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Is it just me, or does every thread you participate in turn into an argument? Why the hell IS that? And who the hell cares what you did in 11th grade?
Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
Animals have no rights. I guess a bear has the right to walk down the middle of the road if I don't have the means to stop him.Humans have only the rights that they claim, grab and fight to preserve. The primary difference is that humans can can work in groups to define and deny "rights".
Lowrider,Clouder called Bullzeye's response into question, there's nothing wrong with him justifying his answer. The one thing he failed to do was give the page and paragraphs... which I'm sure he can provide, right Bullzeye?Munkey
Bullzeye may or may not have accurate books on the subjects previously mentioned in this post. However, the fact that he was in the 11th grade does not exclusively make him wrong on the subject. I did a SIXTH grade science project on prisms, colors and wavelengths. I was doing my research in college-level references. When I got to college, I realized that all of my research was indeed correct and that I learned about wavelengths and the refraction of white light long before I was expected to. The fact that it was a SIXTH grade science project does not make my research or my findings incorrect. They turned out to be true. Just because Bullzeye is a high school senior does NOT mean that his conclusions are incorrect. They may very well be incorrect but that is not by virtue of his age. It would merely be by virtue of the materials that he is using for his research. It's a learning process for him as it was a learning process for all of us. It was only eight years ago for me so maybe I'm a little less jaded than the rest of us. Nobody owns this thread and Bullzeye and I will post on this damn thread if we damn please. Give him a little credit for attempting to make some intelligent deductions from his studies. Correct him when he is wrong but don't insult him. Insults directed towards BULLZEYE for his youth are EXACTLY why the threads in which he participates turn into arguments. I respect him for having more cojones than the average teenager.Go for it Bullz.Bullzeye--I don't post threads to be patted on the back for my "correctness" so you can feel free to criticize or corroborate any post that I make. I generally start threads for the sake of humor or to be enlightened in areas where I am a far cry from being an expert. Blast away.
SSG idsman75, U.S. ARMY[This message has been edited by idsman75 (edited 02-18-2002).]
Dear Mr. S. Pig,At the risk of getting off subject here, your punctuation coaching is not, IMHO, TOTALLY correct. I think your example is semi-wrong. There should be a comma after HIM and since "That's enough." is a sentence in itself, the word THAT'S should be capitalized (as above).I don't believe "punctuation inside the quotes" is a hard and fast rule either. There are exceptions to that rule, as there usually are for all rules.Correct me if I'm wrong. It would be unusual for me to be wrong, but you can try. Mudge the grammatoriousps. Animals DO NOT have rights. It is we who have responsibilities.
I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS![This message has been edited by mudge (edited 02-18-2002).]
Appreciate the bibliography, bullzeye. I have not studied in any detail the Inuit and Aleut aboriginal, my interest being the plains and mountain states tribes. The Inuit and Aleut were (and the few left who still practice native religion, are), as you know, animists. Their religion was in the spirits of animals and in the moon. They did not recognize a celestial world. This explains the reverence for the dead animal and the offering of food. If there is a reference to a `Sky World', I can't find it. And I looked.By the way, I went to uhls.org and searched your library for all books that dealt with Eskimo. Nice library and a nice collection of Eskimo references. I found 70 books but they must have sent your references back because they weren't listed. Damn, I wanted to check them out.See what I mean by maintenance? Tough to keep it up.Clouder..Idsman:Does he really have you as snookered as it appears? I hope not.C.
Lowrider, now don't get all hot and bothered about this, but I see a contradiction glaring at me when you say that mankind has the least right to be here than other animals. If that's truly the case, then do you celebrete war, murder and death as a "cleansing" of the earth? And if you REALLY believe that, why haven't you taken the first step towards that belief by affirming it and eliminating yourself? Don't get me wrong, I like you, and wouldn't want you to do that, but I think if one stands up for a principle, one has to LIVE the principle, rather than just speak it, or it is valueless. I live my values and principles.And, NO!!! I'M NOT starting a fight!! Just asking a question.
As an English major back when excellence actually meant something, and as a writer all these years, I can tell you I was nearly taken in by one of my employers (a DOD contractor, no less) who had me doing technical writing that had the quotes coming before commas and periods -- the first time I had ever heard of such a thing. Since I have been back in the rather competitive world of writing for journalism and marketing, I have been set back on my original and I think correct course. If the last word or phrase in a sentence or clause is in quotes, the closing quote should go after the comma or period, "thusly." Doing it the other way would have my most scholarly high school English teacher, one Miss Riordan, spinning in her grave. I would say that the rule is fairly hard and fast, except when one is a junior employee in a large group of managers all of whom are wrongly of one mind that it must be done the other way.
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Ya know, we ARE animals, at least by my definition of animal, we just talk, and animals dont. Yes I know they communicate, but they dont talk like we do. So, I think we only have rights among our species, that we give each other, just as a wolf pack seems to have its little way of doing things. When you get right down to it, we are all animals, and we dont behave any diff. than the animals we hunt. We have no rights among the animals we hunt either, so its not that unusual that we feel the animals we hunt have no rights, is it? That being said, animals have no rights, humans have no rights, just the ones we say we have.I bet we could all agree if we defined rights, and then took it from there. This has turned into a discussion on just what rights are, along with what deserves a right. Its two different discussions. Anyone here confused as to how to tell whats 'left' of their 'right'?
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC[This message has been edited by robsguns (edited 02-18-2002).]
The notion that animals have no legal rights sounds kind of funny in light of the fact that there is a new television series on Animal Planet, very much like COPS, which regularly shows people being hauled off to jail by uniformed officers backed by local police for various offenses encompassing inhumane treatment and cruelty to animals, from dogs to horses. They all look as shocked that they're actually going to jail over an animal as some of these posters probably would who think animals have no rights in a legal sense.
"The 2nd Amendment is about defense, not hunting. Long live the gun shows, and reasonable access to FFLs. Join the NRA -- I'm a Life Member."
Robs, sorry , man has "natural rights" which are necessary for the survival of the species. Since mankind is the only known animal capable of abstract thought, capable of making a weapon, capable of building the things that he needs to survive, mankind is at the top of the chain. People in countries where rights are not implicitly recognized by their governments still have them, by their very nature as humans...Gaaa!!! I oughtta cut this out, too much typing for my two fingers!!!One thing, though, brought up by the example of people being arrested for animal abuse, laws do NOT dictate rights. Rights dictate law. Where this does not occur, it is time to make changes. Any argument with this, bring it up to Locke or our Founders who said it all better than I ever will be able to.
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Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
SSG idsman75, U.S. ARMY[This message has been edited by idsman75 (edited 02-18-2002).]
I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS![This message has been edited by mudge (edited 02-18-2002).]
"The 2nd Amendment is about defense, not hunting. Long live the gun shows, and reasonable access to FFLs. Join the NRA -- I'm a Life Member."
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC[This message has been edited by robsguns (edited 02-18-2002).]
"The 2nd Amendment is about defense, not hunting. Long live the gun shows, and reasonable access to FFLs. Join the NRA -- I'm a Life Member."