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HELP!! Glock Questions...please? :)
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Ok, Ive been really working at getting a Colt Delta Elite 10mm...but the deal fell thru.
In my gunshop today, and my guy asks me if I liked Glocks, I said NO, they don't fit my hand...and they just don't feel right.
He pulled out a New in box Glock 20,(not the 20C) 10mm w/2 15rnd.mags...
plus mag extentensions (adds about 3/4") that makes it a 17 rounder...fixed reg. sights...and it felt great!
Trijicon nights would be thrown on soon anyhow.
QUESTIONS FOR YOU GLOCK PEOPLE:
1) Is $550 out the door, tax and all a decent price? High? Inline?
2) Is the Glock any damn good? Never learned about 'em, cause they all felt like crap...until this one. Feel free to elaborate here..[:D]
3) Any problems with the model 20?
Please feel free to ADD and say whatever, and thanks in advance...have to go do some things and will check back in about an hour or so...thanks a bunch guys...[;)]
In my gunshop today, and my guy asks me if I liked Glocks, I said NO, they don't fit my hand...and they just don't feel right.
He pulled out a New in box Glock 20,(not the 20C) 10mm w/2 15rnd.mags...
plus mag extentensions (adds about 3/4") that makes it a 17 rounder...fixed reg. sights...and it felt great!
Trijicon nights would be thrown on soon anyhow.
QUESTIONS FOR YOU GLOCK PEOPLE:
1) Is $550 out the door, tax and all a decent price? High? Inline?
2) Is the Glock any damn good? Never learned about 'em, cause they all felt like crap...until this one. Feel free to elaborate here..[:D]
3) Any problems with the model 20?
Please feel free to ADD and say whatever, and thanks in advance...have to go do some things and will check back in about an hour or so...thanks a bunch guys...[;)]
Comments
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?item=47072774
Unfortunately, I tend to agree that the perfect firearm does not need all those gizmos. Being able to just pick up a firearm (that actually is incredibly "safe") and simply pull the trigger makes too much sense. Maybe Glocks make too much sense....
Maybe I have had a tendency to enjoy playing with my firearms all too much over the years. With traditional firearms, I could "play" with them and have features such as manually operated safeties, exposed hammers, etc, etc. What is so uncomfortable about the Glocks I own is, I can't play with them. All I have to do is pick one up and pull the trigger (assuming it is loaded, and all your bedside firearms should probably be loaded, or they are worthless).
Glocks are fine firearms. They do take an attitude adjustment. You can take a loaded Glock and drop it from thousands of feet from a helicopter, or pick one up and throw it against a rock, or any number of variations on the theme, it will not discharge. But if you pick it up and pull the trigger, you better have intended to do that.
Talking about departure! If you want 10mm why not EAA Witness (for less then $400)...A top quality product and feel of 1911 -- all in one. Good luck.
FOR $550,I would make the deal IF they installed night sights. Look around, you can find good deals on Glocks. I paid $440 for a 19, then $12 bucks shipping and another $80 for triijon sights installed. Ask them, don't cost anything. dandy
+1 for Dandy. If the night sights are installed, go for it. I picked up a slightly used G20 here on GB about 2 months ago for $350 +S&H and absolutely love it. It's pretty darn accurate and I've never had a problem with it.[;)]
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=49595853
It seems that Glocks are either hated or loved, depending on the person.
Being able to just pick up a firearm (that actually is incredibly "safe")...
You can take a loaded Glock and drop it from thousands of feet from a helicopter, or pick one up and throw it against a rock, or any number of variations on the theme, it will not discharge. But if you pick it up and pull the trigger, you better have intended to do that.
I neither love nor hate this design, but have a realistic attitude towards them.
The only way a Glock is more safe than any other make is prevention of firing when dropped.
The most common example of this is the "you can drop it from thousands of feet from a helicopter without it going off" statement. This stems from an incident in Georgia 20 years or so ago where some dimwit actually dropped his gun from an aircraft. If I remember correctly, this was from 500-700 feet. It's true that it didn't discharge, but the part about it ending up in pieces is usually not pointed out.
This tale also fosters the impression that the Glock is the only design capable of not discharging due to heavy impact, but all modern DA handguns sold in the US can be dropped from such heights without going off.
Talking up the drop safety aspect of the Glock also ignores the fact that, due to flexing of the polymer frame, it's the most prone of all semiautos to have it's slide seperate from the frame when dropped on a hard surface. This has been the reason for Glock failure in testing by some LE agencies. There are also recorded incidents of suspects twisting the slide off a Glock handgun while attempting to wrestle it from an LEO's grip.
By focusing on it's drop safety features, Glock marketing draws attention from the borderline safety of it's light/short stroke trigger without the option of engaging a manual safety. It should be noted that Glock does in fact offer a slide mounted safety, but it isn't available on the US market.
