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Put this to rest for me
Cameron203
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I am curious on what round has more stopping power a .45 ACP or a 10mm. Here is Winchesters website Specs: BTW thanks very much to bambihunter for the info. http://bambihunter.myftp.org/images/10mm/pistolcartridges.jpg
10mm:
175 gr. Super-Xr Silvertipr Hollow Point
Velocity (fps) 1290
Energy (ft. lbs.) 649
.45 ACP:
230 gr. Supremer SXT
Velocity (fps) 880
Energy (ft. lbs.) 396
170 gr. Super Clean NTr (Tin) Super Clean NTr (Tin)
Velocity (fps) 1050
Energy (ft. lbs.) 416
185 gr. WinCleanr Brass Enclosed Base
Velocity (fps) 910
Energy (ft. lbs.) 340
230 gr. WinCleanr Brass Enclosed Base
Velocity (fps) 835
Energy (ft. lbs.) 356
185 gr. Super-Xr Silvertipr Hollow Point
Velocity (fps) 1000
Energy (ft. lbs.) 411
But down is a link to show stopping power. Could it be the 10mm has more muzzle velocity than the .45 but not the take down power? I guess my question boils down to what would be a more survivable round to be hit with the 10mm or the .45.? Thanks
http://www.powernet.net/~eich1/sp.html
10mm:
175 gr. Super-Xr Silvertipr Hollow Point
Velocity (fps) 1290
Energy (ft. lbs.) 649
.45 ACP:
230 gr. Supremer SXT
Velocity (fps) 880
Energy (ft. lbs.) 396
170 gr. Super Clean NTr (Tin) Super Clean NTr (Tin)
Velocity (fps) 1050
Energy (ft. lbs.) 416
185 gr. WinCleanr Brass Enclosed Base
Velocity (fps) 910
Energy (ft. lbs.) 340
230 gr. WinCleanr Brass Enclosed Base
Velocity (fps) 835
Energy (ft. lbs.) 356
185 gr. Super-Xr Silvertipr Hollow Point
Velocity (fps) 1000
Energy (ft. lbs.) 411
But down is a link to show stopping power. Could it be the 10mm has more muzzle velocity than the .45 but not the take down power? I guess my question boils down to what would be a more survivable round to be hit with the 10mm or the .45.? Thanks
http://www.powernet.net/~eich1/sp.html
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"Damage" varies heavily on impact velocity, bullet composition, bullet style, entry angle, target composition, target density, target water content, bullet expansion, etc, etc.....It's like saying X+Y+G+K+M+N+R=51.6, that's fine, but what does each variable equal? You can't determine it accurately because of the lack of scientific info and high number of variables. Same thing with stopping power, too many variables and not enough hard data to draw firm conclusions with.
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I can carry any of the four, and I like the .40.
If you train, and shoot a lot... the caliber is not the most important factor in a "stop". A head shot will stop anyone, in any of those calibers.
Which would I rather be hit with??? Do you really think there is an answer to that question that won't make me look like more of an idiot than I am.
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A bullet with lower velocity would "open up", expend it's energy inside the target (tearing it up while bouncing around).
They didn't sell much 10mm. The 10mm is like the 40S&W, but longer, more force.
I liked the King's comments on the Makarov. I was surprised by how easily my copy targeted.
Also at the shop they said more people get killed from .22 LR's. I don't have statistics, but I do know one or two well-placed shots will stop an intruder.
The stopping power is contingent on, as mentioned, hitting the target. If the firearm is uncomfortable, a medium-sized round will be harder to handle than a comfortable handgun firing a larger round. I know, I've tried.
If you want to shoot chunks of wood to experiment with penetration, without actually trying, I'd say the smaller 10mm with more energy will have greater penetration than the larger .45 with less energy.
There is such a thing as too much penetration. You don't want a round to pass through its target and wind up down the block.
I. it seems, am one of the few fans of the 10mm. With 180grn hydro-shoks it is a very effective stopper. These bullets would not pass cleanly thru a target. Tests on ballistics clay bear this out.
I have several .45 acp's, and would not hessitate to use them in a self defense situation. However, I carry a Bren 10 special forces, and I am certian of it;s stopping power. The 10mm simply did'nt develope the following that had been hoped for. The .40 S$W was extensively marketed to the law enforcement community as the do all, end all caliber. It, in my opinion, has NOTHING on the 10mm. Besides, S%W's cave in to the liberals was the last straw for me. I dumped all my smiths. And will not re-invest in them now that they reversed themselves, or their ammo. But thats just me. I still like the 10mm, It's proven itself, all be it, not the most popular. But then, I don't trust my a** to whats popular. Just my opinion.
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1) Where the target is struck.
2) How much energy is transferred from the slug to the target.
A slug that weighs 230gr and passes through the target may do less "damage" than one that weight 170gr and stops within the target. Of course, how quickly a slug sheds energy after impact is highly debatable and is subject to many different variables.
Ideally, you'd most likely want something that's heavy, but still stops quickly. At very close range (sub 10yds), that's not very likely.
No such thing as a magic bullet, unfortunately. Although it's nice to perform the one-shot-kill, I usually go for the solid first hit that cripples, with followup shots to bring down the target. One-shot-kills are a bonus.
"Nuke 'em 'til they glow - then shoot 'em in the dark."