in true G. Dubya form

r.e.bob · October 2001

Subject: In true G dubya form! A reporter who was allowed to sit in on the cabinet meetings this past week reported this quote from President Bush: "The last thing that I want to do is to launch a $10 million missile at a $10 tent and hit a camel in the *."

If you hit your target every time, you're too close.

Andrew Adams · October 2001

That's a great quote!

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kimberkid · October 2001

Sounds like at least one person is thinking ... but can that really happen in government?

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badboybob · October 2001

Yes it can Kimberkid. Let's see, in my lifetime we had Truman, Ike, Reagan, Bush 1 and now Bush 2. Nixon was a nazi, Ford was honest, Carter was inept and the rest were socialists. Consider (shudder) Al Sore as prez. Then look at the current administration and I think you will agree that our government is in good shape.

opentop · October 2001

Early on in this whole thing, Secretary Of Defense Rumsfeld was holding a press conference and a reporter asked him a question after which Mr. Rumsfeld paused for quite some time before responding. The next reporter to ask a question said, "Mr. Secretary, that pause before answering the last question asked was about the longest I've ever seen". To which the Defense Secretary replied, "Well, I'm the kind of guy who likes to engage my brain before I engage my mouth". Words to live by...

kimberkid · October 2001

badboybob,I was just concidering, it seems like its been a long time since we've heard anything that wasn't double talk coming from the government. That quote seemed pretty clear AND made sence.I wasn't around for Harry T., and don't remember Ike ... only from JFK on, and don't remember him or Johnson well (still in grade school), so in my lifetime (44years) I don't recall many Presidents that you could actually respect ... least of all scandle after scandle for the last 8 years.

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badboybob · October 2001

You're right Kimberkid. You've seen the worst of the worst (except Roosevelt. He's the socialist that started it all.) And most of what we've gotten in the past is not just double talk bur outright lies.[This message has been edited by badboybob (edited 10-11-2001).]

ibtrukn · October 2001

I think thats funny as hell. Proves W. hasn't lost his sense of humor in this time of trials and tribulations. and was jfk and johnson left out of that illustrious list for a reason? makes me wonder.

mudge · October 2001

I've seen all of 'em from FDR to Dubya and have to agree with what's been said about them. As for omitting JFK an LBJ, the best you could say about JFK was that he would have made an average high school social studies teacher and LBJ was simply a schemer and conniver. Neither of them worth a mention in the list of good and bad. Neither of them would have made the "good" list and they would have had to dug their way up to make the "bad" list. Somebody posted this before but it's worth repeating. JFK had to accept election by a majority, ol' Joe couldn't afford a landslide. Damn.....you got me started on the Kennedys again. Why do you do that?Mudge

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Andrew Adams · October 2001

Let me make sure I'm understanding your classification of Presidents before I respond.Socialists:TrumanEisenhowerReaganBushBushPresumably also Kennedy and JohnsonNazi:NixonHonest:FordIncompetent:CarterAm I correctly interpreting what you are saying with this list?If so, then I guess some of you guys are more right wing than I am. I've never heard Reagan referred to as a Socialist before.

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Iconoclast · October 2001

Andrew, dano is the official pot stirrer, don't forget [grin]. My personal ratings (as I don my flameproof suit):FDR: Socialist Autocrat & less polite terms.HST: Didn't agree w/ everything he did, but sure had to admire & respect the man.IKE: A little naive politically (Earl Warren) but good man & Prez.JFK: Best of the Kennedy clan and a role model for Klinton - says something about the rest of them, doesn't it, mudge?LBJ: The Prez who taught Klinton the impor- tance of honesty in government.RMN: How do you spell crook? But a patriot nonetheless. He *could* have disputed the Ill. election returns in 1960, but the nation's needs ahead of his ego. Nazi is a bit strong, but he sure had a tendency to think that way.GRF: Honest. Absolutely. Press butchered him.JEC: Elevated incompetent mgmt to an Olympic sport. And the most naive Prez ever.RON: Great mgmt team, great speaker and had a good woman to tell him what to do.GB1: Read my lips, I will betray the NRA.HRC: Her husband was a disgrace, even as a figurehead. Worst we ever had.GB2: JMHO, but shows signs of being our best since Teddy Roosevelt.OK, now that I've clarified it for you, Andrew, I await the assorted assaults on my intelligence [grin].

barnratdevaney · October 2001

That sounds like GW. My wife owns a restaurant, and when he was running in the primaries back in 99 he and his Texas Rangers came in, and we had a few laughs. Of course, all wanted pictures taken with him, and when it was the wife's turn, she said to me "Come on over here with us." GW turned to her and said " Don't you think he'll ruin the picture?" Can't deny the fact I liked him immediately, it was the same kind of smart-* remark I'd have made myself. He is quick-witted, despite what his detractors want us to think.

turbo · October 2001

Your being to hard on some of, good past Presidents, cause you leave out the other side of the equation.When you have a Democratic congress with a Repub. President, there is no way any president can shine, when the press and congress have the edge.It's the first time I heard Reagan called a socialist, and Nixon (if it's true, he didn't challenge the rigged elections in Chicago in the interest of the nation) and remember he stepped down,showing he had a sense of honor.Unlike Willy, who was impeached, after lieing in a court of law, and to the American people, he felt then and feels today, he is innocent.Andrew AI don't know where you get your information, but Socialism is not a part of the right agenda. You need to rethink this, some of these guys that post their positions herein don't understand the left or right of center agendas. If you ask any of them the first thing they will answer the right believes in God, and the Far Right are religous zealots, beyond that they would have you believe anything else, to discredit the conservative citizens of this fie country.Your list of socialist is way presidents is way off.Then again it depends what your defition of the word "is", is. [This message has been edited by turbo (edited 10-11-2001).][This message has been edited by turbo (edited 10-11-2001).]

badboybob · October 2001

Andrew if you were referring to my post please read it again. I thought I had separated the good from the bad. Also read Iconoclast's post. He's in sync with me.

