In order to participate in the GunBroker Member forums, you must be logged in with your GunBroker.com account. Click the sign-in button at the top right of the forums page to get connected.

Handgun Age Limit?

jimmyconwayjimmyconway Member Posts: 93 ✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
From what I understand, federal law states that you must be 21 years old to buy a handgun or handgun ammunition. However, I've read that in Texas (where I live) you only have to be 18 to purchase a handgun or ammunition. Is this incorrect? How old do you have to be?
· Share on FacebookShare on Twitter

Comments

  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Federal Laws supersedes state law. Back in the day, clinton and his goons decided that the majority of criminals were under the age of 21 and figured that if they made it illegal for anyone under 21 to have a handgun it would cut down on crime. What an idiot. All it did was make things for law abiding citzens a hassle. I used to have to resort to less than legal and ethical means to get ammo for the sheriffs acadamy until my 21st birthday. I've had a handgun since I was a teenager. Have always carried one with me on trips to austin to visit my sister since I could drive there. I don't agree with or respect alot of those laws, nor do I obide by them. The 2nd amendment didn't specify age limits, and I personally believe them to be unconstitutional and unAmerican. Any law that comes from Kommunist Kalifornia or Komrad Klinton is not American, cause they aren't American.

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    Federal law states 21. Don't know what Texas law says. You can buy ammo that is used in a rifle or handgun at 18. 22lr, 45 Colt etc; but not ammo that is used exclusively in a handgun.

    The 21 year age limit on handgun ammo was way before Klinton's days. I remember seeing signs in stores at least 15 years ago or earlier.

    AlleninAlaska

    He who dares not offend cannot be honest.
    -- Thomas Paine



    Edited by - aglore on 08/15/2002 01:42:13
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    How come they just recently started enforcing it within the last 5 years?

    There's no such thing as ammo exclusively used in a handgun. Try to name one that you'd find at any sporting goods store, and I bet I can find a long gun that was made to shoot it.

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
    edited November -1
    25 acp. How many rifles were made for that?

    To err is human, to moo is bovine.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
    edited November -1
    480 ruger

    To err is human, to moo is bovine.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • TazmuttTazmutt Member Posts: 862 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    32acp, 380 auto ...
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    quote: Federal Laws supersedes state law
    NO THEY DON'T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    quote: Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.



    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
    edited November -1
    9X18 Makarov. CCI and Federal are making ammo for it, I assume it counts.

    On the 480 Ruger, I didn't think they've had time to make a rifle in that round yet. Maybe I'm wrong...

    To err is human, to moo is bovine.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Try this site...just click on the state and it will list that state's gun laws... also on the site are Federal gun laws...
    Hope it answers your questions.... state of Texas lists 21 as the age...

    http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws.asp?FormMode=state


    Lil' Stinker's opinion
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    The very same day my son registers for the draft he should be able to buy himself a handgun and a beer if he wishes to do so. If hes old enouph to defend this country hes old enouph to defend himself and drink a beer by God.
    Does the law prohibit posession or only the purchase?

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    At our local Walmart you have to be 21 to buy 22 shells.But as far as others goes,I wonder what they do about other pistol calibers that are also chambered for a Rifle?

    Rugster
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Ronald J. SnowRonald J. Snow Member Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is a form, ATF 5300.2 (7-98) Youth Handgun Safety Act Notice that spells out the age requirements very clearly. Section (3) "Federal law prohibits, except in certain limited circumstances, anyone under 18 years of age from knowingly possessing a handgun, or any person from selling, delivering, or otherwise transferring a handgun to a person under 18." In addition to this form, ATF sent to every FFL holder a notice that is required to be posted in their store that states the same thing. I am not a law student but I do know that state laws cannot relax a federal law; however, a state or municipality can pass a similar law that is more restrictive than the federal law. In the front of the 23rd edition of State Laws and Published Ordnances-Firearms, page xvii, under Federal Age Restrictions it spells out as follows: The following is provided due to lower age provisions in some State and local ordinances: Federal law prohibits Federal firearms licensees from selling or delivering "any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonalbe cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age, and if the firearm is other than a shotgun or rifle or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age. Where State or local law is MORE restrictive then the Federal law, the State/local law shall apply. A PUBLISHERS NOTE at the bottom of the page goes on to state: "Ammunition interchangeable between rifles and handguns (such as .22 caliber rimfire) may be sold to an individual 18 years of age or older, but less than 21, if the licensee is satisified that the ammunition is being acquired for use in a rifle."

