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happy birthday Robert E. Lee

tomahawktomahawk Member Posts: 11,826
edited January 2012 in General Discussion

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  • 1880texan1880texan Member Posts: 978 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • torosapotorosapo Member Posts: 4,946
    edited November -1
    A few years ago when my youngest son was in high school MLK day fell on Lee's birhtday. My son went to school with a black arm band on. His teacher commented on how nice it was that he was honoring Dr King. My son looked at her straight faced and replied he was honoring the greatest American general, Robert E. Lee.

    Yup I got another phone call from the school.
  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A brilliant tactician and quite possibly the greatest military leader that this nation has ever produced.
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
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    Certainly a more honorable man than most...he is perhaps the greatest son of Virginia....it would be hard pressed to decide between him, Jackson, or Washington.

    I am amazed at some of the things he was able to accomplish, and the character with which he lived.
  • JnRockwallJnRockwall Member Posts: 16,350 ✭✭✭
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  • roswellnativeroswellnative Member Posts: 10,194 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I love this land of cotton.
    Although always described as a cowboy, Roswellnative generally acts as a righter of wrongs or bodyguard of some sort, where he excels thanks to his resourcefulness and incredible gun prowesses.
  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here in VA, it is Lee-Jackson-King Day.
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
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    most of the current honorees in washington have to be integrated with the few real AMERICAN heros otherwise their pictures would only appear in the post office
  • MossbergboogieMossbergboogie Member Posts: 12,211
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    A brilliant tactician and quite possibly the greatest military leader that this nation has ever produced.


    Even so on a hot July day he made a huge tactical mistake against the better wishes of another general. That probably lost both the war and the cause.
  • bigboy12bigboy12 Member Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    As great as Lee was as a General, he was an even greater man. His character was beyond reproach. Rest in Peace, General Lee.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 11b6r
    Here in VA, it is Lee-Jackson-King Day.


    Thanks for the day off fellas [;)]
  • firstharmonicfirstharmonic Member Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Marse Robert was born on January 19th. So birthday wishes, although always nice, are just a tad early. But he was a great man.
  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 22,051 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I guess I'll make me some grits and honey.
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Arkansas still commemorates MLK and REL day jointly.

    Celebrate the holiday of your choice, I guess.
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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,692 ✭✭✭✭
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    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    A brilliant tactician and quite possibly the greatest military leader that this nation has ever produced.


    Two words:

    Picket's Charge.

    Lee did more with little than one had the right to expect, and was perhaps the greatest defensive general we have had. His offensive skills were not at the same high level, IMO.
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  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
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    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    A brilliant tactician and quite possibly the greatest military leader that this nation has ever produced.


    Two words:

    Picket's Charge.

    Lee did more with little than one had the right to expect, and was perhaps the greatest defensive general we have had. His offensive skills were not at the same high level, IMO.


    That is why I strongly believe had Thomas Jackson been present at that battle things would have gone very differently. Jackson was an extremley bold (almost reckless) tactican that was able to divide, attack, divide, and even attack again with forces that often had odds against him and then would still when a field victory. I honestly feel that because of the deadly combination the two formed, and the balance they gave each other, that is the one of the reasons that the South seemed to have had such success during the first two years of the war. Much can be said if one draws a time graph of important strategic victories and losses before and after the death of Jackson.

    Dont get me wrong, Im not saying Jackson was the end all be all of the confederacy generals, he also had his flaws, but with the combination of Lee and Jackson commanding...any army of that day would have reason to fear them.
  • McDAccountantMcDAccountant Member Posts: 466 ✭✭
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    quote:Originally posted by firstharmonic
    Marse Robert was born on January 19th. So birthday wishes, although always nice, are just a tad early. But he was a great man.




    His birthday has always been celebrated on the third Monday of January in VA...known as Lee-Jackson Day in the Commonwealth....
  • stegsteg Member Posts: 871 ✭✭✭✭
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    For Don McManus:
    Lee's original plan involving Gen. Picket was brilliant. He sent Jeb Stuart with the entire Cavalry to make a feint upon Harrisburg, Pa. to draw off troops from Meade and then swing around the rear of the Union troops and attack them at the same time that Picket would charge their front in the center. The intent was to split the union forces in two. Unfortunately, Stuart messed up and arrived at the rear late. Picket was advised not to do the charge until he got word that Stuart was about to attack, but he was one of those by the book-by the clock guys and attacked the center of the Union lines. Of course, since the Yankees were not being threatened in the rear, so Picket bore the full brunt of the Union Army.
    When Stuart finally did arrive, he was met by Custer who had only 4000 cavalry militia to go against Stuarts 60,000+ force. However, Custers men were equiped with Henry repeating rifles, and within the first 1/2 hour Stuart lost more than 1/3 of his men and had to retreat.
    Still, despite Stuart's screw-up, Picket took the blame for the loss of the battle.
  • bigboy12bigboy12 Member Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    1. If Jackson had survived Chancellorsville, there probably would not have been a battle at Gettysburg. Jackson had wanted to invade Maryland and take the railroads that linked Baltimore and Washington which would have cut Washington off from all access to the North except by sea.
    2. Ewell failed to capture Culp's Hill on the first day of battle at Gettysburg. He faced a Union brigade less than half his strength, but Ewell had no iniative. Had Ewell taken Culp's Hill, the entire Union Army would have had to retreat toward Washington.
    3. Longstreet tried to get Lee to swing around the Army of the Potomoc in order to get between Meade and Washington. This would have given the Confederates the high ground around the South Mountain area and would have made Meade attack a very well entrenched Army of Northern Virginia.
    4. Lee missed SEVERAL opportunities to win at Gettysburg, while Meade took advantage of Lee's mistakes.
  • OakieOakie Member Posts: 40,565 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A great man. He and his family owened what is now Arlington National Cemetary. The house still stands there today at the top of the hill overlooking JFK's grave.
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