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Win. Sabot Slug Problem ???
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Why would a Rem. 870 shoot a 2 inch group at 50 yes and 12 inch group at 100yds...the gun has a rifled barrel, and always stayed within 4 inch at 100 with the Rem. Sabots...It shot any type slug under 4 inch at 100...wanted to use these hour glass shape , made of solid lead Win.......Called Win. And they were of no help......they do the same in both 12 or 20 ga...Both these guns always stayed under 4 inch at 100 yds with Rem. or Federal...Bought 25 boxes of these Winchester at $14 a box and very dissapointed.......[:(]. .???
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Makes for unstable flight as the velocity gets slower . This happens in Rifles as well as pistols In a 45acp shooting factory 230 grain ball as well as reloads in the 830 FPS range will shoot groups at 25 yards that will be around 3 times the size using same ammo when shot from a ransom rest at 50 yards drop that velocity to 750 FPS and group size may not be over 10% larger at 25 yards but 10-15 Larger at 50 yards My advice get another gun or sell the ammo That you got cheap because it did not shoot well in other guns either.
...$ 14..00 a box of 5 is not cheap...
. Same Gun with Win.Sabot go wild only at 100...Shoots all other Sabots just fine...Gun has shot other brands just fine for 20 years with the same rate of twist...
The sabot round probably uses a pistol bullet that has a better BC than the hour glass slug.
IE... the 6.5mm x 55 swiss shell just plain shoots better at long ranges because of the long thin {for it's size} bullet, than a similar
30 cal. bullet.
Use a good lead remover, and then a good choke tube cleaner to get all of the plastic out of the bore.
Best
I have 4 Rem slug guns (2 870's and 2 1100's) all with Hastings Paradox barrels. All shoot the 1 oz Win-BRI Sabot (hour glass) slug very well to 100 yds. Other slugs have very different POI and are less consistent. I suspect the Rem barrel was not developed (rate of twist, slug weight etc) with Winchester ammo in mind. As Perry Shooter says you must match ammo to what the barrel likes. Shotgun slugs vary by weight, shape, material, speed and sabots more so than rifle bullets making for mandatory testing.
I have a good friend who has a Hastings barrel on one of his 12 ga, guns. The Barrel twist is OPPOSITE of the twist on rifled slugs, and -for whatever the reason- that thing is unbelievably ACCURATE!
I shoot Hornady 300 gr sabots EXCLUSIVELY in my Mossberg 12 ga. which is a dedicated slug gun set-up. I've killed deer @ ranges in excess of 200 yds and couldn't be happier..........YMMV
I shot lots because they were nearly free, I'm sure less than a dime a pop.
quote:Originally posted by zimmden
I have 4 Rem slug guns (2 870's and 2 1100's) all with Hastings Paradox barrels. All shoot the 1 oz Win-BRI Sabot (hour glass) slug very well to 100 yds. Other slugs have very different POI and are less consistent. I suspect the Rem barrel was not developed (rate of twist, slug weight etc) with Winchester ammo in mind. As Perry Shooter says you must match ammo to what the barrel likes. Shotgun slugs vary by weight, shape, material, speed and sabots more so than rifle bullets making for mandatory testing.
I have a good friend who has a Hastings barrel on one of his 12 ga, guns. The Barrel twist is OPPOSITE of the twist on rifled slugs, and -for whatever the reason- that thing is unbelievably ACCURATE!
I shoot Hornady 300 gr sabots EXCLUSIVELY in my Mossberg 12 ga. which is a dedicated slug gun set-up. I've killed deer @ ranges in excess of 200 yds and couldn't be happier..........YMMV
your friend should not be using rifled slugs in a rifled barrel , rifled slug are for use in a smooth bore
quote:Originally posted by wanted man
quote:Originally posted by zimmden
I have 4 Rem slug guns (2 870's and 2 1100's) all with Hastings Paradox barrels. All shoot the 1 oz Win-BRI Sabot (hour glass) slug very well to 100 yds. Other slugs have very different POI and are less consistent. I suspect the Rem barrel was not developed (rate of twist, slug weight etc) with Winchester ammo in mind. As Perry Shooter says you must match ammo to what the barrel likes. Shotgun slugs vary by weight, shape, material, speed and sabots more so than rifle bullets making for mandatory testing.
I have a good friend who has a Hastings barrel on one of his 12 ga, guns. The Barrel twist is OPPOSITE of the twist on rifled slugs, and -for whatever the reason- that thing is unbelievably ACCURATE!
I shoot Hornady 300 gr sabots EXCLUSIVELY in my Mossberg 12 ga. which is a dedicated slug gun set-up. I've killed deer @ ranges in excess of 200 yds and couldn't be happier..........YMMV
your friend should not be using rifled slugs in a rifled barrel , rifled slug are for use in a smooth bore
Yes, I know..........