    Saxon: Under GCA 68, 922(x)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer to a person who the transferor knows or has reason to believe is a juvenile-(A)a handgun; or (B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.

    I realize that many people do not agree with CGA68; however, it is the law and should be upheld until changes can be made. In the past we had to record every ammunition sale for handgun ammo and that requirement was eliminated. However, as usual, the restrictions added have greatly outweighed those eliminated.





    Edited by - Ronald J. Snow on 08/15/2002 15:19:39
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    It is an unlawful law, not the law, the law clearly states that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. All other "laws" not defined in the constitution that contradict the constitution itself are unlawful.

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Smokeeater 38Smokeeater 38 Member Posts: 2,735
    edited November -1
    In Indiana, you can get a Personal Protection or Hunting & Target permit at 18 but you have to be 21 to purchase a handgun. My first pistol, a Ruger Mark II 22LR, my dad had to buy for me. Around 25 years ago, I remember that when I needed 22LR shells my mom would have to buy them for me and since they could be used in a handgun she would have her name & address logged in a book at the store. Thankfully that is no longer done.

    I think that it should be only the men & women that have taken the responsibility to serve our country that should have the right to buy handguns & handgun ammo and if they want a beer at the age of 18. They are taught about respect for firearms and responsibility in Basic. This differs from most, not all, of the kids today.

    My 2 cents


    I rush in where others flee.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    I sure wish that some of these people that keep spouting off about unconstitutional laws would put there money where their mouths are. Maybe once and for all we would actually find out what is and what isn't unconstitutional.

    AlleninAlaska

    He who dares not offend cannot be honest.
    -- Thomas Paine
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • 96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    It takes 10 years for a handgun to mature. When it reaches 10 years of age it is kicked out of the nest or factory. Sometimes upon reaching a wholesaler it is sold with it's siblings to a good home. If it goes past the age limit of 12 years it it melted down and re-incarnated as a Glock where in the previous life it may have been a Jennings. Hope that answers your question jimmy.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
    edited November -1
    The Second Ammendment is pretty self explanitory for those who can read. I think that you will find most people here believe any gun law that infringes on the right to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional.

    To err is human, to moo is bovine.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Ronald J. SnowRonald J. Snow Member Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Saxon: I would gladly mail you a copy of the Youth Handgun Act but you can see and copy it for yourself by going to www.atf.treas.gov, clicking Publications and scrolling down to Firearms and Explosives Publications to I5300.2 (Youth Handgun Safety Act Notice). 04/19/1999 was the date of Columbine incident but this act came into being in July of 1998.



    Edited by - Ronald J. Snow on 08/15/2002 18:12:17
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • jimmyconwayjimmyconway Member Posts: 93 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Okay, how about this? Let's assume that I can purchase a handgun, but not from a FFL dealer. If I were to buy a handgun, say, off of this website, and have it sent to a FFL dealer, would it be legal for me to pick it up there if I bought it from an individual?
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • RancheroPaulRancheroPaul Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just a note here about the State of Utah. Utah Law provides that you cannot "purchase" a handgun if you are under the age of 21. You cannot "own" a handgun if you are under age 18.

    However, Utah Law also provides that to be licensed as an "Armed Security Guard" in this state, you must be a minimum of 18 years of age. So,.......

    You cannot buy a gun to work as an armed security guard if you are under 21, but you can be licensed as an armed security guard if 18 or older.....you just can't buy a gun to work with.