But then the Colt in 99% cond is going to increase in value everyear too, and they ain't makin anymore.
I searched the net hi and low, before posting,,,and found only a couple of 20's, of course used....which I don't have anything against;but was maybe a touch cheaper than this new one.
I gotta go with boeboe...from the old school and love the feel of steel!....the plastic is a turn off. The Glock to me is nothing to "play" with either, boxie * slide, plastic, no hammer, no hefty safety or slide release to flip, just plane jane ugly [^]
IS IT HARD TO PUT TRIJICON NIGHT SITES ON??
I noticed their website mentioned a tool kit that included a screw for front sight for that model Glock...and a pushing tool fo the rear...but never could find the damn kit, or price anywher on their site[V] I'm somewhat handy with guns, but is a night sight installation better left to a smith?[?] (thanks again[:D])
Part of the deal I'm going to try and mak...is they have a new model 717 Marlin (SEMI), MachII....at $187...(+about 15 in tax $9 per $100)was going to try and get at the same time for $165-170 out the door.
Oh well, need to think now, thanks a bunch for the input guys, I respect ya'lls (most[:D] opinon...[;)]
should be less than 90 installed
IS IT HARD TO PUT TRIJICON NIGHT SITES ON??
I noticed their website mentioned a tool kit that included a screw for front sight for that model Glock...and a pushing tool fo the rear...but never could find the damn kit, or price anywher on their site[V] I'm somewhat handy with guns, but is a night sight
...thanks, t'was what I was thinking...and leaning towards...[:D]
...I like the Kimber Eclipse ($1,000) but I always can find plenty of people who * about Kimbers function and other "issues", more so than Glock's. Most I hear about Glocks is the fact of they "don't feel right", (always my *) not function....except for the occaisional Ka-Boom [:D]...but most of those are attributed to re-loads...[;)]
I am not a Glock man, meaning would only have a Glock, but I sure like these.
Thanks---Peabo
Anyhow , I dont like the 10mm , but do like the 40 cal.stuff??????
Its all a personal thing , and I do think that price is a bit high ...
Thanks !!!
d.a.stearns
Gunsmith / LEO
Niota , Tn
PJ
I believe that Glock possessing not one, or two, but three safeties which must disengage before the firearm will discharge is significant. This would include scenarios outside of simply "being dropped". For example, should you elect to crack walnuts by beating them with a Glock, or drive nails into walls, or strike a perpetrator over the head instead of shooting him, the gun will not discharge. It will discharge only if you pull the trigger. Some info on Glock Safeties.
http://glockmeister.com/safeties.shtml
http://www.glock.com/body_advantage.htm
quote:The most common example of this is the "you can drop it from thousands of feet from a helicopter without it going off" statement. This stems from an incident in Georgia 20 years or so ago where some dimwit actually dropped his gun from an aircraft. If I remember correctly, this was from 500-700 feet. It's true that it didn't discharge, but the part about it ending up in pieces is usually not pointed out.
Which of course, does nothing to substantiate that a handgun with an aluminum, or even steel frame would function after being dropped from such height. The modern polymer and composite materials are much, much more durable than aluminum. Glock advertises the polymer they use is stronger than steel. I might not go that far, but I suspect that if you took several handguns with aluminum or steel frames and dropped them from such a height, they would not be in functioning condition upon impact, either.
quote:This tale also fosters the impression that the Glock is the only design capable of not discharging due to heavy impact, but all modern DA handguns sold in the US can be dropped from such heights without going off.
Which, of course, is why a few States, several police departments, and handgun manufacturers continue to conduct these drop tests.
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/173943.pdf
http://www.streetpro.com/usp/torture.html
http://www.cz-usa.com/media_releases.php?m=4&msgid=37
http://remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/17/index.htm
http://www.ago.state.ma.us/sp.cfm?pageid=1170
quote:Talking up the drop safety aspect of the Glock also ignores the fact that, due to flexing of the polymer frame, it's the most prone of all semiautos to have it's slide separate from the frame when dropped on a hard surface. This has been the reason for Glock failure in testing by some LE agencies.
And possibly it's acceptance by so very many others. Of course, this flexing of the frame actually adds to the resilience of the Glock. The Glock frame, if subject to a certain amount of force, will spring back. An aluminum or steel frame, when subjected to a similar force, will deform and retain the deformed condition, potentially rendering the firearm unserviceable.
quote:There are also recorded incidents of suspects twisting the slide off a Glock handgun while attempting to wrestle it from an LEO's grip.
Really, can you provide evidence of these (more than one) occasions? How many "incidents" were there, two, three, or four? Maybe a dozen? A link that can substantiate that it happened just once would be interesting.
I wanna see Txs's 'evidence.'
Inquiring minds want to know.... or
Put up or shut up!
