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Shooting somebody else's reloads

calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209
edited September 2011 in General Discussion
Would you shoot reloads of an unknown origin?

What if there were some that were heavier?

I was given some gun stuff and it included some rounds of 38 special. They are lead cast bullets. Obviously, cartridges are going to vary a little bit in weight. I decided to weigh each and every round. I split them into two main categories with a couple rounds in the middle.

The first category has 27 rounds. The weight ranges from 227.3 grains to 230.6 grains. The median is 229 grains and the average is 228.922 grains.

The high group has 12 rounds and ranges from 235.7 to 239.3 grains. The median is 237 and the average is 237.175 grains.

Two rounds came in in the middle at 231.3 and 232.1 grains.

Of course, without knowing the origins of the rounds, I don't know if the high ones are double charged or if the low ones are just light rounds.

To answer my questions, I have already made the decision to never shoot reloads of unknown origin. I will go so far as to say that for the most part, I won't even shoot reloading cartridges that I DO know the origins of unless I completely trust that person. I've shot my own reloads because I know that I follow all safety precautions. The only other reloads that I have shot are from my cousin that has been reloading for years and has taken me under his wing to teach me reloading. I've seen him reload and he doesn't cut corners or allow distractions. He doesn't "experiment" outside of accepted reloading guidelines found in reloading manuals.

I will also NEVER shoot reloads from my wife's uncle, nor will I ever go shooting WITH him. He is an FFL and a hunter's safety teacher and talking to him makes me scared to be in the same state as anybody that he has taught. He was bragging to me about mixing powders to create a bigger flash to impress his students. He also gave me a "tip" of using a tiny dab of red locktite so I don't have to crimp cases.

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  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,049 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There are only a couple people that I will shoot their reloads. I don't mind Zero (a local company that has a really nice reputation) but I don't shoot ANYONE'S that I don't know and there are some guys that want to give me things from time to time....but I politely tell them I can't take them. I have to get that deep down "everything is OK" feeling when I'm shooting anything. I don't like to be the tester....ever.
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  • MudderChuckMudderChuck Member Posts: 4,105
    edited November -1
    Once and only once,I bought a couple of boxes of reloads from the range master at a local gun range. Shot one round that slapped the slide back on my Browning so hard I actually thought it was going to break something.

    Put my bullet puller to work, used the powder as fertilizer and tossed the primed cases after soaking them in oil.
  • savage170savage170 Member Posts: 37,539 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Georgia Arms is the only reloads I'll shoot unless their my own
  • MobuckMobuck Member Posts: 14,124 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So you think Black Hills is not trustworthy???
    Are you refering to commercial, licensed & insured remanufacturers or Clyde down the street who pushes a broom at Walmart 3 nights a week and doesn't use reloading manuals cause he can't read?
    I learned 4 decades ago not to shoot someone else's reloads regardless of the other guy's best intentions when my Mother's cousin loaded me some 30/06 ammo that tied up the bolt on my 760 and 03A3.
    I don't have a problem using commercially reloaded ammo but I do test it for consistent performance before depending on it.
  • djh860djh860 Member Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I purchased reloads at a gun show last weekend. He has a permit to reload and has been in the business for 30 years. I'll let you know how it goes.
  • NavybatNavybat Member Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    To give my take on the original post, if it's unknown origin, it's unknown quality, so I agree with you, DO NOT shoot them.

    If the man/company has a license to reload, and sells a lot, he or she or it is a professional reloader, not an amateur reloader and I'm sure (but I would check anyway) insurance is involved, or legal releases, etc. That should be ok. I'd test first and then buy in bulk.

    In general, I shoot MY reloads, and I'm scrupulously honest about keeping safety practices. I got a buddy into the hobby and he and I check each other's work and observe each other loading and we know we do it the same way. We have shot each other's reloads a bit doing testing in our different guns.

