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Thoughts needed on revolvers:
MRBEAN
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I went to Gibralter gun show today, and talked at length with one guy in particular. He said his number one seller, and his 95% of the time carry is S&W 642 in the .38spl(didn't say if it comes in anything else). He happened to be sold out, but I went to another booth and held it, just to get an idea what it was all about(don't remember holding that style revolver before). The thing that sruck me the most was the weight of course. However, having not shot one yet, and remembering him and others there say kel-tech's .380 recoiled too much(even lighter than 642), I'm hesitant to look into it more seriously. Does THAT .380, or any, recoil more than THAT .38spl? A side note, I also checked out walther ppk .380. Felt a little on the heavy side(or very solid), but fit in my hand VERY nicely as well. Another question: Are there any guns that vary in recoil, with the same caliber, from others? I.E, kel-tech(10oz loaded), I'd imagine, would recoil much worse than say firestorm .380(about 24oz empty).
To the rich, everything is a neccessity. To the poor, everything is a luxury
To the rich, everything is a neccessity. To the poor, everything is a luxury
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Dance Hippo. Dance.
To the rich, everything is a neccessity. To the poor, everything is a luxury
try this...ask yourself these questions in this order:
1. what do i want to shoot?
2. how many shots can i take to hit it?
3. will my life depend on hitting the target?
4. how often will i be shooting?
5. how much do i want to spend on ammo?
6. how much can i spend on the gun?
7. am i the only one shooting it in the family?
answer those questions and your choice of gun and recoil may change dramatically.
fyi.......standard 38 spl bullets have to be the most pleasent rounds to fire thru a 4" or 6" revolver bbl, bar none. rule of thumb, heavier the gun, longer the bbl, the less the recoil. grip choice is extremley important as well.[;)]
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
1.The person trying to end my life/or just take my belongings
2.I was recently told to shoot till he/she/they hit the ground
3.Aside from practice, * yes
4.Aside from practice, hopefully never, duh
5.My life's worth more than $1.00/shot (or whatever .357 is) if that helps
6.I'd like to keep it about$500 or less, but I can save a while
7.Aside from hanging out at the range, absolutely YES
Thanks but I've been over those already, got anymore? BTW I'd never carry/or even shoot a 4-6" bbl wheel gun. The only one I've considered so far is less than 2"(S&W642)
To the rich, everything is a neccessity. To the poor, everything is a luxury
the price listed is much higher than can be had for ,I got mine new for 425.00
http://www.firearms.smith-wesson.com/store/index.php3?cat=293555&item=831441&sw_activeTab=1
I have seen a few kel-tecs at the range, they appear to have problems after around a thousand rounds
semi auto rounds must be able to cycle the slide. recoil is an important part of function.
design differs from gun to gun. so its logical to assume that different guns will recoil differently.
the ONLY way to choose a gun is to FIRE NUMEROUS GUNS and find one you can tolerate and control.
in your case....FUNCTION AND RELIABLITY should be the number one goal of the testing process. pretty guns dont stop perps. cheap ammo isnt reliable. and since recoil wont be a problem if your drenilan(sp) is pumping, who cares if it hurts? see my point?
and since you mentioned you havent shot these guns yet, go get whacked a couple times from lightweight guns and then switch to heavier guns to feel the difference. then keep trying guns with different ammo combos until you get one you like and stick with it. again, you may be surprised what you end up with. its why so many different guns exist. no two people are the same. and it may take time to find that sweet combo that will stick for life. getting the right combo is like eating 28 flavors of ice cream. after its all done its most likely gonna be vanilla or chocolate. mark my words.
former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, former navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction. NRA certified instructor.
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, former navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction. NRA certified instructor.
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
To the rich, everything is a neccessity. To the poor, everything is a luxury
former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, former navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction. NRA certified instructor.
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
To the rich, everything is a neccessity. To the poor, everything is a luxury
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former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, former navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction. NRA certified instructor.
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
Is the S&W 642 the scandium frame version? If so; I think Mateo has one. Maybe he'll see this and weigh in on it.
Mine is a 340pd. (.357/38) Very little. Very light. I love it.
If recoil is an issue for you, it might not be your best choice, although with .38 instead of .357, it's not bad.
