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Be Honest

pipe7pipe7 Member Posts: 911 ✭✭✭✭
edited November 2008 in General Discussion
You're in Florida (In Miami, to be exact).

There is great turmoil all around you, caused by a hurricane and
severe floods. There are huge masses of water all over you. You are a
newspaper photographer and you are in the middle of this great
disaster. The situation is nearly hopeless. Nature is showing all her
destructive power and is ripping everything away with it. There are
houses and people floating around you, disappearing into the water.

You're trying to shoot some impressive photos. Suddenly you see a
man in the water. He is fighting for his life, trying not to be swept away by the masses of water and mud. You move closer. Somehow the man
looks familiar. Suddenly you know who it is. It is George W Bush! At
the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him
away forever.

You have two options:

You can either save him or you can take the most important photo of
your life.

So, you can save the life of George W Bush or you can shoot a Pulitzer
Prize-winning photo; a unique photo displaying the death of one of the
world's most powerful men.



So here's the question (please give an honest answer):

Would you select colour film or rather go with the classic simplicity
of a black and white photograph?

Comments

  • pipe7pipe7 Member Posts: 911 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    Having this quote in mind, how many of you will honestly admit that you personally know individuals who should not be in possession of/ or own a firearm either loaded, unloaded, concealed or in the open. I bring this up because we keep seeing posts of idiots who Negligently kill other people while handling firearms.
    "Guns DO kill people, in the hands of IDIOTS"
  • chaosrobchaosrob Member Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    To answer his question you have to ask another.

    How much at fault is the government for creating a society who are taught the guns are evil, everyone is a victim, personal responsibility is an option, and all your troubles will e taken care of by others?

    The state of a population is a direct result of the manner they are educated in.

    Guns- Dirty little secret tat is best kept hidden. They are to be hidden away from children at all costs which prevents children from getting proper education in safe handling, and responsibility

    Personal responsibility- Don't worry, you can always point your finger at someone else if you do something wrong, we will fix it. It really is notyour fault.

    You reap what you sow, and this is exactly what the government wanted. Zombies with nothing more than to fulfill their "obligation" for the great good
  • asphalt cowboyasphalt cowboy Member Posts: 8,904 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pipe7
    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    "Guns DO kill people, in the hands of IDIOTS"



    Guns Do Not kill people, it's the idiots misshandling them.

    And yeah, I got's a brother I will never feel comfortable around with a gun.
  • MercuryMercury Member Posts: 7,840 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know a LOT of people who shouldn't own or handle guns.

    I know about 100x MORE people who shouldn't own or drive a car, BUT THEY STILL DO.

    Cars kill waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more people than guns. Let's ban them!!!!!!


    Merc
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,690 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pipe7
    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    Having this quote in mind, how many of you will honestly admit that you personally know individuals who should not be in possession of/ or own a firearm either loaded, unloaded, concealed or in the open. I bring this up because we keep seeing posts of idiots who Negligently kill other people while handling firearms.
    "Guns DO kill people, in the hands of IDIOTS"

    I know many people I would prefer did not have access to firearms. It is also my preference that 250 Lb. people should not wear spandex bicycle shorts, though I don't see that restriction being enacted any time soon.

    Luckily some wise folks 230-odd years ago decided that my whimsical preferences cannot be enforced upon others.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • pipe7pipe7 Member Posts: 911 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by chaosrob
    To answer his question you have to ask another.

    How much at fault is the government for creating a society who are taught the guns are evil, everyone is a victim, personal responsibility is an option, and all your troubles will e taken care of by others?

    The state of a population is a direct result of the manner they are educated in.

    Guns- Dirty little secret tat is best kept hidden. They are to be hidden away from children at all costs which prevents children from getting proper education in safe handling, and responsibility AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS 100%Personal responsibility- Don't worry, you can always point your finger at someone else if you do something wrong, we will fix it. It really is notyour fault.