Judge Dread · October 2001

Camels are kept outside the tents that meanshe wants the $10 tent hit with the $10m missile? .

I judge Thee!, Not for what you are , but for what you say !

11thcanopy · October 2001

The thing I miss most re:Nixon is Spiro Agnew, a real American !!Regarding Jimmy Carter, Of all the things he did, giving away our "ditch" irritated me the most.11thcanopy

Rosie · October 2001

WHOA! Back up the * there bobby boy. Just when i was getting to like you and think you had a brain you go and say something stupid. I think you better go back and take another look. If it hadn't been for Roosevelt, Churchill and some of our great generals and all our fighting men you would be speaking German or Japanese right now. Roosevelt and damn proud of it.

Andrew Adams · October 2001

Let me clarify my earlier post. I was confused by the way someone else posted them and was trying to clarify them. I do not agree at all with the classification on my earlier post, I was just trying to make sure I understood what was going on before I weighed in.Here are my feelings. Remember that my earliest memory of Presidential politics is watching Ronaldus Magnus trounce Walter Mondale in election returns (I was six). However, based on my readings and what I've heard, I will weigh in with my opinions.Herbert HOover, Well-intentioned, unlucky, in way over his head.FDR, did what he thought was right. Courageous. Totally wrong. All of this New Deal crap should have had expiration dates built right into it.HST, Too liberal for my taste. Mixed record in war time. Outstanding in WW II, terrible in Korea. Underwent the steepest learning curve of any president ever. Laid the foundation for a victory in the cold war. Ike, Underrated. Was able to steer America through the beginnings of the cold war with relative harmony. Managed the Cold War better than any President up to Reagan. Shouldn't have screwed Nixon in '60.Kennedy, should have spent more time focusing on the country and less thinking about that place between Marilyn's thighs. Cut taxes, other than that was a Socialist. Totally bricked the Vietnam deal. Fortunately for his legacy, he died before any of his shortcomings came back to bite him in the rear.Johnson, The closest thing to a Communist we've ever had in the White House. His Great Society was a recipe for disaster. Worst wartime President in history. Continued the ineptiude of Kennedy with regard to Vietnam. Should have been beaten by Goldwater.Nixon, thought he could get away with what Kennedy pulled in '60 and was wrong. Should have abandoned Vietnam in '69 when it was clear that we no longer had the political will to fight the war with the goal of winning. In my view prolonged the war for political advantage. Domestically, he had some good ideas. If he had been as likeable as Kennedy, his legacy would be much better.Ford, was a tremendous crisis President. Took over the office in a bad time and made a courageous, and correct decision when he pardoned Nixon. Had absolutely no chance of winning in '76. He did nothing with the oil situation when he should have.Carter, one of the best intentioned presidents ever when it comes to foreign policy. His domestic policy was a nightmare. Unfortunately, he was so idealistic when it came ot the Mid East that he only succeeded in leaving a mess that every one of his successors had to deal with. Too bad he wasn't president of Habitat for Humanity instead of the country.Ronald Reagan, What can I say, he won the Cold War, fixed the economic mess left him by Carter, made conservatism popular again, and set the stage for incredible economic growth. At times he dropped the ball on immigration, but other than that held the Presidency with great dignity and did a tremendous job with the office.George Bush. Did almost everything a President can do. Presided over the most successful military campaign in US history when measured in terms of casualty ratio, there was great economic growth in his time, and he also got to see the dissolution of the Eastern Bloc and the Soviet Union. He forgot that conservatism was popular in the post-Reagan era, and decided that he needed to run to the middle since someone in the media said so. Therefore, he lost his office.Klinton. Overtly Socialist. Tried to take over 1/5 of the US economy. Spent way too much time thinking in a Kennedyrific way, except that at least with Kennedy it was Marilyn and every red blooded American male understands that. With Klinton, it was a series of women who looked like they'd not place at the Westminster. He presided over the most tumultous and second most corrupt administration ever (take a look at Chester Arthur). He was the beneficiary of a great economy from Reagan, and a Republican congress was able to keep him from screwing it up too bad until they got greedy in 1999. Was able to go to war and risk American troops to save his own political skin. NO other President has displayed such a stunning disregard for American Military lives.George W. Bush, has the makings of a great President. It is too early to evaluate his domestic policy, but a tax cut was a great start. He seems to be really shining in a time of war, I expect this to continue. May end up as one of our greatest presidents, it remains to be seen how he finishes out his career.

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Iconoclast · October 2001

Rosie - I'm criticizing just the Hyde Park branch of the Roosevelt clan. His cousin was one of greatest. There are probably some good folks out there right now wishing their last name wasn't the same as Bubba Slick's. I must, however, respectfully disagree w/ your characterization (by implication) of FDR as a 'great' President. His Socialist programs did relieve some of the pain of the Depression, but a close look at the situation in 1936-1941 shows that we were headed back into it before war intervened while the 'right' to state support of the individual has become so ingrained in our culture that it will never, ever, be eradicated. The US success in the war was due far more to our military leadership than to his political leadership. Remember his famous words "I can handle Stalin" as he proceeded to cede the freedom of Eastern Europe in the face of Churchill's protests? He didn't have a strategic grasp of long term consequences, domestically or externally. Long term, unless events eventually convey that 'honor' to Carter, his was the most disastrous Administration in our history.

in true G. Dubya form

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