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Notre-Dame Fire out, rebuild starting and not from scratch

Post by droptop » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:12 pm

The French President has vowed to rebuild in 5 years. However, it shouldn't take that long. Trump would have it finished in less than 3 years.

Good news: Close to a Billion Dollars has been donated to rebuilding the Cathedral by wealthy private French rich businessmen, (there could be a woman in there?)
  • Many artifacts were removed and saved from the fire.
  • Looks like most of the structure and the flying buttresses didn't burn,, maybe because they were made of rock.
  • Appears the stained glass windows on the main portion of the building are intact.
  • Statues appear to be undamaged, a little "elbow grease" and they'll be as good as new.
Breitbart had the best pictures in one place with accompanying story. Put on a new roof, rebuild the spire, a little paint and good as new.
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019/04 ... otre-dame/
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/0 ... ting-fire/?

Church needs to have a charcoal sale to help with the cleanup. Holy Charcoal,, what's that worth to someone who wants a remembrance of the church. PRICELESS.
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Re: Notre-Dame Fire out, rebuild starting and not from scratch

Post by jimdeere » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:16 pm

Heck, I’d buy a piece of charred wood if the would authenticate it. I have a piece of steel from the WTC.
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Re: Notre-Dame Fire out, rebuild starting and not from scratch

Post by mag00 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:53 pm

Could you imagine Ash Wednesday with those ashes?

I may be a man of little faith, but something like that might be quite inspiring.

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Re: Notre-Dame Fire out, rebuild starting and not from scratch

Post by Missouri Mule K30 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:59 am

I worked on a 200 year old church that had the roof replaced, from the roof slats 1x24 on down. They looked to have cut the lumber on site. The wood was so dry and full of soot from candle wax and coal oil that you could literally put a cigarette on it and it would catch fire very easily.

I can only hope that the structure can be saved and will last another 800 years. :)

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Re: Notre-Dame Fire out, rebuild starting and not from scratch

Post by yoshmyster » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:38 am

I wonder if they'll install sprinklers this time around? Also I wonder how spongy the "rocks" are now?

Was this an insurance scam? Being that "many artifacts were removed and saved from the fire.".

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Post by Chief Shaway » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:07 am

yoshmyster wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:38 am
I wonder if they'll install sprinklers this time around? Also I wonder how spongy the "rocks" are now?

Was this an insurance scam? Being that "many artifacts were removed and saved from the fire.".
It is my understanding that the artifacts were removed for the remodeling that was being done.

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Re: Notre-Dame Fire out, rebuild starting and not from scratch

Post by droptop » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:48 am

Still early but it is known where the fire spread. Found this article with some information including photos of the infamous "attic" section of the roof. Looks like the fire started at the spire in the attic.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... -fire.html

Many of the artifacts were removed after the fire started. This is a "video" that talks about the artifacts and what was removed. Amazingly the Cathedrals huge organ was untouched.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vi ... 5751235547

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Post by serf » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:50 pm

droptop wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:12 pm
The French President has vowed to rebuild in 5 years. However, it shouldn't take that long. Trump would have it finished in less than 3 years.

Good news: Close to a Billion Dollars has been donated to rebuilding the Cathedral by wealthy private French rich businessmen, (there could be a woman in there?)
  • Many artifacts were removed and saved from the fire.
  • Looks like most of the structure and the flying buttresses didn't burn,, maybe because they were made of rock.
  • Appears the stained glass windows on the main portion of the building are intact.
  • Statues appear to be undamaged, a little "elbow grease" and they'll be as good as new.
Breitbart had the best pictures in one place with accompanying story. Put on a new roof, rebuild the spire, a little paint and good as new.
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019/04 ... otre-dame/
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/0 ... ting-fire/?

Church needs to have a charcoal sale to help with the cleanup. Holy Charcoal,, what's that worth to someone who wants a remembrance of the church. PRICELESS.
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But,but The New E.U. French Constitution has taken God out of it's preamble yet politicians line up to foster it's rebuilding of the Temple,Church.It's all a dog and pony show for masses.

