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This question may be premature but....

idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
edited September 2002 in General Discussion
I recently purchased a new Beretta 21 (.22 LR) and took it out for the first time this weekend. Unfortunately I only brought one of the 4 magazines that I have purchased for it and I only tested two types of ammunition because it was sort of a spur-of-the-moment shooting session with a buddy of mine. I tested the CCI Velocitor ammo with the Speer Gold Dot bullets and I also tested some Winchester High Velocity FMJ rounds. I experienced some failures to feed (about 1 in 20) and it always seemed to occur with the last round. It occurred with both types of ammunition but it seemed to happen more often with the CCI ammo than with the Winchester. Could this be a magazine issue since it only occurred with the last round? I know that this question is premature and I need to test out all of my magazines with a greater variety of ammo but I am trying to develop some ideas and am interested in what y'all think.

I know that this little "purse gun" is going to draw some ribbing (maybe from SaxonPig heh heh heh) but this was one of the first pistols that I ever fired and there is a place in my heart for the Beretta 21.
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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What happens when you load one or more less rounds in the mags?

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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sometimes feeding problems like this disappear after you have shot a few hundred rounds.

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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    ANYTIME you have a feeding problem with an autoloader, ALWAYS suspect the magazine. It is very quick to troubleshoot. Just put in a different magazine and see if the problem goes away. If it does, great. You fixed it. If not, then try something else.



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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    ANYTIME you have a feeding problem with an autoloader, ALWAYS suspect the magazine. It is very quick to troubleshoot. Just put in a different magazine and see if the problem goes away. If it does, great. You fixed it. If not, then try something else.



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  • PelicanPelican Member Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    David, file the sear on that mouse, yer doublin'.

    Semi's do need some 'break-in'. Run a brick of ammo thru using different mags. Then take two asprin and call me in the morning.

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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    At $25 - $30 a pop, one of these magazines better work heh heh heh. I'm working on Saturday and am heading to the Des Moines, IA gun show on Sunday and then I have to play station commander for the next 6 weeks so we'll see when I get to test out the other magazines.
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  • 5db5db Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As an offer of good will and in the name of science, send that pistol to me and I'll break it in. I'll even supply the ammo, save ya some freight charges don't ya know.

    If not, then with two rounds in the mag, seat it and chamber a round, fire the pistol. See what you have as a result. If it jams again, pull the mag apart and stretch the spring a bit repeat steps above. If that makes it work, you might buy some new springs. Also, look for burs on the inside of the lips that might catch on those troublesome rimmed cases.

    It would be easier to send it to me....

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  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Read an article that mentioned using "Q tips" to run over the mag lips; if there are any burrs, the cotton tip will hang on it.

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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    HAIRY--Interesting theory. The lights in my apartment have been shut off and I don't think my weary eyes could bear it if I turned them on again so I will have to test this theory tomorrow night. The magazine that I was using is brand new as are the other three that I own for this gun. The problem didn't surface if I only loaded five rounds into the magazine but reared its ugly head when I loaded it to its maximum capacity of "7". I shouldn't expect perfection. Every Beretta 21 I have ever fired has had at least a couple of failures to feed during every shooting session. The CCI Velocitor bullets look a bit odd so I expected some trouble. Like some here have already said, some guns need some breaking in. We'll see.
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  • 5db5db Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Q-tips for checking burs, great idea! idsman75, let us know if it breaks in and becomes jam free. Good luck.

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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    5db--Tell ya what. I'll send you the gun if you send me an Accu-Shot. You can break her in for me and I'll see if I want to buy an Accu-Shot. I'm not a bench-rest shooter. I don't even own anything that would be considered "match grade". Would one of those popular devices do me any good on my Winchester .270 if I was popping coyotes?
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  • 5db5db Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    One question, what are your expectations after it's broke in?

    About the Accu-Shot, it's use is not limited to Bench shooting or Match grade rifles or pistols. We have customers using them on all manner of firearms, for sighting in and field use, assisting in taking everything from Prairie Dogs to Talibans. It's not an answer to all the problems faced in the field but sure is handy when applicable. If shooting across the hood of a vehicle at a running dog and time allows drop the leg and use the Hasty method. If you get a dog stopped a ways out there, lock the leg and dial in the sight picture, adjust for windage and range then pop him.

    I'd suspect your capable of pretty fair shooting, so if the shot is
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  • competentonecompetentone Member Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Try CCI Stingers.

    Try the "break-in" as suggested.

    This "failure to feed"; is the round left completely in the magazine? And the slid closes on an empty chamber? If the round is stripped, but then the bullet "cuts into" and jambs on the corner of the chamber, a very slight rounding of the "sharp edge" of the chamber might be needed.

    Check the roll-pin(s) (I forget if it's one or two pins) that holds the ejector in place. Mine would "drift" out and cause excessive friction on the slide, limiting rearward motion on the slide. I removed the pins, cleaned with acetone and reinstalled them with blue Loctite. You should be able to see if there is excessive friction at the pin as the metal will be bright.

    MARK each magazine when you test the others, and see if one is giving more trouble than the rest--DON'T just rely on your memory as to which mag you're using.

    (As for that "premature" problem, try thinking about something other than the girl... )
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:
    The round is stripped, but then the bullet "cuts into" and jambs on the corner of the chamber.

    THIS IS THE CASE.

    (As for that "premature" problem, try thinking about something other than the girl... )

    I'LL MAKE SURE I STOP THINKING ABOUT THE GIRL
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  • JudgeColtJudgeColt Member Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I do not agree that malfunctions are unavoidable on the rimfire M21A. I have one about 11 years old, and it has been totally reliable.

    I suspect a combination of things, with the magazine being most suspicious. Some burrs on the lips (I use my fingernail to test for burrs, just like on a sharpened knife) and a too-rough slide-cartridge contact area could cause malfunctions. A general "fluff and buff" might be needed, although I have always thought Berettas have very high quality. Perhaps this one is an exception. I would be glad to look at it for you if you would like.
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  • thunderboltthunderbolt Member Posts: 6,041 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Keep shooting the gun and give it a chance to settle in. Too many
    guns are ruined by trying to correct problems that would solve themselves in time.
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