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Chi-Com Type 84 SKS -C&R?
ammo guy
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I have sold a Chi-com type 84 SKS that has the 30 rd detachable mag on GB. The buyer claims it is a C&R gun and has sent his license for shipping.( even though I specified only sold to FFL dealer) I am not convinced the gun qualifies as a C&R gun. He claims the gun is qualified due to its age of being over 50 years. Web searches have really not helped. This gun has a Russian receiver and barrel with no import marks. I have checked the ATF web site as well with.
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Johnny
The initial production Chinese SKS's, were assembled using Russian SKS parts at JIANSHE ARSENAL in 1956.
Below is the timeline. Some Russian parts were utilized as late as 1957. With serial number ranging to over 200,000
1956 (Soviet-Sino)
No /26\ stamp, 100% Russian parts including a Tula star stamped receiver. Considered to be at least complete sub-assemblies and possibly complete rifles when delivered to China for T56 start-up.
1956/57 ("ghost") No /26\ stamp
No indication the /26\ was added to the receiver on Jan 1st 1957, so a portion of "ghosts" rolled into April 57 when the factory became state owned and began utilizing the /26\ stamp. Estimated serial threshold based on production #s is around serial 140k
1957 (6 digit /26\)
First appearance of the /26\ stamp starting April 1957 in conjunction with Jianshe becoming state owned at around serial 213k. Russian parts still present.
If you were to remove the detachable 30 round magazine. It would be legal to ship IMHO. I've had a bunch of those magazines over the years in different SKS's. The SKS is not physically altered at all. All that is done is to remove the factory original 10 round magazine, and replace it with the U.S. made 30 rounders.
In fact I bought a Russian 10 years ago, that came with a U.S. made 30 rounder. I just took it apart to remove the 30 round U.S. made mag. And replaced it with a original Chinese made 10 rounder.
I recall seeing your auction, & found myself pondering the origin of your rifle, but the photos & description were not good enough for me to be sure what it is. ANY SKS with a Russian receiver that entered the US through an importer would have import markings AND A NEW SERIAL NUMBER stamped on the receiver. So, the gun is either a GI "bring back" from the Viet Nam War, or a refinished parts gun.
Either way, you will never be able to document exactly what it is; a print out from a website would not convince an ATF agent (or a jury) that it is a C&R. I would not ship to your buyer.
Neal
Thanks for the replies, the buyer has agreed to have it shipped to a FFL.
How many digits in the serial number. And is the receiver marked with the "/26\", Jianshe Arsenal marking?
Correction, it is a 4 digit #.
Thanks. It's whats called a Sino-Soviet SKS. Not common. If the guy that bought it, is a SKS collector? He's happy to get it.
I bought a Russian SKS in a Chinese red plastic stock years ago. Because I though it was a Sino-Soviet, it didn't prove to be though.