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Secret Iran-Arafat Connection is Seen Fueling the Mideast Fire

BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
edited March 2002 in General Discussion
A Secret Iran-Arafat Connection Is Seen Fueling the Mideast Fire Sun Mar 24, 9:03 AM ET By DOUGLAS FRANTZ and JAMES RISEN The New York Times TEL AVIV American and Israeli intelligence officials have concluded that Yasir Arafat has forged a new alliance with Iran that involves Iranian shipments of heavy weapons and millions of dollars to Palestinian groups that are waging guerrilla war against Israel. Get DealBook, a daily email digest of corporate finance newsDealBook. Search NYTimes.com: Today's NewsPast WeekPast 30 DaysPast 90 DaysPast YearSince 1996 The partnership, officials said, was arranged in a clandestine meeting in Moscow last May between two top aides to Mr. Arafat and Iranian government officials. The meeting took place while Mr. Arafat was visiting President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, according to senior Israeli security officials who declined to describe the precise nature of their information.The new alignment is significant for several reasons, American and Israeli officials said. In recent years, Iran's support for terrorism around the world has been on the wane, with the notable exception of its ties to Hezbollah, the militant group that fought for 18 years to expel Israel from southern Lebanon.Israeli officials say they are alarmed by Mr. Arafat's alliance with Iran because they say it gives the Palestinians a powerful and well-armed patron in the increasingly violent conflict with Israel. American officials echoed that concern and said they were also worried by intelligence reports that say Tehran is harboring Al Qaeda members, including one leader who recently tried to mount an attack against Israel from his sanctuary in Iran.Questions about Iran's relationship with the Palestinians came into public view early this year when Israel seized a ship carrying 50 tons of Iranian-supplied arms, including antitank weapons that could neutralize one of Israel's main military advantages over the Palestinians and rockets that could reach most cities in Israel.Both the Palestinians and Iranians deny they are working together, but American and Israeli officials say they now see the shipment as part of a broader relationship. They say that began with several smaller attempts by Iranian-backed groups in Lebanon to supply arms and was cemented in the Moscow meeting. Officials of Israel and the United States say they believe that Mr. Arafat personally approved the dealings with Iran.American officials said that Israeli intelligence reports about the Moscow meeting were at the heart of secret briefings that Israel provided to the Bush administration after the arms shipment was intercepted. "There's plenty of evidence to show that it wasn't a rogue operation," a senior State Department official said of the ship that Israel seized in early January.Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) officials dismissed the charges of any Iranian involvement in their struggle against Israel and denied that Mr. Arafat knew of the arms shipment. They said the allegations were an attempt by Israel to discredit the Palestinians and to justify Israel's military operations in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (news - web sites)."This is a factory of lies," Yasir Abed Rabbo, the Palestinian minister of information, said. "Israel is like any colonial power. When they get in trouble, they try to blame outsiders. There has not been a single Iranian here since the 14th century."Iran also has denied any involvement with the Palestinians or the arms shipments. Ali Shamkhani, the Iranian minister of defense, told the state news agency, "The Islamic Republic of Iran has had no military relations with Arafat, and no steps have been taken by any Iranian organization for the shipment of arms to the mentioned lands."For several years, American counterterrorism experts believed Iran's terrorist apparatus had fallen dormant. Hezbollah and other groups backed by Iran had not attacked American targets since the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia killed 19 American servicemen in 1996. Iranian leaders had apparently decided that state sponsorship of anti-American terrorism was too risky at a time when the country was trying to build closer economic ties with Europe.

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  • badboybobbadboybob Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wasn't it just two months or so ago that the Israelies captured 50 TONS of weapons shipped from Iran to the Palestinian terrorists? Shortly after this capture the present round of Palestinian suicide bombing idiocy began. Any rational thinker can make the connection. How much worse would the present idiocy be if that weapons shipment had been delivered? It's time to turn the Israelies loose and stop those crazy ragheads permantly.
    PC=BS
  • IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    bbb, shame on you! You know it's all the Israelis' fault. After all, they refuse to lie down & die - or run away. Sure, Arafat wants peace - after the last non-Muslim between Lebanon & Egypt is gone. The Palestinians have some legitimate complaints, but instead of negotiating for a equitable settlement, they revert to terrorism. About all they can do; in a stand up fight, the Israelis would wipe them out without breaking a sweat.
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    The problem is the UN.It's run by a Liberal-Arab, and filled with Arab nations that actively sponsor terrorism.I wouldnt mind if the UN ceased to exist permanently.It has never served a meaningful purpose. Not during the Cold War, when the Soviet Union was allowed a charter membership, not during the Gulf War when Arab nations openly pledged war on the United States on the floor of the UN legislature, and definately not now, as nations like Syria channel funds to Hamas while overseeing the security concerns for the rest of the world on the UN Security Counsel!Screw the UN. They mean nothing.
