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Neutering male dogs,..............

Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
edited February 2013 in General Discussion
My mothers little Shih-Tzu pooch has reached 7.5 months of age.
She WAS planning on taking him at 6 months, but I bought him some time.

Her vet says before 9 months.
Poor little guy is scheduled for the knife this Friday.

He will not be bred, but at the same time he isn't trying to 'mount' anything, or marking territory inside.

His biggest thrill is when I come over, and he hears the door open. Barks like a pitbull,.....can't figure out how he got that voice.[:)]
After that he runs to me, and after picking him up he goes for his rawhide.

Some type of ritual it seems, as he doesn't do this with my mother.

I'm trying to talk her out of it for awhile longer,.....what say you folks?
"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
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  • beneteaubeneteau Member Posts: 8,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Neuter
    decreases his chance of cancer.
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  • LaidbackDanLaidbackDan Member Posts: 13,142 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just because hes not marking now doesn't mean he wont in the future.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    Just don't do it too early. Some dogs grow unnaturally if you do.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Dont you remember what Bob said?! "Help control the pet populataion...have your pets spayed or neutered"[:D][:p]
  • andrewsw16andrewsw16 Member Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It can also save his life by eliminating his urge to chase after the scent of female dogs in heat. That scent is irresistable for male dogs and cause them to be crossing busy streets or staying out late and becoming coyote chow. If there is no plan to breed, best to go ahead and get him neutered for his own good.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Just don't do it too early. Some dogs grow unnaturally if you do.

    That seems like common sense to me, and the very reason I have been trying to postpone this for the pooch.

    He seems to be real close to full size for his breed,....I hope anyway. Bigger than any either of us has had.

    I was trying to tell her to wait for a full year, but she will probably listen to the vet.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • Riomouse911Riomouse911 Member Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Hassan chop!"
    I say have her do it soon or she'll regret it later.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by beneteau

    Neuter
    decreases his chance of cancer.







    This.

    I wish I had spayed my now deceased Rottie earlier, she developed nearly fatal uterine infections at age seven which necessiated a hysterectomy. Two years later at age nine she was diagnosed with lympho-sarcoma and died within two weeks on 10/1/10. I still miss her terribly.

    My wife and I did get a new dog two weeks later, an eight-week old female Lab/Pointer mix who was rescued by my vet (she was headed to a shelter in Newark, NJ), I had her spayed as soon as possible.
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    I have never had my male or female dogs fixed.
    I don't let them run wild, if I want to breed, I can.
    I had a Japanese Shiba ink, he came down with cancer.
    But from what the oncologist told me, the cancer
    He had was in his genes, it would not have mattered.
    As for my newest buddy,
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Neuter, NOW. Please.
  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,650 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    With my legs crossed I say - do it now. He is old enough and will be a much better pet in the future.
    It's too late for me, save yourself.
  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443
    edited November -1
    I've spent the last 6 months getting a rescue dog (who was neutered just before we met ) to stop peeing in my house.

    I'd be a happier person if someone had done it earlier.
    But I suspect if they had, he'd still be living a nice dry life with the previous owners.

    So it's worth the price.
  • proappproapp Member Posts: 3,264
    edited November -1
    My guess....he wont like it. Scott
  • wundudneewundudnee Member Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Neuter him, he won't look any different when he's 12 years old. If they weren't cute they wouldn't survive. They think they're 10 feet tall and bullet proof.

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  • FEENIXFEENIX Member Posts: 10,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    Neuter, NOW. Please.


    +1! Got Thor fixed at 6 months.
  • BikerBobBikerBob Member Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thor? I'll bet he was. Woke up w/o 'em!
  • 8000fthi8000fthi Member Posts: 864 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There are a lot of reasons to get it done between 6 and 9 mo. Not many reasons to wait. I don't recommend doing it younger than 6 mo like a lot of Humane societies and Animal controls do. That is what I tell my clients. With out going into all the pros and cons I recommend doing it. He'll thank you for it when he is 15 and healthy.
  • saserbysaserby Member Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Another agenda driven public policy. The cancer part may be true. Certainly he will not develop testicular cancer if he has no testes. What they don't tell you is that the lack of testosterone in the early growing period leads to other problems with lack of proper muscularization and weakness in bones and joint issues.

