Gray's Warfighting FMFM 1 and Campaigning FMFM1-1 for comparison to the DOD war exercise Millennium 2000 (something that they were embarrassed by). Realistically, massive and almost anarchic movements of people on foot with inferior intelligence are not likely to be successful against a SMALL group of wealthy Oligarchs (maybe 5 to 8 thousand of them around a country) who have superior transportation to set up a new HQ some place safer and who are in control of an even larger, technologically superior, better organized, standing army with intelligence everywhere like ones sees in the movie 1984, even despite the hope that you might get out of the movie Michael Collins. Consider the lesson that Neo learned from the lady with the Red dress in the movie The Maxtrix. So, what does one do when the SDS and Weather Underground (with the help of the NEA over a period of years) have taken over the government on all levels, directly or indirectly? Mind you, the more that you post on the internet, the more groups that you join, the people that you talk to about or include in on IT, then the easier it will be for them to use you as an example or quietly make you disappear. Socialist wage slave these days who watch too much tv are more than ready to turn you in or condemn you when interviewed in order to save themselves. So, do not telegraph your punches by talking if you really have any to throw this late in the fight. Some old Nike shoe slogan might fit here, like, ummm, just do it.

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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Sure.

    But some MUST talk about it..so that others take heart that they are not alone, isolated individuals.

    So what it paints a bullseye on your back ; We only live till we die, anyway.
  • kerkkerk Member Posts: 28 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good point. I'm sure that was the sentiment of the majority of the colonist too. I.E., What's the use? Go along to get along. Don't rock the boat. But it boils down to a simple decision; live and die free or live and die enslaved. One problem is that enslavement comes gradually, and not all realize it at the same time.........boil the frog slowly.

    I doubt it's ever an easy choice, but don't assume that the powers that be, would have total co-operation of those that they 'assume' would carry out their orders. Also, don't assume that every governor or state would co-operate. It would be extremely confusing, and the lines would not be clear.

    But, on a good note, as I updated on the pertinent thread, 32 states have now either passed, or have had submitted in the legislatures, bill reaffirming their sovereignty.

    The first step is for everyone to stay politically active, and not just talk about it.
  • Mk23Mk23 Member Posts: 127 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    And as we organize, our enemies grow LESS organized.

    Obama and his Liberal cronies are already starting to turn on one another, clawing and scratching for more of each other's power.

    Even their complicit media can no longer hide the rampant spending and plundering of future American generations.

    Congressmen are already being re-taught how to bow to the power of the people, if not the Constitution, rather than trust in the power of their false god in the white house.

    The number of states acting in concert to reaffirm sovereignty tells me that WE ARE organized.
  • IAMAHUSKERIAMAHUSKER Member Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Anyone who thinks that Obama and his cronies are calling the shots are not even in the right ball park.
  • stevea2003stevea2003 Member Posts: 13 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Anyone who thinks that Obama and his cronies are calling the shots are not even in the right ball park.
    [/quote]
    Could you explain?
  • flat8flat8 Member Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by stevea2003

    Anyone who thinks that Obama and his cronies are calling the shots are not even in the right ball park.

    Could you explain?
    [/quote]

    If you read "Tragedy and Hope" by Quigley, "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by Griffin, "The Shadows of Power" by Perloff, and "The Naked Capitalist" by Skousen you will understand exactly what is going on.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by flat8
    quote:Originally posted by stevea2003

    Anyone who thinks that Obama and his cronies are calling the shots are not even in the right ball park.

    Could you explain?


    quote:If you read "Tragedy and Hope" by Quigley, "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by Griffin, "The Shadows of Power" by Perloff, and "The Naked Capitalist" by Skousen you will understand exactly what is going on.


