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legal purchase vs. illegal purchase?

pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
edited August 2002 in General Discussion
On another thread a poster made mention that all his guns were purchased legally. I have no problem with that at all. Keep in mind I am talking about if you live in a location where guns do not have to be registered, and of course they are not stolen or restricted guns. By going through a dealer, you go through the system, result=legal. Private sales are also still legal as far as I know. My question is, how would you purchase a gun illegally?

If I knew then, what I know now.
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  • E.WilliamsE.Williams Member Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was talking about guns requiring registration.As far as I knew you hd to register all gun purchaes even private purchases and if you didnt it was illegal.Not nesecarilly the purchase the not registering.If you register hen they know what you have is what I was getting at.Illegal purchase would be like buying a hot gun.

    Eric S. Williams
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  • njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    There is no mandatory gun registration in the state of NJ.

    Charlie

    "It's the stuff dreams are made of Angel"NRA Certified Firearms InstructorMember: GOA, RKBA, NJSPBA, NJ area rep for the 2ndAMPD. njretcop@copmail.com
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  • doomsknight62doomsknight62 Member Posts: 239 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've had a couple people try to sell me guns that I knew for a fact were stolen. I refused, of course. You know, come to think it, that guy is in jail now...

    " God is in His Heaven, All is Right in the World. "
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  • The firearms consultantThe firearms consultant Member Posts: 716 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Could someone please tell me how registering my guns will keep a perp from holding up a 7 11?
    John

    I might not always tell you the truth, but I will never lie to you!
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  • RancheroPaulRancheroPaul Member Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Although I am unable to answer your question, I've been told there are those out there that are "all knowing" and able to speak to this issue with great words of persuasion.....all of which never made any sense to me.

    Such "Great Seers" as Rosie O'Donnell, Diane Feinstein, Sarah Brady, all share this knowledge amongst themselves......but have never have they been able to "shed the light of this knowledge on me."

    Perhaps "BullSh**" by any other name is still "BULLSH**!" This could be the reason "Intelligent" people cannot understand their point of view.



    If You Can't Buy a Pair, Get a Spare!
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  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If he doesnt use his gun,his knife better be registered.

    Best!!!

    Rugster


    Toujours Pret
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  • ccasey612ccasey612 Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have bought plenty of guns thru private parties. If there is no registration in the sate then you have nonthing to worry about. I checked with the BATF and they said unless your state prohibits it, it is fine.

    If you will blame gun makers for every shooting then blame car maker for every car accident.
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ccasey is correct. The ATF told me that State Law supercedes federal law with respect to gun purchases. If you wish to buy a pistol or assault rifle from an individual, there are many states in which that is legal, since it is a private transfer, and an FFL is not needed. Now for instance in MD, I have to go through an FFL to legally purchase a handgun or assault rifle from an individual, and go through the waiting period. It depends on the state you live in. I have found that by calling your state police HEADQUARTERS, not a barracks, you will get a clear cut answer for your state. The ATF said they would assist in prosecution of a violation of your state laws, even though their federal wording did not state it was illegal. The quote was,..."we work hand in hand with your state police, so call them and get the laws for YOUR state".

    A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.
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  • CWatsonCWatson Member Posts: 964 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Say you buy one in a state that doesn't require a FFL transfer,is there a way to see if the gun is stolen?CW

    1.A near miss is still a miss!
    2.Before I got married I spent half my money on women and guns,THE REST I WASTED!
    3.Wasn't me!
    4.KILL EM' ALL AND LET ALLAH SORT EM' OUT!
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What's the difference. If you do a transfer, chances are slim the number will be checked against any hot list anyway. The dealer files the 4473 in a drawer. I believe transfers are optional in Indiana, but the dealers seem to like them because it's $10 free every time two guys walk in. So when you ask a dealer if Indiana requires transfers on private sales, you never get a "yes" or "no," you get a smart answer about being in hot water if your gun is used in a crime and you didn't fill out a transfer.

    - Life NRA Member
    "If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
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  • CWatsonCWatson Member Posts: 964 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Still would like to know if there is a way to check if it is hot.Say you bought a gun at a gun show,or from a friend who bought it from one.Your house gets broken in,you but one between the eyes of the perp with said gun.Not your falt,but the LE that handles the case will run the gun,and if it's hot?CW

    1.A near miss is still a miss!
    2.Before I got married I spent half my money on women and guns,THE REST I WASTED!
    3.Wasn't me!
    4.KILL EM' ALL AND LET ALLAH SORT EM' OUT!
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The site may still be down for upgrading the server, but in the future, try www.isthisgunstolen.com.

    I have in the past, just called the State Police and told them I was purchasing a
    (insert gun here) and given them the serial number. They usually call back within a couple of hours and tell you yes or no. I have never had a yes, but I sure am comforted with their checking for me.

    A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The site may still be down for upgrading the server, but in the future, try www.isthisgunstolen.com.

    I have in the past, just called the State Police and told them I was purchasing a
    (insert gun here) and given them the serial number. They usually call back within a couple of hours and tell you yes or no. I have never had a yes, but I sure am comforted with their checking for me.

    A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.
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  • thunderboltthunderbolt Member Posts: 6,041 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can't speak for everywhere, but in Tennessee, when I call TICS for a background check, they check the serial number against their stolen gun list.
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