    I would never buy reloads at a gun show if I didn't know the loader. I'm not criticizing those who do, but it's MY safety limit that prevents me from doing so.
  • jwb267jwb267 Member Posts: 19,664 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    my BIL does all my reloading. never had a problem
  • abcguns2abcguns2 Member Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK ?
    My theory is I NEVER Shoot Reloads ( "factory reman.s " OK) , but NEVER some bubba made ammo ! NEVER !
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    If you dont want to waste them, take them apart and start over,
  • NavybatNavybat Member Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Classic095
    If you dont want to waste them, take them apart and start over,


    THAT is good advice. Powder is cheap. Safety is not.
  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Classic095
    If you dont want to waste them, take them apart and start over,


    That's the plan.

    And to everybody else, I was referring to garage reloaded ammo, not commercial reloads.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    I would only shoot someone else's reloads in someone else's gun, and maybe not then if I have to be the one pulling the trigger putting my body in harms way.

    If I know the reloader personally, maybe.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • e3mrke3mrk Member Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I only shoot the reloads I produce.
    My Son was shooting reloads that My Father in Law made for His AR-15 (223) and when He shot one the Magazine was ejected out of the Rifle.
    We removed a Bullet from a reload and found that all 500 rounds had a double charge in them.
    Now My Father in Law and Brother in Law are playing the blame game as to who made the reloads.
    Now My Son will only shoot factory new Ammo.
  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
    There are only a couple people that I will shoot their reloads. I don't mind Zero (a local company that has a really nice reputation) but I don't shoot ANYONE'S that I don't know and there are some guys that want to give me things from time to time....but I politely tell them I can't take them. I have to get that deep down "everything is OK" feeling when I'm shooting anything. I don't like to be the tester....ever.


    ZERO! I have a couple thousand 150gr .308 SP bullets with a "ZERO" label. They are as accurate as anything I've shot over 50+ years of loading. I wonder if they still make that bullet. I can't see their website; dealers and wholesalers only. Do you have access?

    Clouder..
  • armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,490 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I only shoot loads that I know where they came from. That goes for supposed factory rounds as well. If I don't know where they came from they do not get shot in any of my guns. I wouldn't rule out reloads per say, but again I have to know where they came from.
  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,049 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
    quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
    There are only a couple people that I will shoot their reloads. I don't mind Zero (a local company that has a really nice reputation) but I don't shoot ANYONE'S that I don't know and there are some guys that want to give me things from time to time....but I politely tell them I can't take them. I have to get that deep down "everything is OK" feeling when I'm shooting anything. I don't like to be the tester....ever.


    ZERO! I have a couple thousand 150gr .308 SP bullets with a "ZERO" label. They are as accurate as anything I've shot over 50+ years of loading. I wonder if they still make that bullet. I can't see their website; dealers and wholesalers only. Do you have access?

    Clouder..


    I didn't keep up with them once I left retail. They are a pretty cool little company. A guy started it with his wife and eventually hired his mother and some other family members to work the presses for him. Everyone around here stocks their 38's
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  • JimmyJackJimmyJack Member Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • Old hickoryOld hickory Member Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm not a gambler usually , but I'm really tight with a buck, and if they look well made I take a chance and I haven't been burned in 40 years, plus I've gotten a heck of a lotta deals like 700 rounds of .308 for $50 that was loaded with hornaday boat tails and 1970 lake city brass.
  • ZinderblocZinderbloc Member Posts: 925 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I never trust unknown reloads in my guns. I agree with the other posters: Pull 'em, dump the powder, keep the bullet and primed brass. Works for me.
  • lksmith03lksmith03 Member Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Classic095
    If you dont want to waste them, take them apart and start over,

    or only shoot them in a Ruger or Dan Wesson 357Mag since they are overbuilt.
    You really can't blow one of those up with 38spcl cases even if using compressed loads
  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by djh860
    I purchased reloads at a gun show last weekend. He has a permit to reload and has been in the business for 30 years. I'll let you know how it goes.


    Me too, but they weren't "reloads" they were never fired brass.
    So I guess that makes them "loads"?