    An X-Ring, with a couple of additions.
  • HDCandelaHDCandela Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was thinking today. How many people who work for the government will simply go along with enforcing unconstitutional laws in order to keep their jobs, houses, cars, and families? Perhaps, it will happen so gradually and in accord with technological "progress" that to the official tasked with enforcement it will simply seem like the way things are and have always been, routine, not realizing that less than twenty years ago each citizen, had their rights less infringed, was tracked by grids and on CCTV less, had less records and inaccurate files kept on them, was able to find employment with less socialist government discrimination against them, slept better and more secure in their own homes.
  • kerkkerk Member Posts: 28 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by HDCandela
    I was thinking today. How many people who work for the government will simply go along with enforcing unconstitutional laws in order to keep their jobs, houses, cars, and families? Perhaps, it will happen so gradually and in accord with technological "progress" that to the official tasked with enforcement it will simply seem like the way things are and have always been, routine, not realizing that less than twenty years ago each citizen, had their rights less infringed, was tracked by grids and on CCTV less, had less records and inaccurate files kept on them, was able to find employment with less socialist government discrimination against them, slept better and more secure in their own homes.


    Bingo. Every time the government takes money from you, they are taking your power and making it theirs, thus they use your money to buy people. Basically enslaving them to a certain degree.

    Note that the fastest growing employment segment in our economy is the 'government'.

    They aren't able to do it because they produce anything, or sell anything, they can do it just by taking from one and giving to another, at the point of a gun.

    It gives them quite an edge over legitimate business.
  • therockguytherockguy Member Posts: 61 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i know some military sectors will decide to not help enforce a gun grab of any sort. I think some things will cause the enforcers to disperse also but what things will do it, and will we still be able to overcome at that point? we need to stand before its too late, but not do it to soon and when it is not justified. hopefully wont go this far, but it has been said by our founding fathers that it will be neccesary.
  • nyforesternyforester Member Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by therockguy
    i know some military sectors will decide to not help enforce a gun grab of any sort. I think some things will cause the enforcers to disperse also but what things will do it, and will we still be able to overcome at that point? we need to stand before its too late, but not do it to soon and when it is not justified. hopefully wont go this far, but it has been said by our founding fathers that it will be neccesary.


    If not soon then when ? When there is nothing left to save ? When everything you have and worked for all of your life is worth less than used tiolet paper. I say.....Draw the line in the sand - NOW !
    Abort Cuomo
  • afartinthewindafartinthewind Member Posts: 100 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nyforester
    quote:Originally posted by therockguy
    i know some military sectors will decide to not help enforce a gun grab of any sort. I think some things will cause the enforcers to disperse also but what things will do it, and will we still be able to overcome at that point? we need to stand before its too late, but not do it to soon and when it is not justified. hopefully wont go this far, but it has been said by our founding fathers that it will be neccesary.


    If not soon then when ? When there is nothing left to save ? When everything you have and worked for all of your life is worth less than used tiolet paper. I say.....Draw the line in the sand - NOW !


    Yeah, go for it, make a headline out of yourself.
  • quickmajikquickmajik Member Posts: 16,324
    edited November -1
    I have had over a dozen family members fight for my so called freedoms, and considering the pilots and other folks they probably killed thousands of people.. What did they sacrifice their lives for? What have they saved? Some of them never came back and most of the ones that did have withdrawn from civilazation and are childless.. Some of them where spat on and atleast 1 went crazy from his dreams. I was taught too believe I am safe and free and now I realize that that may not be as true as I was lead to believe. i once believed that the constitution gave me freedom of thought and expression, I never really believed how savage and blindly stupid people could be.. That has been changing, and I no longer have much faith in anyone or anything, It has been stripped from me by what i have been shown, and now I wonder if there are any real safe places.

    I have learned so much from history and most of it just goes too prove that nothing is ever done souly for the good of all, and on the rare chance that it is, it is soon corrupted.. It is never enough too just have peace, it is never enough to have tolerance and live uncorrupted.. My own personal hell is that I still dont know why..
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Have faith in the Ten Commandments;
    Have faith in the Bill of Rights;
    Have faith in God.

    Believe that there are good people scattered all across America...the remnants of those that fought the British to a total win.
    You will not find them in political office, nor in big business, nor in the media ..for they are all corrupted to a level to make the Devil proud.

    You must understand that the grievous amount of blood shed by brave men for most of the last hundred years has not been for American freedom ..but for the implementation of a devious plan having nothing to do with America staying strong.

    Understand that the very toughest time for a race horse...or a warrior ..is just before the race...or battle.
    Brought to the peak of readiness, convinced of the need to take action ..ANY action...one MUST restrain oneself until it is time.

    Remember...there were American snipers stationed behind OUR OWN LINES during the wars.

