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Locust Fork
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Original or not???

Post by Locust Fork » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:14 am

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/802620211
It has the two tone bluing at the nose of the slide, see pic 43, just hard to get pictures of, no buff marks, No other sign of refinish anywhere.
I'm getting emails insisting it is a refinish.
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Re: Original or not???

Post by mrmike08075 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:25 am

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Re: Original or not???

Post by Sam06 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:37 am

If it is its a good one.
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Re: Original or not???

Post by GreatGuns » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:37 pm

Wow, that really is beautiful bluing. I'd have to agree that it's unlikely to have remained in that condition since it's manufacturing date of 1941. Who knows? It still could be original I guess. I'd just want it for it's heritage and for it being a finely made firearm, regardless of the finish. If refinished, it was likely done by the factory. ;)

Without looking it up online, may I assume the "Swartz Safety" relates to the spring/detent against the thumb safety?

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Re: Original or not???

Post by Mr. Coffee » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:04 pm

Not that my opinion is worth a flip on here but that thing is 100% original.....well kept by someone and beautiful ;)
I spell it with a "C" like the drink

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Re: Original or not???

Post by remingtonoaks » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:17 pm

I know a guy that bought a National some 40 or 50 years ago. As soon as he got it and he put it in a presentation box and has never taken it out except to re-oil it once a year, otherwise it just hangs on his wall. Maybe that's what the previous owner did with this one

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Re: Original or not???

Post by TRAP55 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:09 pm

mrmike08075 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:25 am
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Mike, I'd like to see your opinion on it.
I don't know what the reason is for the two tone slide, but the only 1911's I've seen it on, were Argy Navy models, and they did have a high gloss blue.

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Re: Original or not???

Post by spasmcreek » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:12 pm

maybe the refinish guys want to buy it cheap ?????

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Re: Original or not???

Post by Locust Fork » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:38 pm

The two tone area is because they used to harden the steel and it caused the color to be two different colors.
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Re: Original or not???

Post by bpost » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:59 pm

If Karl owns you you can rest easy knowing it is what is represented.

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Re: Original or not???

Post by montanajoe » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:53 pm

Man that is nice,,,

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Re: Original or not???

Post by mrmike08075 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:40 am

Kasey and Perry Shooter are beyond reproach and conduct their affairs with honesty and integrity - both are experts in their fields and giants in firearms lore

The fact that either one respects me or solicits my opinion on occasion or tolerate my contributions is a badge of honor

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Her hardest hue to hold.
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So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
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Re: Original or not???

Post by 11b6r » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:11 am

Anything is possible- I even met an honest politician one time. But I have seen pristine older firearms. I picked up a K-38 Target Masterpiece that was 50 years old, unturned, still wrapped in the oil paper in the box. No reason that LOVELY .45 could not be in that extraordinary condition.

I'm not an expert- hell, I'm not even a talented amateur- but everything that would tell me it is a refinish is NOT there. That is one fantastic gun.

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Re: Original or not???

Post by babun » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:06 am

That 2 tone look is CORRECT for a war time contract 1911. Many had that "line".
I have held parkerized ones that had a different tone in the exact same spot.

Read this thread......

https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=86949

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