    Now I come to the dumb question: "What is a Utah Licensed Armed Security Guard to do about a firearm if he/she is under 18 years of age?" Must they "steal" one or in the alternative, do they get someone to do a "Straw Purchase" for them? Both options being illegal under the laws.......what is the alternative for such a person?

    I just remembered, "They simply go to the Weekly Rental store and Rent one." That way they aren't "Buying, Stealing, or making straw purchases."

    Is this BS or what?

    If You Can't Buy a Pair, Get a Spare!

    Edited by - RancheroPaul on 08/15/2002 18:58:49
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • gunpaqgunpaq Member Posts: 4,607 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know what the laws were then , but when I was 14 my dad gave me a .357 Ruger Blackhawk. I never had any problem buying ammo in any of the stores or carrying it for for hunting & trapping in PA.

    Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ok, now I try to hold up to what I said. I'll add some more when I get a chance to really think about it.

    EMF made a rifle called the AP-74, it was available in .22lr AND .32ACP.

    Take a MAC-11 .380acp, put a carbine conversion on it and you have a .380acp rifle. There are also some sporterized submachineguns that were modified into carbines that fire the .380acp.

    I'm still looking for a .25acp, but I think I know where to find one.

    And as far as the .480ruger, its pretty new, but you'll see rifles poping out for it soon, especially ones like the Thompson Contender, I'm sure there are already custom ones chambered for it.

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
    edited November -1
    Lee,

    It almost seems like, years ago, I remember someone )private builder) making up a miniature Thompson in .25 ACP. By years ago I mean back 25 to 40 years ago, and it was a one of a kind, gunsmithing special in a gun rag, maybe Shooting Times or Guns and Ammo. But then again, maybe that was just something I remember thinking to myself would be kinda interesting back then. It would be hard to locate, and may have been a product of my immagination all those years ago.

    I knew they would be coming out with a 480 ruger in a rifle eventually, but haven't seen any yet. It's just a matter of time, of course, if the 480 catches on at all.

    Hope you don't mind me taking you up on the challenge, just couldn't resist.

    To err is human, to moo is bovine.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know that for a short time Auto Ord made one in a 10mm, but I never heard of a .25acp, thats pretty interesting. I've found a couple of very small submachine pistols chambered for the .25acp, but yet to find a carbine version. I have seen in person a custom built martini action based rifle that was chambered for the .25acp but that was it.

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:

    I think that it should be only the men & women that have taken the responsibility to serve our country that should have the right to buy handguns & handgun ammo and if they want a beer at the age of 18. They are taught about respect for firearms and responsibility in Basic. This differs from most, not all, of the kids today.


    I respect your view though I disagree with it. But am just curious. Would you consider a law enforcement officer, a person who has served our country? I unfortunately didn't have the oppurtunity to enlist in the military after highschool do to a medical condition, but am currently pursuing a job in law enforcement.

    Also, have you ever read the book Starship Troopers? Not the movie, two totally different beasts.

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    In the book, you had to earn your citzenship by serving, though there were other means. And there was a job in service for everyone, no matter what their disability. In a way, I like the idea. Cause how can you respect something unless your willing to fight for it?

    If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.

    The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • MrNathanLeeMrNathanLee Member Posts: 68 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    hey lee try the .50AE or thew .440 Cor-Bon ... both are a deagle round and i believe are too new to be used in a rifle and would also just be useless in a rifle cause of the other more powerful rifle rounds

    Gun control is being able to hit your target...Enemy Down
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Ronald J. SnowRonald J. Snow Member Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    RancheroPaul: In my first reply you will note that, on the second line, it states "except in certain limited circumstances" and the Youth Handgun Act phamplet mentioned in my second posting. This phamplet explains those circumstances; one of them being in the course of employment.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
    edited November -1
    Hey Lee, SaxonPig has a point. Taking a M11 pistol and converting it to a rifle doesn't change it's legal status as pistol. Blame SaxonPig for that observation, not me. I might let you get away with it, but there are a lot of people here who seem to be interested in the literal interpretation of the law. :-)

    To err is human, to moo is bovine.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
Sign In or Register to comment.