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MY CHILDREN WILL NOT SEND DOLLARS

Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
edited October 2001 in General Discussion
I have explained to my desendants what sending dollars to afgan children will result in when neither are children anymore.Talk about funding and encouraging repetition.
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  • turboturbo Member Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A more appropriate thing to send , is the drawings our young kids are doing in schools the result of their thoughts concerning the recent events, to the children of Afgahnistan.A picture is worth more than a dollar.
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  • Homer J SimpsonHomer J Simpson Member Posts: 89 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey Pat, it's hearts and minds wrapped up in a warm fuzzy package. That's politics.But it is also humane and savvy.What is so wrong with feeding starving people? I missed that memo.Or is it some top secret hard-assed move to save the old, weak, and children from starvation and painfull death?Can you figure out the reasons for this plan? If not, the Nazi party has openings for oven shovelers.
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  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Homer I was around when the nazi party was in full swing and no one was looney enough to suggest we send hitlers brown boys anything to give aid and comfort.If this is to be considered a war on terroists it should at least resemble a war. the hijackers were children mis-taught at one time. the probablythought is that you can attract more flys with honey ,but at this time I don'tthink we need anymore flys. When my small childrensee the pictures of the towers comming downand then ask papa why are we sending those folks money,I don't lie to my presious grandchildren for if the world goes on they are the ones that will reap the rewards and think back to the time when they got proper guidance from someone that loved them andnot regret it. I will match my desendants kindness with anyones but I don't lie to them.
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Hey Homer. I think you need to double-up on your Thorazine dosage. Are you starting to hear those voices again?
    She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • metzmetz Member Posts: 121 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Odle still sucks and so does censorship.Andy
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  • Mom MomMom Mom Member Posts: 169 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My understanding was that the thought behind "humanitarian aid" was to try to sway the common people of Afghanistan(most of whom are not fundamentalists and oppose the hard line rule)to join the US troops and the Northern Alliance in ousting the Taliban. While it is a good strategic thought, the problem is that there is no way to insure that the food and money makes it to it's intended targets. The problem with wars is that those with guns tend to take from those without; so the probability that our well intended aid is feeding the Taliban troops is most likely fairly high.If we want our children to send money, cards and pictures someplace, may I be so bold as to suggest that the families of NYC firefighters would be a good choice, along with our service people. There is a program which collects letters/cards for our service people overseas and distributes them randomly, any body have the address?Since Afghanistan rule currently considers us the evil empire, I'm not sure if US currency is even accepted. BTW, Odle, who'sbrain child was this? There are actually people encouraging our children to send money to Afghanistan?
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  • anderskandersk Member Posts: 3,627 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Seems to me like the idea was OK, but it would have made a lot more sense to ask kids to take the money to school ... collect it and send it all in together for the schoole (or school district). The cost of dealing with each dollar must be a big waste.
    Ken
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  • stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
    Odle is right on the money with this one!!G.W. should be more worried about pounding the enemy into complete submission and less worried about the P.R. aspects of this war.And by the way, while we're giving all these millions to the victims and families of the 911 attacks, how about sending some to the families of our warriors who are now without their mothers or fathers. In many cases the primary breadwinners are away fighting for their flag, but that doesn't seem to matter to this government. We just go with whatever is politically popular at the moment. I want my children to learn where their loyalties belong, too bad my President hasn't figured it out yet!!And purple hearts for the terrorist's victims in New York and The Pentagon?? Give me a break! These people never believed for a moment that their lives were in danger, if they had, they would have stayed home from work! Am I supposed to feel better by giving a war medal to some guy who was sitting behind a desk trying to recruit some kid from Seattle for the Army football program?
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  • stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
    Believe it or not,,,,,I have to disagree!Our spineless government got all caught up in the PR aspect of the Vietnam war. So caught up, in fact, THAT THEY HAMSTRUNG OUR FIGHTING MEN AND LOST THE FRIKKIN WAR!!In that particular case, American lives lost = American lives WASTEDI knew some damn good people who never came home from that one.PR means compromise and compromise means you don't have the conviction to do what you have to do and damn the consequences!Sometimes, Dano, you just need to do what's right because it's right, not because the rest of the world says it's right!
    My wife?.........Sure!My dog?..........Maybe!MY GUNS??........NEVER!!!
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  • Andrew AdamsAndrew Adams Member Posts: 227 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Stanman,If you really believe what you are saying then put your money where your mouth is and commit to stop driving or else pay over $5 a gallon when the Arabs turn off the spigot. If we don't do this PR garbage, our friends in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will put the screws to us. This PR is totally different from the Vietnam Era PR.
    When you want to dial long distance...AT&T, .223, or Jeremiah 33.3?
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  • stanmanstanman Member Posts: 3,052
    edited November -1
    Andrew, Andrew, Andrew,Why the angry attacks? I didn't refer to you, or did I???No, I won't quit driving!No, I won't pay $5 a gallon for gas, in fact, I commute over 100 miles round trip each day. I figure it's my patriotic duty to help support our so called FRIENDS in the middle east.By the way, just who are these friends you're talking about, I dont think I know them? Are they the ones that "let" us use their air bases and airspace because they need us like a wood tick needs a host?And what's the difference between this PR and that PR? BS is BS and you can't much tell the difference, one pile to the next!
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  • twinstwins Member Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just take over and keep the damn oil. Maybe we could just use our own, now thats a thought.
