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Marc1301
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How many here believe this election will be confirmed by said electors as it stands, or do you think there is a REAL chance that some of these subversive moves to dissuade electors from sticking with Trump could succeed?
I'm no huge Trump fan, (yes I voted for him), but these sick games being played are making me and a lot of folks I know angrier by the day. There are people out there that are committing acts that should result in a severe penalty IMHO.
Never thought I would see this kind of divisiveness in my country.
I'm no huge Trump fan, (yes I voted for him), but these sick games being played are making me and a lot of folks I know angrier by the day. There are people out there that are committing acts that should result in a severe penalty IMHO.
Never thought I would see this kind of divisiveness in my country.
"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
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People want popular vote to rule. If that is allowed, Democrats will forever hold the White House. New York City, LA, SAn Fran, San Diego and other major urban areas overwhelmingly vote liberal and the Midwest gets wiped out by them.
People want popular vote to rule. If that is allowed, Democrats will forever hold the White House. New York City, LA, SAn Fran, San Diego and other major urban areas overwhelmingly vote liberal and the Midwest gets wiped out by them.
Not likely.
Quit getting your news on blogs, obscure websites, and Facebook if you think there is real talk about really doing it.
It was a personal question I had, not as a result of reading blogs or obscure websites,....and I don't even have a Facebook account.
There ARE moves being made that are mentioned by major news sources if you bother listening. How valid they are is another story, and the reason I asked the question.
BTW,...go pound sand troll.
BTW,...go pound sand troll.
Point of ORDER ...
Your OP was the TROLL post.
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
BTW,...go pound sand troll.
Point of ORDER ...
Your OP was the TROLL post.
Point of Clarification...
Could you illustrate what portion of the OP falls under generally accepted standards of 'trolling'?
That's a new one on me, as well as being called a troll for the first time since joining here over ten years ago.
Now that would be awesome!!![^][^][^][^][^][^][^][^]
Keep in mind main stream media IS the DEMOCRAT party. False narratives, deceit, subterfuge, and outright lies are espoused almost every hour in efforts to destroy Trump.
I have lived long enough to remember the DEMOCRATS praising the EC when results were in their favor. The hypocrisy of these leftist is unprecedented.
Of course if they stole the election I doubt working folks would have time to do a lot of protesting.
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
Never thought I would see this kind of divisiveness in my country.
And for that, you can thank Obama and the likes of Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, George Soros, and a host of other liberal, socialist, commies.
^^^^^^^^^^^ SIMPLE ENOUGH,, Barry has put so much fuel on this fire now Trump has to put it out.
I heard Barry "speak" again yesterday,, I mean this guy is completely nuts,,,he really believes in the slop he washes with.[|)]
quote:Originally posted by us55840
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
Never thought I would see this kind of divisiveness in my country.
And for that, you can thank Obama and the likes of Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, George Soros, and a host of other liberal, socialist, commies.
^^^^^^^^^^^ SIMPLE ENOUGH,, Barry has put so much fuel on this fire now Trump has to put it out.
I heard Barry "speak" again yesterday,, I mean this guy is completely nuts,,,he really believes in the slop he washes with.[|)]
He is the lowest kind of lowlife.
I looked into the process and after a few hours could not get good solid info.
So, if the cronyism reaches as deep as we know, so it would seem it reaches to the electors.
If the house and senate are now R, it stands to reason the electors have the same mindset and thus will not change to vote the hag in.
They could, and they could vote her as VP best I can discern, but they won't. There were rumors a few elections back about electors having been deceased and still voting.
If the electors carry so much power, why are we not getting more info on how they are selected. Where is the oversight? Not much on it easy to find.
I think it has to go as the people in the states voted it.
Of course if they stole the election I doubt working folks would have time to do a lot of protesting.
I read that many states have laws that say the elector has to vote as the people voted. Additionally, some states will fine the electors if they don't
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
Asking how many people think something being reported on the news everyday could happen is now considered trolling?
That's a new one on me, as well as being called a troll for the first time since joining here over ten years ago.
Well, lets look at what you are claiming:
"How many here believe this election will be confirmed by said electors as it stands, or do you think there is a REAL chance that some of these subversive moves to dissuade electors from sticking with Trump could succeed?"
You had to get the idea from somewhere, as you are referencing something using inflammatory terms and unproven assertions that don't come from nowhere.
No, they don't come from nowhere. They come from a leftist petition on Change.org that on last review had 4.3 million signatures. The effort has been reported and discussed in places like the WaPo, FoxNews, and The Independent UK. Not exactly fringe organizations.
"I'm no huge Trump fan, (yes I voted for him), but these sick games being played are making me and a lot of folks I know angrier by the day."