Mateomasfeo
"I am what I am!" - Popeye
To the rich, everything is a neccessity. To the poor, everything is a luxury
as everyone has said get the gun that fits your hand.
i like a revolver for the weight and balance.
i WANT a ruger .30 cal carbine.
its big, loud and shoots fast.
i have had a .38 spl. snub nose
and it was NOT accurate at all.
my Dad has a ruger Blackhawk .357 mag
and i can/have unscrewed the cap off
an anti-freeze jug twice with it at
40 to 50 feet. one handed.
it is accurate and powerful.
i personaly would not consider a .380
because it is 1/2 the power of a 9mm.
i used to carry a norinco 9mm and i liked it
alot it did not weigh much it did not have much
recoil either.
i am not saying go out and get a Norinco
most people don't like them they think
the Norinco is a cheep peice of junk
i got mine for $150.00.
what i am saying is just because you have a
budgit of $$$.$$ does not mean that you will
hit your target.
practice makes perfect
in whatever calibre you choose
Shadow62
Common Sense is an Uncommon Virtue.
Mateo, how long is the barrel? I'm too lazy to hunt for it on their site. My dad, before I was born, had a ruger .357/.38spl with like a 7"barrel. PLUS, he had an additional cylinder for 9mm that came with it. Just to give you an idea how long ago, he paid about $125 after tax for all of it WITH a leather holster and two boxes of ammo! Dumbazz traded it and some .22lr for a 15' aluminum canoe that's been used maybe thrice in my life at the most. Last time, BTW, was by my sister's ex-boyfriend's parents. Trust me, I've yelled at him!
The barrel is 1 7/8". It is a little feller, designed for work that is close up and personal.
Mateomasfeo
"I am what I am!" - Popeye
I bought a 637 Smith & Wesson like this one a few years back used for $325 at a local shop. I carried it in an Uncle Mikes pocket holster as a back up to my full size 1911 or Glock at the shop. I found that drawing from the pocket holster was quite easy as long as you put your thumb over the hammer.
I have since passed it on to my partner Brad a year or 2 ago as a simple defense gun for his use till I could train him further. Brad now shoots a Springfield GI Milspec.
Looking here on GB, 637's new, run $350 and under.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=31609197
Regards,
It is that comfortable...as beantownshoota and 1911a1 have mentioned in their posts.
SEMPER FI
I was just thinkin'. Maybe you should just start with a .22 cal revolver and learn to shoot it. I mean just shoot the heck out of it.
A revolver is simple to use and straight foreward in it's operation. It's really a lotta fun and you might enjoy this sport. [:D]
To the rich, everything is a neccessity. To the poor, everything is a luxury
I also carry at times my Charter Arms Bulldog in stainless with a three inch tube and pocket hammer with pachmyr grips loaded with 240 grain hollow points.
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Walte
Shame what happened to HS, I've despised Sears ever since.
I envy your large hands. I personally have very stubby fingers but have always favored big bore, DA wheelguns, mostly S&W but some Colt and Rugers (the SS and GP100). Unforutnately, due to the way I have to grip, anything with much recoil quickly wears a blister on my thumb right at the web of my hand. But it's worth it!
My fav is my 4" S&W M24 (44 spl) which I bought when the made their special run back in the 80s (also bought a 6 1/2" 624 which I traded later and WISH I had back!!!).
I took it to a local gunsmith who rounded the butt and did a s-m-o-o-t-h action job without weaking any springs. I shot it for many years before a friend put a trigger gauge on it. The SA breaks at 1.8 lbs and has spoiled me for all other triggers.
Wheelguns make great home defense/CCW guns. They are simplicity personified, which is what you want in a life-threatening situation. Plus, you can find them cheap. I was at one 2 years ago where a fellow had a table full of 3" Ruger GP100s he'd gotten from a police agency priced $189 apiece and in great condition. Told my auto-crazy friend who was shopping for a CHL pistol that there was what he needed, just drop it in a coat pocket. I did buy one myself and that's what sits next to my bed at night. Why, you may ask, if that M24 is so wonderful? Because if I ever have to shoot an invader with it, it's probably going to be lost or in police custody for a long time. Plus, I don't want the added liability of shooting someone with a gun that's had it's trigger modified, a TORT lawyer would have a field day with that one ("oh, so the gun you used to shoot my has a hair trigger?")
I would get a steel 5 shot revolver for practice and a super light to carry (that way they are identical in every respect except recoil). And yes, grips are critical also.
Everyone should believe in something, I believe I'll have another beer.
All the rest are side issues! Practice, loads, grips, holsters, etc., etc., etc.
SEMPER FI