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Am I missing something? How is this auction legal

BHAVINBHAVIN Member Posts: 3,490 ✭✭
edited September 2010 in General Discussion
How is it legal to ship this pistol to a persons home? This is new to me.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=191950699
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  • SturmgewehrSturmgewehr Member Posts: 4,420
    edited November -1
    [:0] maniacs !
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  • bhale187bhale187 Member Posts: 7,798
    edited November -1
    maybe he is assuming a CR will buy it [?]
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  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209 ✭
    edited November -1
    I don't see where he says that he'll ship it so somebody's home.
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  • SturmgewehrSturmgewehr Member Posts: 4,420
    edited November -1
    Am I missing something?


    It's called the Constitution..
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  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 17,041 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
    I don't see where he says that he'll ship it so somebody's home.


    Me either ,,other than the price is to high, which would be a robbery if he sold it,,wording looks ok.
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  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He must have changed the description or you read it wrong cuz I don't see anywhere in the ad where he says the gun is being shipped to someones home. If you meant the adult signature thing-that is a UPS deal-the gun should be C&R eligable anyway and that would require a signature if going to that persons house.
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  • likemhotlikemhot Member Posts: 2,885 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes he changed the description
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  • andrewsw16andrewsw16 Member Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The listing specifically says he will ship only to an FFL. But, just for conversation sake, doesn't federal law allow him to ship directly to a buyer IF that buyer is a resident of the same state as him? But, figure the odds. With 49 other states, the buyer will probably NOT be from his state.
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  • nutfinnnutfinn Member Posts: 12,808 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yep, it stated that this item ships to your home, or somethnig like that [8D]
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  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    The listing specifically says he will ship only to an FFL. But, just for conversation sake, doesn't federal law allow him to ship directly to a buyer IF that buyer is a resident of the same state as him? But, figure the odds. With 49 other states, the buyer will probably NOT be from his state.


    Actually, it doesn't say that either.

    "AUCTION IS FOR A COLT 1908 POCKET HAMMERLESS 25ACP SEMI AUTOMATIC PISTOL. SERIAL #218433 MADE IN 1910. I AM A FFL DEALER. NOT FOR SALE TO STATES OR AREAS WHERE ILLEGAL TO SHIP.ADD 3% FOR CREDIT CARD SALES. MICHIGAN SALES ADD TAX. ADD $3.00 IF SIGNITURE FOR DELIVERY IS REQUESTED. NOT FOR SALE TO ALASKA OR HAWAII. "
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  • andrewsw16andrewsw16 Member Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    True. My mistake. I was looking at the part just above there and at the bottom of the page where it says:

    Firearms may only be shipped to a licensed dealer (FFL Holder).

    But the question still stands about the absolute truth of that statement if the buyer is a legal resident of the same state. At least here in NV, you can sell and ship directly to a private buyer, but ONLY if they are NV residents.
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  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    True. My mistake. I was looking at the part just above there and at the bottom of the page where it says:

    Firearms may only be shipped to a licensed dealer (FFL Holder).

    But the question still stands about the absolute truth of that statement if the buyer is a legal resident of the same state. At least here in NV, you can sell and ship directly to a private buyer, but ONLY if they are NV residents.


    As for that, I believe it has to be a face to face sale, but I'm not sure.
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  • StampedeStampede Member Posts: 131 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The way I read it was that the item can only be shipped to a licensed gun dealer. And am I missing something or does the bidding not end until 10/05?
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  • BHAVINBHAVIN Member Posts: 3,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    He changed it after I posted this. It originally said that "he was an FFL but that this would ship directly to your home". I had sent him an email this morning just being neighborly. He just emailed emailed and thanked me for catching his mistake. He said GB sent him an email this morning about it as well.
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  • BHAVINBHAVIN Member Posts: 3,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    ANDREWSW16. An FFL may be able to ship to an individual in NV from NV but the individual would FIRST still have to go to that FFL to fill out the 4473 paperwork. That has to be done in person and called in when the person and the firearm are physically there.
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  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by BHAVIN
    ANDREWSW16. An FFL may be able to ship to an individual in NV from NV but the individual would FIRST still have to go to that FFL to fill out the 4473 paperwork. That has to be done in person and called in when the person and the firearm are physically there.


    What about a non FFL in NV selling to another non FFL in NV? Can it be shipped within the state? Or do they have to meet face to face?
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  • andrewsw16andrewsw16 Member Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ah. I think that is the point. An FFL has to have face to face, but a private seller can sell and ship to a private buyer IN STATE. Too many fine points in our gun laws. Too many chances to step on your own ..ck.
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  • dongizmodongizmo Member Posts: 14,477 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by BHAVIN
    He changed it after I posted this. It originally said that "he was an FFL but that this would ship directly to your home". I had sent him an email this morning just being neighborly. He just emailed emailed and thanked me for catching his mistake. He said GB sent him an email this morning about it as well.

    Yep, I still had the window open, here is a C&P:
    quote:AUCTION IS FOR A COLT 1908 POCKET HAMMERLESS 25ACP SEMI AUTOMATIC PISTOL. SERIAL #218433 MADE IN 1910. I AM A FFL DEALER,BUT THIS WILL SHIP TO YOUR HOME. NOT FOR SALE TO STATES OR AREAS WHERE ILLEGAL TO SHIP.ADD 3% FOR CREDIT CARD SALES. MICHIGAN SALES ADD TAX. ADD $3.00 IF SIGNITURE FOR DELIVERY IS REQUESTED. NOT FOR SALE TO ALASKA OR HAWAII.
    He has fixed it...
    Don
    The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools.
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