Go for it $550 W/nite sites is good. Yes a Glock 20 is lite and a 10mm is big and heavy but it does work. I take it that you are a large man and that is why the 20 with the mag grip feels more natural. Ammo is on the high end, but if you were that close to a Delta Elite (which you need to continue to look for and eventually get!) cost isnt much of a concern. When asked on an USO tour why he carried a Glock 20 10mm and 100 rounds Ted Nugent replied, "99 for the bad guys and the last one for Uncle Ted!'
On a semi related note Nugent claims that he shoots .40's out of his 20 with no problems.
If you like the size of of the 10mm Glock, I'd recommend you go with a Glock 21. You can buy a 100rds box of Winchester White 45acp at Wally World for $18.
I'm on my 2nd Glock 17 and 3rd Glock. Had a 17 and a 21 previously had to sell them as a result of being laid off for a long period of time. Picked up another 17 not too long ago. I consider Glocks to be the AK47 of handguns. You can bury em in mud and sand and they will continue to fire.
My only issue with them is that they require (at least for me) lots of practice. They are not the same as a nicely tuned light trigger pull 1911.
http://media.putfile.com/Glock-wdrum
...may end up looking around for a better price, but, still can't get the Colt Delta Elite out of my mind...and it is STEEL([:p]) a lot more $$$, but, the Delta, bought in the condition I would buy it in...will appreciate considerably...the Glock, if kept perfect...will be worth 10 years from now...jus a tad more than what I pay for it now....and the Delta in 10 years?...ohhh...I think a LOT more...decisions, decisions...[:D]
...you must have saw that Glock thread on the other forum, forget where,...that the guy ABUSED the crap out of his Glock! Like soaking it in saltwater, shooting the slide with a .22, dragging behind a truck, dropping from a single engine plane from 500' into a pasture, and on and on...BAD ABUSE...and worked after every thing he did to it...[:0]
BTT
I wanna see Txs's 'evidence.'
Inquiring minds want to know.... or
Put up or shut up!
Guess he can't back up his tales, 'specially the one about the slide being ripped off the frame!
DROBS, quote:You can bury em in mud and sand and they will continue to fire.
...you must have saw that Glock thread on the other forum, forget where,...that the guy ABUSED the crap out of his Glock! Like soaking it in saltwater, shooting the slide with a .22, dragging behind a truck, dropping from a single engine plane from 500' into a pasture, and on and on...BAD ABUSE...and worked after every thing he did to it...[:0]
That's the one. Ar15.com & here: http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=460a2dad37115be89afbe24bece56452&threadid=462537
He's literaly beat the crap out of that gun. Even dropped it out of an airplane! I hope I never come accross that 21 of his on the used market!!!
Originally posted by Rebel_James
Guess he can't back up his tales, 'specially the one about the slide being ripped off the frame!
You'll have to excuse me, but end of school year functions with my kids have kept me away from the computer for a few days.
After reading your first post I was confused as to exactly what you were asking, but I see this second post identified the sentence you took issue with.
As for "evidence", I have no sworn affidavits or video. These incidents were passed along by the SA who conducted my FBI Firearms Instructor Training, but I wasn't taking notes on the agencies involved. This man wasn't a stranger to me and definitely isn't prone to BS.
Believe whatever you wish.
I'll try to contact this guy and see if he'll try the slide rip-off test.
Lots of people hate Glocks, for whatever reason. Anytime they hear anything detrimental to Glocks, it becomes gospel.
I'm not saying you're lying, or your instructor. You 'heard' it from him, and he could have 'heard' it from someone else. I am saying I'd have to see the evidence before I believe it.
Lots of people hate Glocks, for whatever reason. Anytime they hear anything detrimental to Glocks, it becomes gospel.
quote:Originally posted by Txs
I neither love nor hate this design, but have a realistic attitude towards them.
Some guy, who apparently has way too much time on his hands, posting on a brand loyalty-fest board isn't exactly a middle of the road source. You'd probably have a tough time getting this fella to admit his pistol ever runs out of ammo. [:D]
Temper his posting with the fact that no major miltary in the world has chosen to adopt this pistol since it's inception.
As I said, I don't hate them. I'm just being realistic.
quote:Originally posted by Rebel_James
Lots of people hate Glocks, for whatever reason. Anytime they hear anything detrimental to Glocks, it becomes gospel.
quote:Originally posted by Txs
I neither love nor hate this design, but have a realistic attitude towards them.
Some guy, who apparently has way too much time on his hands, posting on a brand loyalty-fest board isn't exactly a middle of the road source. You'd probably have a tough time getting this fella to admit his pistol ever runs out of ammo. [:D]
Temper his posting with the fact that no major miltary in the world has chosen to adopt this pistol since it's inception.
As I said, I don't hate them. I'm just being realistic.