As above. Repeating goofy conspiracy rumors as if there was an actual basis to believe them and thumping your chest about how angry you and your nameless friends are about a non-existent or highly unlikely to occur event is pointless, is it not ? If not, just what are you trying to gain ?
It may have escaped your notice, given that you are a leftist yourself, but much of what passes for 'thought' on the left is 'goofy conspiracy conspiracy rumors'. However unlikely the actual occurrence may be, discussing what political opponents might do isn't exactly a newly discovered activity.
"There are people out there that are committing acts that should result in a severe penalty IMHO."
Nameless people and dark forces are doing what to sabotage the electoral college ?
???
Had you spent any time watching news of current events, you might have noticed acts other than just the petition. Riots. Endless protests. Attacks on Trump supporters. Ring any bells?
"Never thought I would see this kind of divisiveness in my country."
Don't bring it, and there might be a whole lot less.
It is not unusual for the left to blame the right for what they are themselves doing. It is called 'projection', and leftists like you do it very regularly.
Trolling ?
How many times have you called me, or anyone else in these forums, a troll ?
Since you do little else on this forum but trolling, it ought not surprise you to get labelled accurately.
If you have never been called the same, then perhaps you should just meditate upon that fact for a while.
It's no proof that you are innocent.
Perhaps not, but it certainly sets a higher probability of innocence than someone who trolls like a fisherman dragging a lure. Personally, I think the question asked by the OP is car short of trolling as it applies to the Interweb, and I think absent some unforeseen explanation from the Capt, that opinion is unlikely to change. My opinion of you is unlikely to change, even if you bring the Pope as a character witness, and a letter of recommendation from Jesus. You are a troll. Thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts.
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
BTW,...go pound sand troll.
Point of ORDER ...
Your OP was the TROLL post.
Wha? Huh?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by mogley98
I think it has to go as the people in the states voted it.
Of course if they stole the election I doubt working folks would have time to do a lot of protesting.
I read that many states have laws that say the elector has to vote as the people voted. Additionally, some states will fine the electors if they don't
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html
According to the link, apparently only 26 states have laws on the books binding the electors.
The following link addresses the balance:
https://tropicsofmeta.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/how-do-different-states-allocate-their-electoral-votes/
All that said, the electors are selected by the Party that takes the popular vote in that state excepting Nebraska and Maine which use a more Constitutionally based process of proportional representation. In these two states, the winner of the popular vote in the state takes what amounts to the two senate seats. The balance are assigned based upon the popular vote in each Congressional district.
IMO, the Maine and Nebraska model, with Electors bound by district with the two 'super electors' going with the state-wide popular vote better represents what the founders had in mind and as emphasized in the 12th Amendment. It is instructive to not how the two major parties have usurped this process, and the states of Maine and Nebraska are to be commended for retaining Constitutional proportionality as the rest of the country succumbed to petty party politics in the early 20th century.
Brad Steele
brazilla the troll, everyone knows it , well maybe not [:(]
marc the troll , who would have thunk it ?
brazilla the troll, everyone knows it , well maybe not [:(]
That would be Marc 1301c...[:D]
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by mogley98
I think it has to go as the people in the states voted it.
Of course if they stole the election I doubt working folks would have time to do a lot of protesting.
I read that many states have laws that say the elector has to vote as the people voted. Additionally, some states will fine the electors if they don't
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html
According to the link, apparently only 26 states have laws on the books binding the electors.
The following link addresses the balance:
https://tropicsofmeta.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/how-do-different-states-allocate-their-electoral-votes/
All that said, the electors are selected by the Party that takes the popular vote in that state excepting Nebraska and Maine which use a more Constitutionally based process of proportional representation. In these two states, the winner of the popular vote in the state takes what amounts to the two senate seats. The balance are assigned based upon the popular vote in each Congressional district.
IMO, the Maine and Nebraska model, with Electors bound by district with the two 'super electors' going with the state-wide popular vote better represents what the founders had in mind and as emphasized in the 12th Amendment. It is instructive to not how the two major parties have usurped this process, and the states of Maine and Nebraska are to be commended for retaining Constitutional proportionality as the rest of the country succumbed to petty party politics in the early 20th century.
Let me get this straight, the electors have not been selected prior to the election? And the the DNC or RNC chooses them depending on who won popular vote in that state? But the electors do not have to be residents of the state, but cannot be from the state in which the candidate is from?
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
marc the troll , who would have thunk it ?
brazilla the troll, everyone knows it , well maybe not [:(]
That would be Marc 1301c...[:D]
Guess you better teach me to make that copyright sign.[:)]
Oh well,...it is what it is. I am just going to learn to totally ignore a certain person. There are several others I ignore, shouldn't be hard to add one more.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain