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Same Sex Couples ...should they adopt?

Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
edited June 2002 in General Discussion
I had just got done typing my comment and question on the "Gay...no way" thread and POOF!! I realize it got kinda personal for some but I will repeat my question to Black roses and the board in general.As an adoptee who has experianced identity problems first hand,I can't help but think that same sex couples who adopt will cause problems.I realize that a loving home is needed by thousands of children.I also realize that those couples feel the need to "have children" any way they can. Have studies on this matter been done,or is it too early to tell? Many adoptees like myself never have an identity problem,but some do.Are we being too quick to judge this? I wonder how the "Mom-Mom" or "Dad-Dad" households explain their "difference" to young minds.

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  • RancheroPaulRancheroPaul Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Same Sex Couples ...should they adopt?[b/] What an interesting question!
    It is my opinion that they should not adopt, at least until they are sure they are not going to conceive.......! Just an opinion...could be wrong.....


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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Abusive parents.... should they have kids?

    Maturity is only randomly picked up by people out of high school. The number of lousy home lives (we see them on COPS all the time) with routine door slamming, screaming, verbal abuse, threats, beatings, knives, drunks, drugs, jails, restraining orders, divorces, child molesting -- and these are the hetero couples.

    Out of all the things immature adults not ready to parent put their kids through, these are by far the worst. I wouldn't even put same sex parents in the top ten ways to screw up a kid. If there was anything that should require training and licensing more than driving, it is not guns, it is parenting.

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    Edited by - offeror on 06/11/2002 23:14:09
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  • will270winwill270win Member Posts: 4,845
    edited November -1
    Offeror, don't say that to loud man! If they hear you in California, parenting will be banned for sure.


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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Bushy.. What was the question?.. I didnt see your post on the "Gay" Issue..Cant help but wonder if it was poofed because of my response.. *L*.. the so angry I could spit comment... *EG

    Boy the panel has been raising some pretty good issues lately.. hmmmm..
    Studies have shown that kids dont care what their parents do.. Now before everyone jumps on me for that let me explain..Kids will defend the parents to the death almost.. look at how many abused kids will not turn their parents in.. but defend them.. Frankly they dont give one hoot about the sexual preferances of the parent.. Just as long as they are loved.. and have a nurturing environment..Kids will not turn out "gay" from being adopted into same sex families.. Isnt it every childs desire to be loved?.. About 3 years ago, my daughter asked me if I minded that I would never be a grandmother.. well apart from being to young to be one.. *EG.. I told her "No, I dont mind.. I would rather she didnt have kids at all if that is how she felt, rather than bring one into the world only to resent the child or neglect, even abuse it..Kids are a precious gift from God.. loaned to us for a few years, to love, nurture, and educate.. How many families are without fathers or mothers only to have aunts, sisters etc take over.. Technically that is a same sex family.. Did it affect the child any?... You bet it did.. that child knew love..lots of it probably..
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  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    A lot like abortion- this is a complicated question to which mentally, spiritualy, and morally is hard to answere. On one side I say; this is a free country... a but on the other side I say; same sex relationships are not natural and wrong. ????????? What's best for the child???????
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    Upon reviewing these studies, the American Psychological Association, in 1995, concluded that the research indicates that children raised by gay parent(s) are not "disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to the children of heterosexual parents." Most significantly, for purposes of family policy, none of the studies support the claims that children raised by gay male or lesbian parents will have serious emotional, intellectual, or social development problems because of their parent's sexual orientation. In the one study that followed children raised from birth into adulthood by a gay parent(s), the young adults did not differ from the young adults raised in heterosexual families, with respect to employment, ability to find and relate to partners, or in their general sense of well-being. The vast majority of children in all the studies functioned well intellectually, did not engage in self-destructive behaviors or in behavior harmful to the community. In these regards, as well as in general well-being, they did not look different from their counterparts with heterosexual parents.

    The studies also find that children raised by gay male and lesbian parents get along as well with their parents and peers as children raised in heterosexual families. The research finds no differences between these groups of children in self-esteem or in characteristics such as leadership ability, self-reliance, interpersonal flexibility, and self-confidence. In a few studies, the children in same-sex households even seemed to have higher levels of well-being in some respects than the comparison group of children from heterosexual families


    I have copied this from just one study printed in a medial journal..
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    So the thought police put an end to the homosexual thread, huh? Well, it's probably for the best. Nice to have a higher authority who REALLY knows what's best for us.

    Should same-sex couples adopt? Hell no. There shouldn't even BE any same-sex couples.

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  • jeenyesjeenyes Member Posts: 330 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just say "NO"

    I love freedom, cause a chained dog ain't happy. A southern born child living behind enemy lines in occupied territory
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  • RancheroPaulRancheroPaul Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    HHHhhmmmmmmmmm! What the hell? Tried to be nice, but as SaxonPig seems to be saying.......shouldn't be here on this board.