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  • mindaminda Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can't believe how bad these liberal ideas suck. Do you really think we will be helping the situation out by doing or not doing this. What is the big picture a picture of anyway? life is still life if it is in Afganistan or USA. It is what you make of it. If I were to fly my paper airplane into the Taliban HG and crash it to the ground would you support The Taliban's children giving my peas and pennies to my innocent countymen as they attacked me. One thing to always remember is penguins nurping in the wind require no assistance.
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  • .280 freak.280 freak Member Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've never seen penquins nurping in the wind. Burping and breaking wind, yeah, but .......
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  • mindaminda Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Figured there would not be many here intelligent enough to see what in the rock I was saying. One of the best ways to defy nonsense is to meet it head on and not even attemp to match it but to embrace it and quietly fill your pants and leave the room.
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  • Andrew AdamsAndrew Adams Member Posts: 227 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Stanman,I was being quite facetious with the "friend" remark. I am just pointing out that in this particular case, it is to our benefit to not unnecessarily peeve the Arabs who control most of the World's readily accessible oil. I would point out that if the Saudi's stuck it to us on oil, gas prices would shoot up to over $5 a gallon. The fact of the matter is that it would take time time to spin up domestic and European sources, and in the interim we would be getting pounded on fuel prices.I'm not saying that I love all of the PR we are doing in this war either, but I see it as better than the alternative of having our economy trashed even worse by some Islamic SOB who decides that his part of the Jihad should be to stop filling the supertankers.I didn't mean to attack you as forcefully as I did, I am just trying to point out the benefit of doing what our Gov't is doing.
    When you want to dial long distance...AT&T, .223, or Jeremiah 33.3?
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Is Arkresearch now posting under a different user name?
    She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
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  • mindaminda Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nope, I gots me my own. Gots to get a couple more of you guys to turn on yer dam brains and atart thinking this whole thing through. Do any of you really have an opinion on this. I know this good old boy does. can you guess his name. one hot dude [This message has been edited by minda (edited 10-15-2001).]
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  • .280 freak.280 freak Member Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wouldn't be *, would it?
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  • mindaminda Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    hehe nonsense abounds
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  • twinstwins Member Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Andrew, Is $5 per gallon arbitrary or is it a supplied figure by some organization? I am just asking because this number has been thrown around quite a bit, but I have never seen it validated. Not slamming just asking. I also whould like to know how limited our oil reserves and supplies are. Oil is only one source and even though costs would be astronomical at first, other sources are indeed, viable. Not to mention that we are capable of taking these things from nations who are conquered in this "world driven" fight against terrorism. To the victor go the spoils seems appropriate. [This message has been edited by twins (edited 10-16-2001).]
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  • Andrew AdamsAndrew Adams Member Posts: 227 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Twins,It is arbitrary, I pulled it out because it is a round figure, but I have seen that number bantered about as well.In order to calculate what the price would actually be, we need to do some macroeconomics, lets have at it.The last figure I saw was that Arabia supplies 60% of our oil.Oil demand has continued to decline slightly, but has remained fairly stable in this decline over time. Of course, where supply intersects demand is the price.I haven't actually graphed this out, but a 60% reduction in supply impacts price not in a linear fashion, but in an exponential fashion. Therefore, the price would well over double, and would probably actually come out at over five dollars a gallon.The X factor in all of this is the amount of reserve. However, if you will remember our recent history you will recall that Mr. Klinton both engaged our military in more actions than any other President in history and also released a significant portion of the strategic reserve to help Mr. Gore politically. Given that all military actions consume an enormous amount of petroleum, I think it is a reasonable assumption that our reserves are not great; especially if you assume ongoing military action in Afghanistan or elsewhere.
    When you want to dial long distance...AT&T, .223, or Jeremiah 33.3?
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    It`s this minda loves * thing that`s botherin` me!!!.218
    Will the last reb to leave flarda,please bring the flag?
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  • twinstwins Member Posts: 647 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks Andrew.
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  • mindaminda Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I like the way he stinks. It makes me go weak in the knees
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  • steve187steve187 Member Posts: 6 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    We all know that Alberta has no oil at all, no natural gas. What are these oil sands you keep speaking of???
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  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Has history not taught us anything. Japan after punishment for Pearl Harbor primarily for had it not been for the attack on Pearlthe bomb would not have fallen on Hiroshima or Nagasaki, but when it fell it saved many American and Japanese lives, and was so horible that it brought about an abrupt end to the war and caused Japan to resolve to never be a military nation again. The unprovked attack on 9-11-01 was greater asfar as lives lost and many of thos so visously slaughtered were innocent civilians.A person has to be a little off to think for one instance that the ones that we bomb by night and feed by day are not just as deserving of the same treatment or moreso. Swift And Massive Force Requires No Interpretation Or In This Case Apology.War is hell and best avoided. The next worst thing is playwar and losing.
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  • metzmetz Member Posts: 121 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would lightly disagree with the part about Pearl being the decisive factor in the Enola Gay's flight. I believe that the Japs were also a VERY formidable enemy and that the (as you alluded to)loss of life, in a conventional invasion, would of been extreme to both victor and conquered. I believe the President felt this too, so to sleep at night he accepted it as a truth (which I think it was). Pearl was most certainly a catalyst, but I think Guadalacanal etc. is what taught us what the main island would be like and that the loss to our troops could be averted by a "Little Boy".Not arguementative or disagreable just expounding, I guess. Was a complicated time and situation. I find we are of like thoughts, scary ain't it?Andy
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