    I had a lab that was neutered before age 1. Great dog. Died of cancer at 10.

    Current Vizsla is 4 and not neutered. The breeder and some others I spoke with advised against it, or to at least delay it past 18 months. No peeing, no aggression. He likes to hump things. Guess what, so did my lab and my female Rott. Go figure.

    This is a social policy very similar to the idea of gun control. Since some cannot control their animals, everyone should spay/neuter before the animal gets out of the house. It's another dumbed down policy for the masses.

    If you decide to neuter, go for it. Don't do it because others try to make you feel bad about not doing it.
  • FEENIXFEENIX Member Posts: 10,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by saserby
    Another agenda driven public policy. The cancer part may be true. Certainly he will not develop testicular cancer if he has no testes. What they don't tell you is that the lack of testosterone in the early growing period leads to other problems with lack of proper muscularization and weakness in bones and joint issues.

    I had a lab that was neutered before age 1. Great dog. Died of cancer at 10.

    Current Vizsla is 4 and not neutered. The breeder and some others I spoke with advised against it, or to at least delay it past 18 months. No peeing, no aggression. He likes to hump things. Guess what, so did my lab and my female Rott. Go figure.

    This is a social policy very similar to the idea of gun control. Since some cannot control their animals, everyone should spay/neuter before the animal gets out of the house. It's another dumbed down policy for the masses.

    If you decide to neuter, go for it. Don't do it because others try to make you feel bad about not doing it.


    Are you kidding me[?]
  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by beneteau

    Neuter
    decreases his chance of cancer.

    Agreed...
  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Animals that are not bred have a higher than normal occurrence of cancer ...

    Neuter

    He'll never know the difference and you, your Mom, and the pup will be just fine...
    MUCH longer.
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This time it appears the majority have it right. Better to neuter than have puppies that go to the pound and be killed for simply existing.
  • CoolhandLukeCoolhandLuke Member Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We had a little terrier female that was never bred and started having uterus contractions and infections at age 8, after much treatment she died.
    Vet told us if she would have been fixed when younger this wouldn'
    have happen.
    We have to fight so we can run away.
    Capt. Jack Sparrow.
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Spay your females. Neuter your males. At what age is a matter for greater minds than mine to debate. I think a good age is around a year, but 9 months would work too.

    IMNSHO, responsible owners spay and neuter, unless they are planning to breed their dogs.
  • TfloggerTflogger Member Posts: 3,400 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I prefer to have dogs neutered or spayed at 9 months or older.
    I've seen more earlier spayed females with spay incontinence (sp?) than ones done later.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well,...I talked her out of it for now. She canceled his appointment for Friday. She is going to wait until about 9 months.

    I had already thought about the testosterone issue myself, before it was mentioned above.
    It just makes sense for him to be fully grown before cutting that off IMO.

    This breed supposedly fully matures by 8 to 9 months.
    Also, I left out the fact that he is not around other dogs, and doesn't run loose outside.

    Totally an inside dog short of taking him out to go to the can.
    Considering the nightmare he started out as, he sure has turned into a well behaved little guy.

    The bark he has is unreal for a dog of this type. I had one, and my mother has had two before him. They sounded like little ankle biters,......this one sounds like a 50 to 60 pound dog when he barks. Very deep pitched, and throaty sounding.

    When I go over there, he hears me open the garage door, and starts with the barks, and runs towards me. It's actually hilarious, as you are expecting a good sized dog, and then this little 12.5 pound thing comes around the corner, and starts wagging his tail, and jumping all over me wanting to be picked up.[:D]

    Only thing that ticks me off is the fault of the breeder.
    She was one of those that don't belive in changing anything that nature provided, and did NOT remove his front dew claws.

    He occasionally scratches the crap out of my legs when I have shorts on.

    The vet my mother uses does not recommend removing them at this point for whatever reason. Said it should have been done at about 2 weeks old.

    Thanks for all the input, and it sure seems like it's best to have it done from all the responses here.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    It will greatly reduce the chance of prostate issues and cancer later in life. I say go for it.

    We lost a Min-Pin to prostate cancer, and the Vet told us that if we had gotten him fixed, it probably would have never happened.
  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,650 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    saserby: "He likes to hump things".