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The problem is the UN? Now thats funny, since the UN is responsible for this mess in the first place.
    Happiness is a warm gun
  • travelortravelor Member Posts: 442 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think that I remain resolved in my opinion that we should not interfere in the relations between Isreal and Palastine..let them duke it out and see who comes out on top...afterward we can deal with whoever is left standing based on their stance with us. I still think that we have no buisiness getting into the middle of a 5 thousand year old religious war....no sense in turning them all against us...
    keep lots of extra uppers for your ar..you can change often enough to keep the thing from over heating...what ever caliber fits the moment..~Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    I have no problem with containing the situation and letting them duke it out.If even a tiny modicum of the international interference was reduced from Israel's back, they would end this insanity and crush the Palestinians once and for all.Everyone wants to hold the Israeli's back and threaten them and implore them and sanction them. No one gives the Palestinians so much as a cross look, except for us.We've given the Palestinians way too many chances.We've been letting the 4-foot tall guy kick the 6-foot tall guy in the balls for a long time. We've told the little guy to stop hitting below the belt, we've pleaded with the tall guy to show mercy.The little guy didnt stop. And he wont, ever.The Palestinians are warmongering bloodthirsty heathen savages.Lets wash our hands of this and let the Israelis pound them into dust, like they should have years ago.
  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just want to know when it came to pass that Arafat went from being recognized as a true terrorist to being recognized as some kind of national leader. I know that there are Palestinian sympathizers on this board. Oh well. So let it be written so let it be done.
  • RedlegRedleg Member Posts: 417 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Secret Iran-Arafat Connection is Seen Fueling the Mideast Fire No *!!! It took a damned newspaper to figure that one out? All of thos mo-fos are in cahoots.
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    http://www.petitiononline.com/Israeli Sign my petition to show support for Israel's war on terrorism.
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    There you go again. You appear to be comsumed with hatred. It's OK if we pour unlimited funds & weapons into Israel but the other side must be unarmed.I admire a people that fight tanks & machine guns with stones. The simple fact is that the Israelies can bathe in blood for the next one hundred years & they will not break the sprit of the Palestinian people.The current Intifada began when Aerial Sharon derailed the peace process with his desecration of the Dome of the Rock. The Israeli people rewarded him by electing him Prime Minister.There have only been two Israeli Prime Ministers that truly wanted peace. The first (Barak)was murdered for his efforts & the second (Peres) was voted out of office by those who did not want to give up any land for peace. The simple fact is that the Saudi peace plan would be soundly defeated if itwere submitted to a plebiscite in Israel.
  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Darn good thing the American Indians did not have explosives way back when we STOLE their land and broke treatys!That is what the Jews are doing now aint it? Treating the race who previously occupied the land with the same kind of inhumane crap? Maybe I am over simplifying this issue,but that is the way I see it.
  • bwabwa Member Posts: 224 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    gruntled:I believe it was Yitzak Rabin who was assassinated, rather than Ehud Barak. Mr. Barak was the most recent prime minister who engaged in a series of marathon peace talks several years ago with Mr. Arafat, brokered by Bill Clinton. Every source I've read agrees that on that occasion Mr. Barak offered Mr. Arafat nearly everything he wanted, but he refused, insisting that 100% of his demands be met. I have nothing to say here about the evils committed by either side. However I would suggest that any human being who is genuinely interested in resolving a conflict is willing to yield to some degree in order to see it happen. Mr. Arafat was unyielding in his demands, demonstrating a clear lack of interest in peace.
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    BWA: Thank you. It was indeed Yitzhak Rabin who was murdered. It is important that the correct man should be noted both for his vision at Oslo & for his tragic loss.Ehud Barak did make a useful proposal but it did not address all the land issues & it contained no reference to the right of return. The Oslo accords made it clear both of these topics were to be subjects of negotations & not a take it or leave it ultimatum.It is my understanding that Shimon Peres is the only important Israeli leader still committed to achieving peace. To a man like Sharon peace has the old Soviet meaning of the absence of resistance.(Following copied from news story) Some Israeli Cabinet ministers have demanded that Sharon not allow Arafat to return. Sharon was to meet with key Cabinet ministers Monday evening to discuss Arafat?_Ts travel plans. Peres along with Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer of the moderate Labor party favor lifting the travel ban, while members of Sharon?_Ts hawkish Likud party oppose the idea. [This message has been edited by gruntled (edited 03-25-2002).]
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