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Homeland security or the beginning of a police
alledan
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush called on Congress to set up a Cabinet-level homeland defense agency Thursday to protect the nation amid "a titanic struggle against terror."
In a televised address from the White House, Bush told the nation that a sweeping reorganization of the federal government is needed to improve domestic security.
The centerpiece of his proposal is a Department of Homeland Security, which would consolidate duties now spread across nine federal departments and include a central clearinghouse for analyzing intelligence information. With an estimated 169,000 employees, the new agency would be second only to the Defense Department in terms of size.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush called on Congress to set up a Cabinet-level homeland defense agency Thursday to protect the nation amid "a titanic struggle against terror."
In a televised address from the White House, Bush told the nation that a sweeping reorganization of the federal government is needed to improve domestic security.
The centerpiece of his proposal is a Department of Homeland Security, which would consolidate duties now spread across nine federal departments and include a central clearinghouse for analyzing intelligence information. With an estimated 169,000 employees, the new agency would be second only to the Defense Department in terms of size.
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I feel Bush should have said something about citizen participation other than keeping eyes and ears open.
This is were Citizen Militias are necessary. Just knowing they exsist should be a Deterrent to Terrorist.
Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
Edited by - RugerNiner on 06/07/2002 06:00:39
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1."Re-Organization of the Government?"
2. "Homeland Defense" - Protecting the Motherland?
3. "High-Level Cabinet" - Gestapo?
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Edited by - kimberkid on 06/07/2002 09:15:19
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
The last thing we need is yet another cabinet position, and another agency.
When one considers the fact that we already have a ton of agencies that should be dealing with these situations, its quite hard to beleive that another government agency is going to do anything to solve these problems.
The only thing it will accomplish is a little bit more surrendering of our liberties.
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-James Madison
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Read any book on Hitler's propoganda and this homeland
security smacks of Nazi SS. Unity and common goals to
protect the motherland. Brain wash your kids in school.
This program in the high schools for community service
reminds me of the brown shirts too. Smoke and mirrors.
I get irate listening to the dribble coming out of peoples
mouths while we are fast loosing our liberties in this
country.
I looked up Militia's for my state, and it's address was
no longer viable. Texas, and Tenn. looks like they have
their acts together. WAKE UP!!!!!
Things like this are done incrementally. This thing is going to get more and more pervasive until I rights are so infringed we won't recognize them anymore. I predict a large increase in the ranks of the various militias around the country.
Gonna' be interesting to see which Republican might run against Bush in '04. If Dubya keeps up with this kinda' crap, someone might. And they might beat him.
Mudge the suspicious
ps. We keep posting stuff like this and the "Homeland Defense" goons just might pay some of us a visit now that they can bug our computers.
I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
So, I guess national security is of paramount importance, second only to bullsh!t politics. How does any rational human being think we can ever secure this country if we're unable or unwilling to defend our borders? This is insanity!
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The expansion of state laws for CCW permits does give me hope that things are turning around in certain limited areas, but we are far from assured that our rights will be extended rather than further abridged. Let's make sure we let everyone know we are a force for good in terms of homeland security and that a sensible plan will ease the unconstitutional and paranoid restrictions on the good people who choose to exercise their Second Amendment rights. Since laws are harder to repeal than they are to pass, I will continue to stock up on pre-ban mags and such, since I don't expect them to be re-legalized any time soon -- though they should be. And it's not too soon to begin dropping hints to your congressmen and women that the 2004 sunset of the anti-Second Amendment ban on assault imports will remove one blockade to homeland security.
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Edited by - offeror on 06/08/2002 14:34:06
Those of us law-abiding citizens who actively work to assure the continuance of our Second Amendment rights have been heartened by Mr. Ashcroft's pronouncement that the Second Amendment describes an individual right, and by such actions as the various states' adoption of more concealed carry laws for citizens. However, we do have one concern about the potential for abuse of the new Office of Homeland Security.
It is all well and good to contemplate law-abiding citizens as friends and allies in the internal war on terrorism, and so long as we have a conservative Cabinet member who is in favor of gun ownership for citizens, CCWs, fewer restrictions on imports, the sunset of the ban in 2004, and in the "unorganized citizen militia," we will be a safer country.