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https://www.dw.com/en/most-european-nat ... /a-2767589

The French constitution is an example of absolute laicism, a political system which excludes any ecclesiastical influence or control.

"Freedom, equality and brotherliness" represent the collective ideal of the French people. There is no God involved in the preamble of the statute. The first Article explains that "France is an undividable, secular, democratic and social republic."

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Re: Notre-Dame Fire out, rebuild starting and not from scratch

Post by droptop » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:19 pm

Macron will become even less popular if he tries to get the French Government involved.

The people have it covered and would resent him even more if he tried to HELP with the cathedral repair and renovation.

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Post by shilowar » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:34 pm

droptop wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:19 pm
Macron will become even less popular if he tries to get the French Government involved.

The people have it covered and would resent him even more if he tried to HELP with the cathedral repair and renovation.

The Cathedral is government property. It's been their property since 1905. The Catholic church only provides funds towards maintaining it.

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Re: Notre-Dame Fire out, rebuild starting and not from scratch

Post by serf » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:58 pm

shilowar wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:34 pm
droptop wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:19 pm
Macron will become even less popular if he tries to get the French Government involved.

The people have it covered and would resent him even more if he tried to HELP with the cathedral repair and renovation.

The Cathedral is government property. It's been their property since 1905. The Catholic church only provides funds towards maintaining it.
It's then just an Icon of the past and the government had disavowed its spiritual significance and only uses it as a rallying cause to pacify the public. Everyone knows the government is a sham anyway.

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Post by slumlord44 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:53 pm

I find it refreshing that it will be rebuilt with donations from rich people. In the world that our Socialists Democrats want there will be no rich people because they are evil and the Socialist Government would pay to repair it. Or not because it's a church?

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Re: Notre-Dame Fire out, rebuild starting and not from scratch

Post by He Dog » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:00 am

While Macron says 5 years, most other estimate range to 10-15 years for complete restoration. Given the renovation work I have seen drag on with other European cathedrals, that seems more likely.

In fact the remaining structure may not be as stable as first though, even stone can be damaged by prolonged heat. That assessment alone will take some time.

Whether or not Notre Dame is a sacred place, it has been a piece of great architecture for over 800 years, built between the 1160's and 1250. It also attracted 13,000,000 million visitors yearly, making it an economic asset to France as well as a historical treasure.

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Re: Notre-Dame Fire out, rebuild starting and not from scratch

Post by Smitty500mag » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:57 pm

Now would be a good time to rebuild the entire building on a good foundation and use the original stone as a veneer siding.
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Re: Notre-Dame Fire out, rebuild starting and not from scratch

Post by fatcat458 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:25 pm

Read there was 250 TONS of LEAD in the roof. W O W!! That's a lot of 44 BOOLITS :idea:

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Post by droptop » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:32 pm

shilowar wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:34 pm
droptop wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:19 pm
Macron will become even less popular if he tries to get the French Government involved.

The people have it covered and would resent him even more if he tried to HELP with the cathedral repair and renovation.

The Cathedral is government property. It's been their property since 1905. The Catholic church only provides funds towards maintaining it.
Learn something new everyday:
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Under the 1905 law on the separation of Church and State, Notre-Dame de Paris is one of 70 churches in Paris built before that year which are owned by the French state. While the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for religious purposes in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for paying the employees, for security, heating and cleaning, and for ensuring that the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive subsidies from the French state.[73]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris

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Re: Notre-Dame Fire out, rebuild starting and not from scratch

Post by serf » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:11 am

He Dog wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:00 am
While Macron says 5 years, most other estimate range to 10-15 years for complete restoration. Given the renovation work I have seen drag on with other European cathedrals, that seems more likely.

In fact the remaining structure may not be as stable as first though, even stone can be damaged by prolonged heat. That assessment alone will take some time.

Whether or not Notre Dame is a sacred place, it has been a piece of great architecture for over 800 years, built between the 1160's and 1250. It also attracted 13,000,000 million visitors yearly, making it an economic asset to France as well as a historical treasure.
Frozen conceptions of architectures in stones built by mankind to reflect the creator but still the cornerstone was rejected in the heart's of man,A simple altar in the wilderness would suffice.

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