    You reap what you sow, and this is exactly what the government wanted. Zombies with nothing more than to fulfill their "obligation" for the great good
  • BlairweescotBlairweescot Member Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Guns don't commit crimes
    Cars don't commit crimes
    Knives don't commit crimes
    Bricks don't commit crimes
    2x4s don't commit crimes
    lead pipes don't commit crimes
    propane tanks don't commit crimes

    I could commit a crime WITH any of those objects, but they only one on the list that needs my fingerprints be on file is a firearm

    Crimes are commited by People, not Objects, and the Cult of Victimhood has gone too far

    Negligent homicide can be commited with a car, or by medical advice, or with a boat or with a cinder block

    Are those things protected by the constitution? No. But the thing that IS protected by law is the thing that has so many laws against it!

    This is called insanity.

    So no, I do not know anyone who "should not" have a firearm if they are legally gauranteed their rights, because that's the same thing as saying "I don't think this person should have his gauranteed rights"

    if you substitute "their rights" in place of "a gun", things become very crystal clear

    I don't need a propane license to grill a steak...but I can kill with a propane tank. Same with knives, forks, pencils, broomhandles, cars (don't need a license to buy!), bricks, shovels, combines, threshers, mailboxes, ballpoint pens, ashtrays, canes, crutches, staplers, bottle of whiskey, maglite, or even a pillow case that I would then fill with doorknobs

    But I can KILL with any of them. And paradoxically, none of them are part of my Rights, while the thing that IS part of my Rights requires a license becasue some people misuse them! Are sporting goods required to be purchased with a license? Even though baseball bats and golf clubs have been used as murder weapons? NO!

    The mind fairly BOGGLES
  • Remington1981Remington1981 Member Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pipe7
    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    Having this quote in mind, how many of you will honestly admit that you personally know individuals who should not be in possession of/ or own a firearm either loaded, unloaded, concealed or in the open. I bring this up because we keep seeing posts of idiots who Negligently kill other people while handling firearms.
    "Guns DO kill people, in the hands of IDIOTS"



    I have to disagree. A gun is a machine, therefore it has no thought process or the ability to make decisions, therefore a gun cannot kill any one with out someone aiming it and pulling the trigger. On the flip side of that human can kill someone, but it doesn't have to be with a gun.
  • ruger270manruger270man Member Posts: 9,361 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Everyone should have the right to own and carry firearms, unless imprisoned, no questions asked.
  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    does alcohol cause drunkeness?
  • Remington1981Remington1981 Member Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by scottm21166
    does alcohol cause drunkeness?

    No. the over-consumption of it does.
  • BlairweescotBlairweescot Member Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Even better analogy-

    alcochol cannot cause drunkeness. Only the act of drinking it can. No beer ever poured itself down anyone's throat
  • 17tobyracing17tobyracing Member Posts: 3,429 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Let's really decrease violent crime... I'm all for Minority Control!

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  • BlairweescotBlairweescot Member Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 17tobyracing
    Let's really decrease violent crime... I"m all for Minority Control!


    perps are not limited to a racial profile, unfortunately
  • wsfiredudewsfiredude Member Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Everyone should have the right to own and carry firearms, unless imprisoned, no questions asked.

    +1[;)]
  • pipe7pipe7 Member Posts: 911 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Interesting and passionate replies, but it wasnt a questuon of whether a person has the "Right" to own and carry a firearm. I asked if you personnaly knew people who should "NOT" carry a firearm. Your right everyone should be allowed, but should they really??? Would you trust some of them around your loved ones and friends??? Heck should some of the people on this site be trusted with a firearm around other people. Merely a question[;)]
  • trapguy2007trapguy2007 Member Posts: 8,959
    edited November -1
    I have 2 that I personally know who should not be allowed to carry .
    It is not my call as to what they can or cannot do .
    The one place I am responsible is on my property.
    Neither are allowed in my home with a weapon.
    Every time they show up , I have to ask them to leave their guns in their trucks.
  • Duce1Duce1 Member Posts: 9,329
    edited November -1
    I know how some feel about this but this is my take on it.


    As long as they have not had there rights taken away by a court of law, then you have every right to own a firearm no matter how dumb you can be. You have every right to be stupid and dumb and shoot yourself and if you shoot someone other than yourself the law will take care of the problem you caused by being stupid. There is no statement that says if your stupid you can not own a firearm.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pipe7
    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    Having this quote in mind, how many of you will honestly admit that you personally know individuals who should not be in possession of/ or own a firearm either loaded, unloaded, concealed or in the open. I bring this up because we keep seeing posts of idiots who Negligently kill other people while handling firearms.
    "Guns DO kill people, in the hands of IDIOTS"



    Doesn't matter to me. Bad acts are to be punished, not placing prohibitions of people and/or restrictions on firearms by government.