    I thought of it more as "custom" than "seconds". But I haven't fired any yet.
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by e3mrk
    I only shoot the reloads I produce.
    My Son was shooting reloads that My Father in Law made for His AR-15 (223) and when He shot one the Magazine was ejected out of the Rifle.
    We removed a Bullet from a reload and found that all 500 rounds had a double charge in them.
    Now My Father in Law and Brother in Law are playing the blame game as to who made the reloads.
    Now My Son will only shoot factory new Ammo.


    I can't help but wonder what powder was used. The powders I have tried for .223 were way to bulky to double-charge and not notice.
  • 76k2076k20 Member Posts: 643 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by guntech59
    quote:Originally posted by e3mrk
    I only shoot the reloads I produce.
    My Son was shooting reloads that My Father in Law made for His AR-15 (223) and when He shot one the Magazine was ejected out of the Rifle.
    We removed a Bullet from a reload and found that all 500 rounds had a double charge in them.
    Now My Father in Law and Brother in Law are playing the blame game as to who made the reloads.
    Now My Son will only shoot factory new Ammo.


    I can't help but wonder what powder was used. The powders I have tried for .223 were way to bulky to double-charge and not notice.


    I would also like to know how you double-charge a 223[?][?] Any powder of appropriate burn rate for 223 could not possibly be double-charged and fit in the case, powder would be spilling out of the neck and then some.
  • traprtrapr Member Posts: 199 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
    quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
    There are only a couple people that I will shoot their reloads. I don't mind Zero (a local company that has a really nice reputation) but I don't shoot ANYONE'S that I don't know and there are some guys that want to give me things from time to time....but I politely tell them I can't take them. I have to get that deep down "everything is OK" feeling when I'm shooting anything. I don't like to be the tester....ever.


    ZERO! I have a couple thousand 150gr .308 SP bullets with a "ZERO" label. They are as accurate as anything I've shot over 50+ years of loading. I wonder if they still make that bullet. I can't see their website; dealers and wholesalers only. Do you have access?

    Clouder..
    any .308 130 grain in that stash?
  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by lksmith03
    quote:Originally posted by Classic095
    If you dont want to waste them, take them apart and start over,

    or only shoot them in a Ruger or Dan Wesson 357Mag since they are overbuilt.
    You really can't blow one of those up with 38spcl cases even if using compressed loads


    Will be using a Taurus Model 66.
  • lksmith03lksmith03 Member Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
    quote:Originally posted by lksmith03
    quote:Originally posted by Classic095
    If you dont want to waste them, take them apart and start over,

    or only shoot them in a Ruger or Dan Wesson 357Mag since they are overbuilt.
    You really can't blow one of those up with 38spcl cases even if using compressed loads


    Will be using a Taurus Model 66.

    Then I'd pull them and re-charge. My Brother-in-law has one and it looks/feels sound and feels like it'd handle even hot reloads but it ain't a 44mag with a 357 cylinder and barrel like the rugers and dan's I've seen
  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209
    edited November -1
    Now I HAVE to pull them. I accidentally knocked the table and they fell down so they are no longer separated by weight. Now I have no idea which ones are the potential hot loads and I'm not about to weigh them all again.
  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by trapr
    quote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
    quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
    There are only a couple people that I will shoot their reloads. I don't mind Zero (a local company that has a really nice reputation) but I don't shoot ANYONE'S that I don't know and there are some guys that want to give me things from time to time....but I politely tell them I can't take them. I have to get that deep down "everything is OK" feeling when I'm shooting anything. I don't like to be the tester....ever.


    ZERO! I have a couple thousand 150gr .308 SP bullets with a "ZERO" label. They are as accurate as anything I've shot over 50+ years of loading. I wonder if they still make that bullet. I can't see their website; dealers and wholesalers only. Do you have access?

    Clouder..
    any .308 130 grain in that stash?


    Yes'ir, but they're HP. Vicious stuff on a rockchuck.

    Clouder..
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