    Eddie: "Best just to let him have his way, Clark".
    It's too late for me, save yourself.
  • evileye fleagalevileye fleagal Member Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    just get you some rubber-bands, good and tight if they swell its not tight enough. let them drop off save the money.
  • oldrideroldrider Member Posts: 4,934 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dheffley
    It will greatly reduce the chance of prostate issues and cancer later in life. I say go for it.

    We lost a Min-Pin to prostate cancer, and the Vet told us that if we had gotten him fixed, it probably would have never happened.


    That would work on humans, too, Danny but I don't see many men lining up to get neutered!
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Fixing a male takes all of the aggression out of him.

    That is a popular myth.

    Our latest police dog, a very active and aggressive Malinois, is a neutered male.

    On the home front, Dawnie's big pup Jake is a neutered male, and I would not advise coming into the house uninvited when she is there with him.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    quote:Fixing a male takes all of the aggression out of him.

    That is a popular myth.

    Our latest police dog, a very active and aggressive Malinois, is a neutered male.

    On the home front, Dawnie's big pup Jake is a neutered male, and I would not advise coming into the house uninvited when she is there with him.
    But does it not make you question what their level of aggression would be were they not cut? It is a relative scale after all.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    quote:Fixing a male takes all of the aggression out of him.

    That is a popular myth.

    Our latest police dog, a very active and aggressive Malinois, is a neutered male.

    On the home front, Dawnie's big pup Jake is a neutered male, and I would not advise coming into the house uninvited when she is there with him.
    But does it not make you question what their level of aggression would be were they not cut? It is a relative scale after all.


    Had a Doberman * who wasn't aggressive at all.
    But protective of all she considered 'her's'.
    Visciously protective.

    I'll take that over aggressive every day.
    And she didn't have equipment.
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:But does it not make you question what their level of aggression would be were they not cut? It is a relative scale after all.

    Not at all. When you spend $20,000 for a police dog, there can be no room for questions.
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Completely against "fixing" any dog or cat.They were born to procreate ,so let them live a normal life.How would you like to be "fixed"?Its a crime against nature.[xx(]
  • FEENIXFEENIX Member Posts: 10,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pwillie
    Completely against "fixing" any dog or cat.They were born to procreate ,so let them live a normal life.How would you like to be "fixed"?Its a crime against nature.[xx(]


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  • wild cat manwild cat man Member Posts: 524 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    you say not agressive after nuter you get it and see if it takes any of the fight out of you. ithink it would be the other way around . i say and my vet says 9 months.
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Completely against "fixing" any dog or cat.They were born to procreate ,so let them live a normal life.How would you like to be "fixed"?Its a crime against nature.

    What color is the sky on your planet? On mine, the sky is blue, and the shelters, kill and no-kill, and foster homes, are filled to over-flowing with unwanted dogs and cats whose only fault was being the offspring of animals doing what "NATURE" called them to do.

    You ask how I would like to be fixed? So, animals and humans are the same? You were "born to procreate," were you not? Do you control your procreation? If so, that is a crime against nature, is it not? If not, how do you support all your children, both legitimate and illegitimate?

    I really can't believe that the post to which I am responding here is serious. You should use the green font when being sarcastic.
  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by oldrider
    quote:Originally posted by dheffley
    It will greatly reduce the chance of prostate issues and cancer later in life. I say go for it.

    We lost a Min-Pin to prostate cancer, and the Vet told us that if we had gotten him fixed, it probably would have never happened.


    That would work on humans, too, Danny but I don't see many men lining up to get neutered!


    Men are not animals that someone else owns or is responsible for, but that being said, I have known a few who should be fixed. Like the fool who has 30 kids by over 20 women with no job and has never paid a dime in child support.[V]
  • hillbillehillbille Member Posts: 14,463 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 46270
    I have never had my male or female dogs fixed.
    I don't let them run wild, if I want to breed, I can.
    I had a Japanese Shiba ink, he came down with cancer.
    But from what the oncologist told me, the cancer
    He had was in his genes, it would not have mattered.
    As for my newest buddy,
    dogs193.jpg


    Dang, better get that little guys ears nuetered, or he's gonna fly away on the next windy day.......
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