    This does not negate the need for encouraging people to become proficient in the use and handling of firearms. It simply isn't within the constitutional authority of government to mandate such, nor to infringe on the RTKBA.
  • quickmajikquickmajik Member Posts: 15,576 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • ForkliftkingForkliftking Member Posts: 4,907 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
    Everyone should have the right to own and carry firearms, unless imprisoned, no questions asked.

    +1[;)]

    Everyone? Even the 1st graders at school? 2nd graders? Hell, infants in a nursery should be packing a sidearm incase someone tries to jack their bottle.

    Not everyone should be able to carry firearms.
  • RocklobsterRocklobster Member Posts: 7,060
    edited November -1
    Everyone should absolutely be able to carry firearms, until they make a mistake or intentionally commit a crime. The penalty should come afterwards, not beforehand in some sort of clairvoyant attempt at prevention of something that may or may not occur.
  • wsfiredudewsfiredude Member Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Originally posted by wsfiredude

    Everyone should have the right to own and carry firearms, unless imprisoned, no questions asked.

    +1[;)]


    Everyone? Even the 1st graders at school? 2nd graders? Hell, infants in a nursery should be packing a sidearm incase someone tries to jack their bottle.

    Not everyone should be able to carry firearms.


    Yet it is perfectly acceptable for you to employ shill bidders to raise the auction price of the equipment you sell. You, sir, are in no position to dictate who should or should not be able to do anything.[:(!]
  • ForkliftkingForkliftking Member Posts: 4,907 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
    Originally posted by wsfiredude

    Everyone should have the right to own and carry firearms, unless imprisoned, no questions asked.

    +1[;)]


    Everyone? Even the 1st graders at school? 2nd graders? Hell, infants in a nursery should be packing a sidearm incase someone tries to jack their bottle.

    Not everyone should be able to carry firearms.


    Yet it is perfectly acceptable for you to employ shill bidders to raise the auction price of the equipment you sell. You, sir, are in no position to dictate who should or should not be able to do anything.[:(!]

    And you are?
  • KodiakkKodiakk Member Posts: 5,582
    edited November -1
    Pipe7 you sound like you're a part of the brady bunch by your line of questioning. I'm disapointed so many fell for that.
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    The question was not about rights, but whether certain individuals should own or handle firearms.

    I have two sons. One I will trust with firearms, and the other has no business with them. When it is time to pass on my personal firearms, they will go to one son, while the other son will receive money instead.
  • RockatanskyRockatansky Member Posts: 11,175
    edited November -1
    YEah, the idiots like pipe7 and forkliftking definitely should not have access to any arms as they have hard time understanding very simple words. [xx(]
  • ForkliftkingForkliftking Member Posts: 4,907 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
    YEah, the idiots like pipe7 and forkliftking definitely should not have access to any arms as they have hard time understanding very simple words. [xx(]

    Go back to your porch and strum on your banjo. [:D]
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,224 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    Nope, don't know anybody like that.
  • mrseatlemrseatle Member Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    my IT guy, he jokingly pointed a gun at me ONCE[}:)]
  • toolsforfoolstoolsforfools Member Posts: 1,285 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If it takes an IDIOT to stop the crime rate from rising.I am proud to be one.
  • BlairweescotBlairweescot Member Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    The question was not about rights, but whether certain individuals should own or handle firearms.




    Hi nunn.

    I'm surprised that I need to point this out to you, but the question sure is about rights, unless the 2nd Amendment no longer uses the exact words pipe7 quoted in red. He clearly said "Having this quote in mind, how many of you will honestly admit that you personally know individuals who should not be in possession of/ or own a firearm"

    By definition it includes discussion of that right
  • burdz19burdz19 Member Posts: 4,145
    edited November -1
    for my safety ............ my wife should not be allowed anywhere near firearms
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Some of you are getting nasty again. [xx(]
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