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Closing the Cockpit Loophole

Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
edited September 2001 in General Discussion
Closing the Cockpit Loopholeby Captain Duane Shawduaneshaw@compuserve.comSeptember 19, 2001Could four handguns have saved thousands of lives?The short answer is yes. Airplanes are controlled by pilots. Without pilots, airplanes are 150 ton 500mph guided petroleum missiles. We have just seen the potential of aircrafts used as assault weapons. Let me introduce myself. I am an airline Captain for the worlds second largest airline. I have been flying airplanes professionally for twenty one years. I have dealt with engine failures, aircraft system failures, aircraft navigation equipment failures, Air Traffic Control failures and airline management failures. Through it all, nothing has scared me more in aviation than the people I carry in the back of the plane. Why? Because I have had to deal with drug crazed and drunk passengers, air ragers, and people who are just scared. I have learned that all these people are unpredictable and dangerous. (just the opposite of law abiding gun owners). And now we have a new type of passenger. A diabolical warrior filled with more hate than ten Tim McVeighs.What about Air Marshals? Not the best idea. An Air Marshal in the back of the aircraft can be identified, distracted and overwhelmed, even if armed. The pilots however have a cockpit door to get through. And a kevlar cockpit door would be a formidable obstacle for anyone to breech. Also, there are over eight thousand flight segments per day in the U.S. The cost of putting an Air Marshall on each flight would be prohibitive. Especially when you have two highly qualified professionals in the nerve center (cockpit) of the airplane who can do the job.Is it dangerous for pilots to carry guns? No. Pilots are some of the most mentally, physically and psychologically tested people on earth. Additionally we are drug and alcohol tested all the time. We are highly educated, have a unique understanding of how mechanical things work, and have eye/hand coordination second to none. We are also required to undergo rigorous recurrent training and checkrides every nine months. (A great place for firearms requal.) There is no safer group of individuals to issue defensive firearms to. What about shooting in a pressurized cabin? Will the airplane blow up? No. Do not be fooled by movies showing an explosive decompression in the cabin after a gun is fired. The pressurized fuselage of an aircraft already has many holes in it for regulating pressurization and air flow. The aluminum alloy skin of the aircraft is a quarter inch thick and capable of taking direct hits from most handguns without fracture. Even the cabin windows are incredibly thick and strong and capable of taking hits without failure, especially if using a frangible bullet. Even if they did penetrate the fuselage, several additional small holes would not make any difference in the ability to maintain pressure. But let's not lose the forest for the trees here. Just remember the scenario that would require gunfire in an aircraft. It would be the last line of defense before turning the aircraft over to a terrorist for him to complete his mission - to kill hundreds or thousands of you. Fights between pilots in the cockpit? Does not happen. In twenty one years of professional flying with five different airlines, I have never been involved in an altercation with another pilot. I have never even heard of this happening. How many police get into arguments, draw their weapons and kill each other while on duty?Still do not want guns on airplanes eh? In any given week of flying I will carry one to five armed individuals on my aircraft. They are IRS agents, Postal Inspectors, DEA agents, FBI agents, Secret Service agents, state and local law enforcement, and virtually anyone else authorized by the government to carry a weapon. There is no restriction on the size or type of gun they carry.All I am asking is to not be defenseless. Give me a fighting chance to save my passengers, crew, aircraft and people on the ground from a psycho or terrorist. Lets close this cockpit loophole.I am hearing over and over on TV and the radio from elected officials how we are going to have to give up freedom and liberties for additional security provided by our government. This is not acceptable. I have a right to defend my family from harm at home. Why can't I have the same right in my aircraft at work? If we adopt a bunker mentality and start voluntarily giving up freedom, then we have already lost. Let me defend my aircraft and cockpit with the best tools available. So, would four handguns have saved thousands of people from knife wielding terrorists? Please respond to this letter, and if you agree, please start making demands on your elected officials.

Comments

  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I sent Capt. Shaw an e-mail asking him to join our discussion. I also asked him about how he would handle a situation in which the Captain refused to have a firearm in the cockpit. If he replies to me I'll post it. I told him how to access this site. Hopefully he'll join our little band of rogues.Mudge
    Anyone who CAN carry, SHOULD carry!Let me update that.Anyone who CAN carry, BETTER carry.[This message has been edited by mudge (edited 09-20-2001).]
  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As I stated in another thread, I think any Pilot/ co-pilot that wants to carry should be allowed, but should beable to pass a profincy/qualification test just as a LEO would. I'd also like to see more teachers armed, why should the only one in school with a gun be the "Angry Child" bent on revenge?
    GUN CONTROL: If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
    If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
    ? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
  • mudgemudge Member Posts: 4,225 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mrs. Mudge (yeah, the Glock carrying, Harley driver) is a teacher. When she taught Jr. High, she arranged her room so that her back was to a corner and she could see both doors which she kept locked during classes. Yeah, the wacko kid with a stolen gun can walk right in and blaze away, but teachers can't defend themselves or the other students.Mudge
    Anyone who CAN carry, SHOULD carry!Let me update that.Anyone who CAN carry, BETTER carry.
  • landislandis Member Posts: 230 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As I mentioned before, no other single action could have changed the results of the hijackings last week more than if the pilots were armed.
  • .250Savage.250Savage Member Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I e-mailed Capt. Shaw and told him I would be glad to write his bosses if he wanted me to, which, of course, is how we would see this sensible idea implemented. I would encourage others to do the same. Otherwise, they will get all weak-kneed and "politically correct" and whine "letting people fight back is never the answer!" or some such trash.
    I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.--Voltare
  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    Rather than arm the pilots, airlines should arm the passengers. Pass out deringers to any who want them (loaded with appropriate frangible ammo) just like headsets. Of course, 1st class passengers could have 1911's instead.If the nervous nellies are concerned, each airline could have a handgun proficiency requirement for authorized passengers. At the same time, the airline would have to stop selling booze.This suggestion is only partially in jest. I don't see it happening but I also don't see me ever flying unarmed again.
    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
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