But please do not forget to build in safeguards against the Cabinet office being occupied by a gun-banning liberal of the "other party." The same tools which may be designed for the good of internal security could be turned against Americans if interpreted as a license to ban, restrict and confiscate. Please be sure that the charter for the Office of Homeland Security codifies the principle of unimpeded citizen gun rights, and that it incorporates the value of the individual citizen, well armed, as the friend and ally of the war on terrorism rather than its enemy.
Some of us see the potential for unlimited internal chaos if the Office of Homeland Security were warped into an instrument of oppression by a gun banner like Schumer, Feinstein or Brady. There is already a certain degree of fear of this slippery slope toward a "police state," even though it is staunch conservatives like Mr. Ashcroft and Mr. Bush proposing it.
If this office were to have the unbridled ability to reverse its course and be used to oppress the citizenry, I would not like to be in the streets under such a condition. You MUST see that the charter for the new Cabinet office is written to clearly make the law-abiding citizen and the Second Amendment the allies of this office and NOT its objects of control. It is hard to overstate the importance of this basic concept.
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Edited by - offeror on 06/08/2002 15:31:47
I agree. Don't look at me as a threat just because I own a gun or two.
Look at me as an asset. The average American with any sense (we sure are short on those or is that just the media making it appear that way?) knows any time you give the government something at the front door they'll soon be crawling in the windows and knocking down the back door to get what you have. Homeland security is a is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Reagan brought us asett forfeiture laws.
Nixon gave us OSHA
George the Elder gave us the civil rights act.
The republicans are usually the ones who give us opressive laws in the name of "law and order".
"The powers delegated by the proposed constitution to the federal governmentare few and defined, and will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace negotiation, and foreign commerce"
-James Madison
Poor choice of destiny make thoose that for upholding the law go against the "LAW".
Point taken, but I still think we're better off having these post-9/11 changes taking place under a Republican administration than we would be if the Democrats were in there deciding how best to "make safe the homeland." I think we'd be seeing a rationalization that guns need to become largely unavailable domestically in order to assure they can't fall into "the wrong hands" here, meaning God-knows how many more curtailed rights for all Americans who have supposedly been "deputized" in spirit by the events of 9/11. At least Ashcroft and Justice have notified the Supreme Court that they stand behind the individual rights interpretation of the Second. I don't think you'll ever find a Democrat administration as friendly to gun owners as a Republican one. Certainly HCI has been temporarily derailed since Clinton left office.
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"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
I think this whole "Office of National Security" thing stinks to high heaven! I may be wrong, but I smell a rat!
Just like when Ashcroft and George Jr., out of the blue, started espousing their supposed belief that the second ammendment guaranteed individual rights.
Where did that come from?
There was no case before The Supreme Court that had anything to do with the second ammendment, so why choose this particular time to throw down the gauntlet? Why choose that point in time to thumb your nose at the same court that put you in office only months earlier?
Being the naive dimwit that I am, I believe that the Bush administration was actually purchasing some FUTURE political capital.
Only time will tell if I'm correct, but watch for our "Conservative Administration" to "reconsider" or "soften" that position in exchange for Democratic support on some other issue.
Like homeland security maybe?
"Homeland Security" is a defender shotgun in every home and a .45 on every hip!
Something in a .308 would be nice too.
Political capital purchased at the cost of lying to the American people about something as fundamental as a stand on the core of the Bill of Rights is a cause worthy of a Tienamen Square. They'd better make sure you're wrong about that. The only thing more dangerous than a young gung ho American in the service is an old principled American in his home. We won't be lied to, and we've lived long enough to know what's really worth defending at any cost.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
You're right, I forgot the .30 caliber!
Perhaps something in a belt-fed model?
Bolted to the roof?
Yea, that works for me!
bother to kick in our doors. He believes they'll use
a biological weapon, so they can still use our land
and water, when they decide they can't disarm us.
The agenda for the new world order is way behind
schedule as it is. We voted out the national I.D.
so now they're using a national drivers
license. In our city we voted against camera's at
traffic intersections. They installed them anyway.
Every nation that has voluntarily given up it's
guns are now defenseless victims. They are about
to do the same thing to the christians of Macedonia.
We need strong
Militia's. We need state government to stand up ;to
the feds. We need to down size the federal government big
time. They are to be serving us. I feel like I am in servitude.
To hell with Peace at any cost. I hate it when I see these
signs God Bless America. America needs to Bless God.
Sift thru it friends, I'm a ranting now.
Start my gun safety class Mon. It's a start hey?
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