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Is there a Semi-Auto 30-30?

E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
I know 7.62x39 is supposed to be the same but it just occurred to me that I have never seen a semi-auto 30-30 Winchester.I see almost every Rifle round but 30-30.Is there a company that makes one?And if not does anybody know why?

Eric S. Williams
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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    John Browning made a semi-auto lever action about 1898, could have been in 30-30.
    BTW, I wouldn't class the 7.62X39 up with the 30-30. The 7.62 is a 123 gr bullet at about 2300 FPS while the 30-30 is a 150 gr. @ about 2400 FPS. BIG BIG difference!!

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Uuuuuuh-huh.....

    Let me just say that in the .45 ACP caliber are rounds from 185 grains to 240 grains, at speeds from about 800 to about 1200 fps, in hollowpoint, plain lead, and cased roundnose -- and that's all within the same caliber. Make of that what you will.

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    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

    Edited by - offeror on 08/16/2002 01:45:04
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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    Just using standard commercial and military loadings. Could have used 170 gr @ 2500 fps for the 30-30 but it is a little bit hot!

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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    Wolfe is actually making a new 150 grain load for the 7.62X39 at a rated 2150 FPS.

    Although not exactly a 30-30 the Remington Model 8 was chambered for the 30 Remington which was the equivalant of the 30-30 Win. Still have ammo on the shelves here in Bethel.

    AlleninAlaska

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  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Member Posts: 5,378 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    To answer your 30-30 question yes and no. The .30 Remington round was often called 30-30 Remington in it's earlier days. There was a company that made a semi-auto/pump action in 30 Remington and posibly 30-30 winchester. I say posibly because I've never seen one chambered for a rimmed cartridge yet references list it as available in 30-30. The company was Standard Arms, the gun was the model G. The gun was the first gas operated gun manufactured in the US and was introduced circa 1910. The gas port on this rifle could be closed and it could be operated as a pump action.

    Woods

    Edited by - woodsrunner on 08/16/2002 02:41:33
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  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    Peace, Brother Williams. I meant no offense and was entirely in jest.

    I'm just preempting those posts that seem to crop up everytime a Russian round or weapon gets mentioned that insist that nothing short of worthless obsolete garbage has ever come out of Russia's arms factories.

    I suggest they should mention that to the enormous Chinese army, being that despite their vast financial resources, they think it's just dandy and see no need for a change. Imagine that. Dumb Commies.
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm not sure, but I think that the .30-30win has a higher case capacity than the 7.62x39. I'm sure you could probably have a semi-auto British BREN converted to shoot .30-30win. You'd spend alot of cash having the barrel made, but it would be a very unique piece.

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    Eric, just pulling your chain on that 7.62X39 minor caliber stuff. As I said, the ONLY semi-auto 30-30 I have heard of was the experimantal model John Browning made up (as a demonstration of muzzle gasses) where he turned a lever action (model 94?) into a semi-auto repeater and then into a full auto!

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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bullzeye like I said its late and Im tired I get grumpy around these hours.I apologze,no quarrel.I realized that after I had already taken it the wrong way.

    Eric S. Williams
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  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    Dang it Bullzeye!

    Just when it was getting quiet around here, you begin to stir the pot and then what?? You have to go and mess it up common sense.

    WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM????????

    Couldn't you post something ludicris so we can get with the business of chewing on each other again???

    PLEASE? It's much too quiet in here.

    Aglore- When is that Wolf ammo due out? What types of bullets will they offer? Any idea if it's going to be the standard Wolf steel laquered case or will it be something else?

    E. Williams- Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but, I kinda thought that I've seen a few different rifles in 30-30 Win. beside lever actions. I want to say that Savage(?) made a autoloader rifle and I really think that Browning made a 30-30 other than a lever.

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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wolf already offers 7.62x39 in a 154 grain softpoint, 4 grains heavier than a standard .30-30. Also don't forget you'll get more penetration from a pointed bullet than a "cowboy" roundnose, jacketed or not.


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    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • Warpig883Warpig883 Member Posts: 6,459
    edited November -1
    The rifle that you speak of that John Browning made into the first gas operated automatic was way before the 30-30 came to be. JMB made this gun in the late 18180's or 1890's. if you need the exact details I have them and can post them for you.

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  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    To my knowledge, the .30 WCF has never been chambered in a semi-auto. Even in a bolt action, the rimmed case design is less than optimum, to be diplomatic. Probably someone, somewhere, had such a bright idea with this cartridge, but man, why? There are so many better cartridges & designs, why fight with something intrinsically flawed for that purpose?
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