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jerks w/ FFL's
redfishbob
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Some dealers are such morons.This dealer in port charollet ,fl.told me he could not sell me a gun because I wasn't a resident.When I informed him that I had a signed copy of my dealers FFL in my truck he wanted to call my dealer to get an o.k.I told him to go ahead.Then he wanted me to pay extra for some reason.I finally told him to stick the gun in his .....
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I may be wrong....but it sounds like you are looking for a deal from another retailer....where you should have just presented yourself as a customer. If you walked in and bought it, filled out a 4473 (or had it shipped to your FFL) there wouldn't be anything to complain about.
Then..... people started guessing that the shipping was the extra fee this "moron" was trying to charge you for.
I have person after person come in the store wanting to know what they can "have this for out the door" and then they strut around like we are on some level playing field. I hear things like....."I can't sell this for what I would have to if I have to pay that"....like MY worries should be THEIR profits. This weekend is gun show weekend so I have had an earfull of this mess all week.
You could cut that down to $2000 if you got rid of the 7 loafers that can't even clean shop when they're not too busy doing wheelies in the parking lot or having Q-tip fights. Just a thought.[;)]
All I was saying was it LOOKED a lot like what I deal with. The first post you started off with sounds a LOT like these guys that I have to deal with. I'm not being mean....or saying you were wrong for trying to use your license. Just that my days are filled with guys that think we share a bond of some kind because.....they too...sell guns. When in fact my worries are a much larger scale. You are NOT like those guys....but being in this business you should know what the FFL may be thinking when he did what he did. He was most likely a moron though. I have found when in doubt, in most cases, there IS a moron factor.
I have no sympathy for someone who can't work out a small difficulty with out coming onto a public forum and blurting out "jerks w/ FFL's" like a child. Then posting a city and state of where it took place like that has any bearing on you not being able to act like an adult.
1 pawnshop: $70
1 pawnshop that does transfers only: $55
(this guy's listed on the 'find a transfer dealer' list at $25/long gun,he says the site won't let him change his prices)
1 gunstore: $80
Neither of the two that sell guns want to do a transfer and aren't shy about letting you know that you should buy something else out of what they have in stock when you ask about transfers! Rude bastiges!
Guess who gets 99% of the business?
Allen
What's up with that????? You and I would do no business, I reckon. I usually walk out of a pawn shop with 10 or more, and I ain't paying shipping on that many when my truck is right outside.
You sure you're a dealer?
I would be presenting my own FFL, with ID to back it up.
Coming from your perspective, I might be a little suspicious of a face-to-face transaction to a FFL when it is presented by an unrelated individual, but that can be overcome.
Of course it's not possible but...I would DEARLY like to spend 8 hours a day just transferring guns at $10 bucks a pop, I sure as hell wouldn't be on here too often; I'd be making $300 bucks a day EASY.
I had a business for almost 30 years, very successful too. I just laugh at the $55-$75 fee's, absurd.There comes a point with the price of ANYTHING that it can be priced SO high, you price yourself out.
There is NO excuse to charge some of the high fee's that are charged...it's the owners business to make his Co. compettitive & profitable; and it wont happen placing that burden on the customers shoulders, they will stop buying. Customer is there to pay a reasonable amount, not pay for overhead attributed to poor management and business practices.
LF quote:$20 is the standard transfer fee for most stores in our area....but its not to transfer something OUT....more for the "IN." When something leaves that I own I am making some kind of profit....but when a gun is shipped to me and I do the transfer to a customer I don't get a dollar (unless there is a transfer fee.)
...What? That makes little sense. Logging IN the gun into a bound book then logging it OUT...is a transfer. If you don't charge a fee for the above mentioned actions which constitute a "transfer"...then what type and when do you charge a fee??
So...if you place an order, recieve guns, then sale these guns...you charge a "fee" other than the selling price, no shipping involved?...[;)]
Then there's one guy I found has his business out of his home 2 miles from mine. Is a retired 30yr LEO that charges $25.
I use him. Found out we have friends in common and whenever I need a transfer we end up BS'n for at least an hour. I even stop by just to say hi.
A real great guy and I feel fortunate to have run across him.
$20.00 is the customary for a transfer around here.$50.00 is criminal.
It cost $75 at some Gun Shops here in Houston.[:(]
It cost $75 at some Gun Shops here in Houston.[:(]
I don't understand the high fees for transfers. It's not like the guy is shipping the gun too. He must call in the 4473 just the same as any sale so that's not "extra" work. All he does is send a copy of FFL info,receive the gun,then call you.
I frown on excessive shipping and or tranfer fees for anything and try to avoid those types.
All it tells me is they're greedy and possibly can't be trusted because of greed.
A happy customer might/will be a repeat customer.
Now there is one shop around here that is not only a rip off (new glocks come with 1 mag in the gun/box, if you want extras they have lots for sale on that shelf over there...) BUT if you want a transfer for any reason they will litterally chase you out of the store yelling. Doesn't matter if it is a used item they can't get, a new item, or even an inheritance from an out of state relative. NO TRANSFERS.
