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Article: Bloomberg pushing Obama, action on Guns

jasper57jasper57 Member Posts: 37 ✭✭
Amnesty first.

Get the beggars vote, cap and trade, then firearms.


Interesting article on Bloomberg's (mayor, New York) proposed changes to federal gun laws. And he wants it done without congressional approval.

Bloomberg to Obama: Take "Federal Action" on Guns
http://funreviews.net/publish/NRA-Related/Bloomberg_to_Obama_Take_Federal_Action_on_Guns.php

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  • cccoopercccooper Member Posts: 4,044 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If we could try it for a day. BLINK everygun out of existence in the world in a flash. EVERY GUN. Then in about 2.3 seconds, swords, knives, baseball bats w/ large nails pounded through the end, chains, spears, bows/arrows, ALL would be used to kill someone. Maybe in less than 2 seconds. Then POOF everyone gets their gun back and we laugh at the idiots who thought that "guns kill people". Would it work? The experiment would be conclusive, but it would not sway the minds of the anti-gun crowd. So, we fight. And continue to fight evil where ever we find it. Never give up. Never surrender.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,460 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Virtually every time an accurate study can be done, statistics prove that in the U.S., the increase in access to firearms by the average citizens is accompanied by a reduction in the rate of violent crime. Bloomberg knows this, Obama knows this, hell they all know this.

    Some controlled societies have shown a reduction in crime that has accompanied increases in gun control. We are becoming a controlled society, but most of the US is not yet at that point. If we are to retain any semblance of freedom, gun control will not work. If we submit to these gun controls, we will no longer be free.

    Gun control advocacy is not about crime reduction, it is all about ensuring that government can control us; we the people. Once government gets that control, it is possible that stringent gun control may reduce the rate of some crimes. That government, however, will no longer be governing anything that resembles the U.S. of A.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • fyrfinderfyrfinder Member Posts: 205 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    Virtually every time an accurate study can be done, statistics prove that in the U.S., the increase in access to firearms by the average citizens is accompanied by a reduction in the rate of violent crime. Bloomberg knows this, Obama knows this, hell they all know this.

    Some controlled societies have shown a reduction in crime that has accompanied increases in gun control. We are becoming a controlled society, but most of the US is not yet at that point. If we are to retain any semblance of freedom, gun control will not work. If we submit to these gun controls, we will no longer be free.

    Gun control advocacy is not about crime reduction, it is all about ensuring that government can control us; we the people. Once government gets that control, it is possible that stringent gun control may reduce the rate of some crimes. That government, however, will no longer be governing anything that resembles the U.S. of A.


    A well worn path to the problem, but does anyone out there have a solution to the problem?

    We are all part of the problem for sure, but what can we do to resolve what has been done "in our name"?
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,460 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by fyrfinder

    A well worn path to the problem, but does anyone out there have a solution to the problem?

    We are all part of the problem for sure, but what can we do to resolve what has been done "in our name"?



    In all likelihood, the decision in the McDonald case will confirm that the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches of the U.S. Federal Government are in lock-step regarding the power of governments to license, register, regulate and restrict firearms ownership by United States Citizens, in direct contradiction to the founding document they are sworn to uphold. The only remaining question is what (if any) limits governments will self-impose.

    After describing the structure, the primary purpose of the Constitution is to limit the power of the Federal Government over the States and Individuals and to limit the power of State and Local Governments over Individuals. These limits are being ignored today even more aggressively than the previous administration and Congress ignored them. In short, our Federal Government is illegally and immorally superseding its charter, and it is entirely legitimate and moral to explore means of diminishing that government.

    Options:

    1. Nullification by the States.
    This is being attempted in a back-door manner by the 15 or so States that are challenging the Health Care Reform Law on 10th Amendment grounds.

    Actual nullification, in the event these States are unsuccessful would be for these states to erect a legal shield around their citizens, preventing Federal action against those citizens in the event a citizen wishes to opt out of the Federal noose.

    2. Article 5 Convention
    Amendments to the Constitution to define the limits of the Federal Government for starters, and to verify the individual nature of the protections of the Bill of Rights. Some think such a Convention to be too much of a risk. Congress has already tossed out the Constitution, so there is, IMO, nothing left to lose.

    3. Secession
    In the event the unholy trinity of POTUS, Congress, and SCOTUS codify the supreme power of the Federal Government, it will be necessary for States that desire Freedom and Liberty for their citizens to secede from the United States. Upon joining the Union, these states entered into a contract as defined by the U.S. Constitution. If one party breaks a contract, as the Federal Government is doing, the injured party has every right, and a State Government has a moral obligation to declare that contract null and void.

    4. Last resorts will be individuals and small groups defending hearth and home from government goon squads. History tells us that the success rate of these efforts is very small.

    A sufficient number of these events, provided they remain defensive in nature, will eventually be successful. They will show the sheep amongst us that freedom, and liberty are worthy goals for which to live, and important enough principles for which to die.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    Don;
    Nicely done.
    Thank you much for putting that concise statement together.

    If you do not mind.I will steal it.with credits given.the next time some Beast-Lover slobbers out the endless challenge."whatcha gonna DOooo "???
  • WerwolfWerwolf Member Posts: 475 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I propose that our Republic be referred to as the Confederate Republic which would mean that it is a confederation of states joined together as a bastion against the wile onslaught of a coming beast empire known as the federal government and Confederate in direct opposition to the federal government from the Civil War. A Republic from the Revolutionary War and Confederate from the Civil War both iconic in nature carrying a powerful message of defiance with our Constitution that they so much despise along with their puppet military and police, not to mention that this may be popular amongst both Constitutionalists and Confederates alike, normally one in the same.

    As for this bloomberg, its pretty obvious that he is just another bernard madoff trying to scheme every possible potential for his own self interests and what better way to do that but weasel his way into the political spotlight in order to deprive us all of our beloved GOD given Constitutional Rights and our Republic, he is nothing more than a common charlatan and parasite that should be tried and hanged with the rest of them.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,460 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Don;
    Nicely done.
    Thank you much for putting that concise statement together.

    If you do not mind.I will steal it.with credits given.the next time some Beast-Lover slobbers out the endless challenge."whatcha gonna DOooo "???



    Thank you, Highball.

    I certainly do not mind if any or all is used as you see fit.

    Don
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • quickmajikquickmajik Member Posts: 16,324
    edited November -1
    I cant believe anyone actually wants this mcdonald deal to succeed, If it does, the second amendment, and therefor the whole constitution is made forfiet, it is only a matter of time.

    This isnt going to happen, but if the court ruled that no level of government has the right to curtail the second amendment, then that would be very good for the future of this country.

    but that isnt the way that the NRA has it set up. and the fact that the supreme court is a part of the federal government, and has far more power then it is supposed too, It will never happen.
  • fyrfinderfyrfinder Member Posts: 205 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Don;
    Nicely done.
    Thank you much for putting that concise statement together.

    If you do not mind.I will steal it.with credits given.the next time some Beast-Lover slobbers out the endless challenge."whatcha gonna DOooo "???



    Excellent post, I second that emotion. Well written and to the point. Thanks for the comeback on my inquiry Don.
    [:)]
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