    Lowrider said it best.....in my opinion!

    Maybe I need to listen about this some more......I love being offended! This stuff sort of does that to me.

    Nothing makes me happier than to be introduced to someone and have them reply, "Nice to meet you. Did you know I'm Gay?"

    What happened to the idea of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell?" I don't give one damned about their sexual preferences and feel no need to get their views on mine.

    Seeing as how I really didn't want to know and had it shoved in my face, I generally rudely reply with something about, "Sorry, I don't discuss sex with strangers!" If they don't exit, I will!


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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is a fly in the ointment of the logic above that says there's something wrong with a woman raising a kid, if I may politely point it out. We have a 50% divorce rate in this country, making single moms one of the largest groups of young Americans. The "father staying in the family" problem is apparently acute in the Black community. Women are raising kids all over the place. (Notice sexual preference was not mentioned, nor relevant, to this bit of info. It's just a fact. Women do a lot of the child-raising, fatherless, these days.)

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  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Saxon Pig...would you care to elaborate on what can and cannot be discussed on this "general discussion" board? I am curious as to what you deem not worthy or forbidden. Personal feelings and facts on issues are what keep things like this board going.I enjoy the free exchange of ideas and cross-section of America I find here.Or have you forgotten what the First Amendment says? I doubt that you have.I find most of what you and other long time contributors say to be both thought provoking and in most cases relevant.So...how about it? Oh, and by the way Black Roses,thanks for some of the "facts".

    Little people talk about people,regular people talk about things,and big people talk about ideas.
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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    What happened, someones feathers get ruffled and poof?
    lol, to many waaaaaaaaa babys get their little feelins hurted.

    Ok, its time to stir the bucket and see what floats to the top...lol...

    Should same sex couples? No,it would be hypocritical for immoral parents to teach morality to the child. Morality is the basis of right from wrong teaching. What would the child learn from the parents? Its ok to do whatever you like as long as it makes you happy. Remember the cities of sodom and gamorah and what happened to them? What kind of lifestyles were the people of the condemed cities leading? Or maybe you don't believe in the bible. Ok, if thats the case fine, but think of this, it is illegal in almost every state for people of the same sex to marry and sodomy is also illegal. if breaking gods law doesn't bother you, what about the laws of our society.

    Now concerning single mothers, sometimes, they are given no choice in the matter. Many single parents do an outstanding job, but, it takes more effort to get the job done. My grandad died when my dad was 11 years old and my aunt was 14. That was during the depression and WWII. She did a wonderful job. Im not saying that she did a better job with my grandad gone, just that under the circumstances she did what she had to and did it well.

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  • 4GodandCountry4GodandCountry Member Posts: 3,968
    edited November -1
    What happened, someones feathers get ruffled and poof?
    lol, to many waaaaaaaaa babys get their little feelins hurted.

    Ok, its time to stir the bucket and see what floats to the top...lol...

    Should same sex couples? No,it would be hypocritical for immoral parents to teach morality to the child. Morality is the basis of right from wrong teaching. What would the child learn from the parents? Its ok to do whatever you like as long as it makes you happy. Remember the cities of sodom and gamorah and what happened to them? What kind of lifestyles were the people of the condemed cities leading? Or maybe you don't believe in the bible. Ok, if thats the case fine, but think of this, it is illegal in almost every state for people of the same sex to marry and sodomy is also illegal. if breaking gods law doesn't bother you, what about the laws of our society.

    Now concerning single mothers, sometimes, they are given no choice in the matter. Many single parents do an outstanding job, but, it takes more effort to get the job done. My grandad died when my dad was 11 years old and my aunt was 14. That was during the depression and WWII. She did a wonderful job. Im not saying that she did a better job with my grandad gone, just that under the circumstances she did what she had to and did it well.

    When Clinton left office they gave him a 21 gun salute. Its a damn shame they all missed....
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think I misunderstood Saxon's point. On second reading, I think he's referring to single women who want to become single moms and raise their child alone without a partner, not women who get left by the bums who fathered a child. I stand corrected on Saxon's point.

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  • thunderboltthunderbolt Member Posts: 6,041 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Maybe this would be a good time & place to mention the gay priests.
    After all if "saintly" father Bob just can't keep his hands off the kiddies, what chance do the regular sodomites have of resisting temptation?
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    There's plenty of fathers who would give anything to be with their kids but are prevented from doing so by their sorry-assed ex-wives.

    They're not all just the "bums who fathered the child."

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  • squeakycsqueakyc Member Posts: 204 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No they should not be able to adopt. I don't think it would be a very good way for a child to grow up.
    Same sex couples should be illegal and the penallty for being caught is death by firing squad.
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  • LightningLightning Member Posts: 945 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What LOWRIDER said.
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  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    quote: Same Sex Couples ...should they adopt?

    NO!!!

    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem.Semper Fidelis
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