    Their job ?
    They killed the man that crawled out of the trench or foxhole to run...in ANY direction ..before the order was given to move out.

    Now ..today ..and all the days till it is time ..will test the mettle of every one of us. There MUST be NO pro-active moves made...by ANY of our side.
    We MUST wait for the enemy....
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Sure.

    But some MUST talk about it..so that others take heart that they are not alone, isolated individuals.

    So what it paints a bullseye on your back ; We only live till we die, anyway.



    I've already got a huge bullseye on my back...why worry about it now? One needs only to be prepared to take action when necessary...damn the consequences.
  • therockguytherockguy Member Posts: 61 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    if you have a problem with the not too soon language in my post perhaps u should think about what i mean, if u go and make a stand, a physical stand not one of language but actually march on capital hill armed and demanding justice say tommorrow, is it not too soon?u would fail and be called a nut and discredit others. If we choose a time in which we can muster a large enough group to do the same thing,ifit becomes neccesary and then it will be harder to ignore and dismiss as a lone nut. Im very finished with all these theives in office stealing our money and violaiting our constitutional rights. what is the timing that is required for success, if we keep waiting for them to come to our door and try to take our firearms, we have waited far too long to act. we will be slowly exhausted of ammo and the components before they would make such a bold move. they are not that foolish i believe. they are already in violation of our constitutional rights,and have far overstepped there constitutaional boundaries. I believe the tine is neigh to act against these tyrants that act against us at every turn. what now? they wont give us a easy in to defend our rights, no cut and dry move to fight against, they are not a straight forward group of tyrants. I believe that all of capital hill, the white house the senate the congress needs to be thrown out of office and that the state governements need to take bake the powers that the federal governement has stolen, and the governements get there fat hands out of everything not allowed in the constitution. send me a message we need to act now through all the legal chnnls to get this done, but they will fail us for they are very corrupt, impeach near everyone who would pass bills without reading them and pass legislature that violates the constitution. when that fails all we can do is what our founding fathers warned us would have to be done, the tree needs some manure if u know what i mean. or am i just a nut u decide if ur with it
  • RocklobsterRocklobster Member Posts: 7,060
    edited November -1
    A friendly suggestion for some of you guys: I enjoy reading just about every post on these forums, but please USE PARAGRAPHS AND PROPER PUNCTUATION!

    Large posts become very difficult for these old eyes to get through without them. Thanks.
  • afartinthewindafartinthewind Member Posts: 100 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good point, Roklobster, but I doubt it'll be heard. I, for one, just skip poorly written or formatted post, let alone bother with suggestions -- life's too short and there is a lot well written material out there. [:)]
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    I dug thru rock guys post.

    Bluntly ;
    I feel your pain. I have been feeling it for 40 years.

    Want advice ? Bear up under it.

    ANY MOVE CONTAINING VIOLENCE..we lose.
    We CANNOT start the war...not and win. We will lose every bit of support we will need to prevail.

    Perhaps you are right...perhaps they will move so very slowly as to make it impossible to EVER take it back.
    So be it..what will be, will be.

    Perhaps we deserve to lose it all, for being terminally stupid, and trading off our freedoms for 'security'.

    I will take part in NO hasty strike against ANYBODY...personally.

    There must be plain, unequivocal moves made by those in government that leaves no doubt about their agenda.
    Then, and ONLY then will there be the solid evidence to prove that we are right
  • kyplumberkyplumber Member Posts: 11,111
    edited November -1
    There is way more than sufficient evidence that 'we are right', and I mean WAAAYYYY MORE than enough evidence to prove they have "governed beyond the consent of the governed"

    But NO you can't grab your gun and go get'em, at this point in time; I promise you when the time comes you will know it. That is what they want! They know they have overstepped their bounds by miles but that has been to blind eyes, as more people bring in to focus what is actually happening to our country the better off 'WE' will be.

    Our power is in numbers, they lay in wait for some disgruntled American to step up early and by himself to make a fool and a mockery of him on the national media front.

    Don't start sprinting until the shot has been fired otherwise you WILL be disqualified, keep your ears open...
  • therockguytherockguy Member Posts: 61 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    very good point on my post, i skip the long ones sometimes to. im real pissed. we gotta do something or were not true americans.

    lets just make sure we do something.
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