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buying guns online from an individual

Michael J.Michael J. Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
edited November 2001 in General Discussion
I have paid for a gun that I got the winning bid on. It is sitting at my dealers now and has been for a few days. He (my dealer) says by Alabama law he cannot transfer the gun to me without information from the seller such as a copy of their drivers license, simply because he is not an ffl holder. Now I'm trying to get in touch with the seller and having a **** of a time doing it. Is this some stupid Alabama only law ? Is my dealer scared silly of the ATF and just feeding me bull? What is required of a non-licensed seller? Somebody fill me in please.Thanks,Mike
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  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know Alabama law; but in South Carolina my understanding is that the law with pawnbrokers (whether dealing with firearms or not) is such that they are required to get appropriate identification from anyone they buy something from.Since your dealer is "legally" taking possession from the seller and you are "legally" taking possession from him, it would seem prudent for him to have some sort of reasonable record of where the firearm came from--even if not for "criminal law" purposes in your State, civil concerns would seem to make record keeping on such issues a prudent precaution.
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know about Alabama law, but before I got my FFL I ALWAYS sent along a photocopy of my driver's license and CCW marked "For FFL Dealer's File Only!". It just seems like a good way to cover one's buttocks. Unless it was his first online transaction, your seller should have known to provide some ID along with the firearm for the dealer's transfer file. On the flip side, it always pays to ask your tranfering dealer ahead of time what his preferances are when taking Internet transactions through his shop. Even if there's no law prohibiting an "IDless" transfer, the dealer may not want to try it. Just food for thought.
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  • oneshyoneshy Member Posts: 417 ✭
    edited November -1
    I think your dealer is afraid of the ATF. I live in La. and had the same problem. My dealer made a receipt from the info. on the return address on the box, got my background check and turned it over to me. If you'd like, I'll ask him exactly what it takes and get back to you tomorrow.
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  • Michael J.Michael J. Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd sure appreciate it oneshy.Thanks...
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  • oneshyoneshy Member Posts: 417 ✭
    edited November -1
    Michael, My dealer says that in the case of a long gun, he can log in the info. from the address you used to purchase the gun, but would prefer an FFl transfer. I have been doing business with him a long time and he knows me well. He states that he is taking a chance in case of an audit in this case, but ATF is not nearly as stringent on rifles as pistols. In the case of a handgun he would require an FFl or copy of Dr. Lic. In my case it involved a rifle and he felt comfortable doing it the way he did.[This message has been edited by oneshy (edited 11-06-2001).]
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  • Trader DaveTrader Dave Member Posts: 791 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I live in Alabama (also have FFL) and am not aware of any law requiring DL copy to inventory gun. He can list name and address of the person who sent you the gun. I am sure he has a return address too from the box. He is only acting as a go between and he needs only to note that it was a private sale and you were the intended buyer.I think he is a bit over on the side of caution, which is not bad. I do the same for ID purposes and if the weapon might some how show up as stolen.
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  • Michael J.Michael J. Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks Guys !The input is greatly appreciated.Seems like he's just being extra (maybe too much) safe which I guess is a good thing. He has the sellers address, name and phone #. Just gimme the gun already ! Mike
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  • Michael J.Michael J. Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Dave I just looked at your profile and were next door nieghbors !!! Well sorta....I'm in autauga county. You own a gunshop somewheres near by?Mike
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  • Trader DaveTrader Dave Member Posts: 791 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I live in Shelby Co. but base our business out of Montgomery. If you were at the local Montgomery Gun Show this past weekend you would have seen me...not hard to spot at 6'4" 225lbs.
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  • Michael J.Michael J. Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was there Dave, saturday morning, but I'm 6'7" and 280#'s so everbody there was just little people. Where were you set up ? About the second table from the front on the right side as you walk in ?I think I may have you pegged !Mike
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  • Trader DaveTrader Dave Member Posts: 791 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You hit the nail on the Head Mike - LOL.
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    So, Dave and Mike J., what pro football team do you guys play for?Lowrider, feeling like a midget at 6 feet and 235 lbs.
    Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • Trader DaveTrader Dave Member Posts: 791 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    LOL - Lowrider - Football was my first love, however; I found females to be much more fun. All I can do now is pull for BAMA and wish I had my youth back. Used to play Defensive End but today could only be a small linebacker.
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