Guy I know just got through doing 13 months for selling a gun to a Non Florida resident.[:0]
Some dealers are such morons.This dealer in port charollet ,fl.told me he could not sell me a gun because I wasn't a resident.When I informed him that I had a signed copy of my dealers FFL in my truck he wanted to call my dealer to get an o.k.I told him to go ahead.Then he wanted me to pay extra for some reason.I finally told him to stick the gun in his .....
And you don't even know why he wanted you to pay extra... hmmm.
quote:Originally posted by MVP
Did you make sure and slam the door when you stomped out?
I have no sympathy for someone who can't work out a small difficulty with out coming onto a public forum and blurting out "jerks w/ FFL's" like a child. Then posting a city and state of where it took place like that has any bearing on you not being able to act like an adult.
I agree. Maybe the FFL didn't want this guy as a customer... we all know shoppers like that...
quote:Originally posted by Hunter Mag
quote:Originally posted by mrseatle
It cost $75 at some Gun Shops here in Houston.[:(]
I don't understand the high fees for transfers. It's not like the guy is shipping the gun too. He must call in the 4473 just the same as any sale so that's not "extra" work. All he does is send a copy of FFL info,receive the gun,then call you.
I frown on excessive shipping and or tranfer fees for anything and try to avoid those types.
All it tells me is they're greedy and possibly can't be trusted because of greed.
A happy customer might/will be a repeat customer.
You obviously have no clue about business. It's not all cut and dry. If a transfer goes smoothly it's not a big deal to handle a transfer but things do not always go smoothly...
What happens when the $2000 handgun transferred in is accidentally dropped buy a store employee? Who eats that? Sure was worth the $20 transfer, wasn't it?
What happens when DHL misdelivers the package containing a $1500 shotgun to the wrong address and you end up spending hours and days trying to track it down because it shows as being delivered to your shop? Sure was worth the $20 transfer, wasn't it?
quote:Originally posted by mrseatle
It cost $75 at some Gun Shops here in Houston.[:(]
I don't understand the high fees for transfers. It's not like the guy is shipping the gun too. He must call in the 4473 just the same as any sale so that's not "extra" work. All he does is send a copy of FFL info,receive the gun,then call you.
I frown on excessive shipping and or tranfer fees for anything and try to avoid those types.
All it tells me is they're greedy and possibly can't be trusted because of greed.
A happy customer might/will be a repeat customer.
quote:Originally posted by vicg1
You obviously have no clue about business. It's not all cut and dry. If a transfer goes smoothly it's not a big deal to handle a transfer but things do not always go smoothly...
What happens when the $2000 handgun transferred in is accidentally dropped buy a store employee? Who eats that? Sure was worth the $20 transfer, wasn't it?
That's exactly why my FFL guy never opens the package until the customer is there. Damage can happen during shipping as well.
What happens when any gun you have is dropped by the store employee?
Sounds like your not very experienced.
quote:Originally posted by vcg1
What happens when DHL misdelivers the package containing a $1500 shotgun to the wrong address and you end up spending hours and days trying to track it down because it shows as being delivered to your shop? Sure was worth the $20 transfer, wasn't it?
Did you sign for said gun? If not maybe it should be shipped with signature confirmation. A basic fundamental for most but evidentley not you.
Your free to charge $1000 for transfers to cover your incompetence, and customers are free to go elsewhere.
Your also free to not handle transfers at all.
The other is a dealer also has an indoor shooting range. They charge $35 I was using them for Used guns but have started using them for everything. When I want to have something shipped to them I have to take in the Sellers info and give it to them they make the rest of the Arrangements. Such as Getting a Copy of their FFL to the seller. They also do not open the Package, they have me open it. I kind of like that.
redfishbob you should have asked what the extra charge was for. I would not take the word of a person I didn't know that it was ok for them to be using someone elses FFL. I would check with the FFL to be sure it was ok and he had given it to you. FFL could have been stolen. Is there a state or local law requiring you to be a resident there in order to purchase a long gun? If that is the case I would have sold you the gun and charged you shipping to ship it to your FFL.
Unless you go to the shop and pick up the gun the same day it is received by the shop it is not legal to lay there in the box. Gun control act requires that any gun coming into the shop must be logged in within so many hours after being received. Damed if I will risk my FFL and take a chance on being fined so you can open the package containing a gun two or three days later. Also if there is shipping damage you want to be contacting the shipper immediatly so he can get a claim started. I've been in business for over 31 years and have handled thousands of gun and never dropped a gun or damaged one that has come into the shop. Because of my fee of $15. for transfers I get 90 percent of the transfers in the area. And this is good for business as it brings in new customers who come back and buy.
redfishbob you should have asked what the extra charge was for. I would not take the word of a person I didn't know that it was ok for them to be using someone elses FFL. I would check with the FFL to be sure it was ok and he had given it to you. FFL could have been stolen. Is there a state or local law requiring you to be a resident there in order to purchase a long gun? If that is the case I would have sold you the gun and charged you shipping to ship it to your FFL.