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Could you sit by and let this happen?

dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
edited September 2001 in General Discussion
In this day of terrorism could you just sit by and allow your plane to be hi-jacked? I could not. I am not a big man and have always considered myself quite reserved but if faced with a situation like this I would not be willing to put my life in a terrorist hands without a fight.
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  • biggregbiggreg Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Tough to say what happened in the air, did the passengers know what was about to happen, I doubt it. I agree with you, if a person knew what they had planned why go without a fight, but the human spirit will grasp a straws if there is the possibility of life. And some are just plain spineless hoping someone else will protect them. Maybe they had been told they were hostages for the release of some obsure person, but we will never know. Some news agency have been reporting that Bin Laden's people had access to flight training of commercial aircraft, so it may be possible it was not an American flying these planes. I wonder what was going on in that plane that crashed in Pennslyvania? A possible hero saying screw you?
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  • TeamblueTeamblue Member Posts: 782 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It seems logical that the plane crash near Pittsburgh will likely be the easiest one in which to find the "black boxes" due to the fact that it likely is in an area not littered with debris to the extent as the ones in New York and at the Pentagon. It will be absolutely critical to find the cockpit voice recorder from these crashes to hear what was going on. Did hijackers break into the cabins and kill the pilots? What did these people say? Did they speak with an accent? This will be key evidence in the investigations that will be going on for quite some time. If we don't get some group coming forward claiming resposibility and that claim can be verified, then those black boxes may be some of the only evidence we get to go on for a while.
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  • v35v35 Member Posts: 12,710 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I hate to think of what the target of the Pennsylvania plane might have been. It surely wasn't a field. The flight crew may be heroes.Note that all planes had a full load of fuel for a transcontinental flight to maximize damage.How the hell did they get into the cockpit?
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why hasn't anyone entertained the theory that the pilots themselves were the tangos? With as well planned as this assault was, nothing can be ruled out. On a side note in regards to the Pennsylvania plane, what EXACTLY happened? Has anyone REALLY said why it crashed yet? I was listening to the news this morning, and they said that a pair of fighter jets had been dispatched to intercept the Pennsylvania plane before it could reach the Pentagon. That was the last anyone ever heard about a pair of fighter jets. Is it possible that the jets shot down the commercial flight in an effort to save more lives? Not that I would condemn such an act, but it makes things look bad the longer they drag out explaining what happened after the fighter jets took off...
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    I just heard a flight attendant,on one of the to planes that hit the trade center,was able to get into a restroom and call the airline by cell phone.She was able to give them a seat ## of a passenger involved.
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  • DiabloDiablo Member Posts: 251 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Pennsylvania plane was headed for a undisclosed military base or nuc power plant. I do not belive Camp David was the target.The PA plane was shot down by our fighters....
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  • Evil ATFEvil ATF Member Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Has that been officially announced, Diablo, or are you just thinking along the same lines as me?
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  • denniswdennisw Member Posts: 104 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Has anyone any idea of the force of 100,000pounds of jet fuel, or of 200,000# of airplane at 300 mph.
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  • Patrick OdlePatrick Odle Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Please take into consideration that the last of the second world pilots have retired.Does anyone of the age of sanity think that a knife to the throat would make a man of that caliber and patriotism crash a plane knowing that he was dead either way. bin-ladin boys were at the controls and instead of going to paradise tonight they are shoveling brimstone for the devil
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    I also heard this morning that the Pennsylvania jet had been "forced down" by military jet fighters. That was the one and only time I heard anything like that. Now they're just saying it crashed.
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  • in2b8uin2b8u Member Posts: 115 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Word around the campfire is that the airliner that crashed in PA was not shot down by the US a general from the air force stated that today on the news. However that does not rule out a "force down". The other rumor is that the pilot augered the airliner in. Either way I do not believe that camp David was the target. The world trade center, the pentagon and a cabin in the woods? I dont think so. The high school here in Elkins WV was evacuated today apparently that jet was circling the airport here. (20 min from DC flying time). However it almost brought me to tears to think that if one of our fighter boys from the first wing had to shoot down an airliner filled w/ American souls aboard, the same people that he had taken an oath to defend, saddened me beyond belief. As for as letting this happen if I were on board, I don't know. I do know that I have not flown commercially for the last 15 years w/o a weapon. I feel most vunerable on an aircraft. Even a drunk or wacked out person at altitude could be catastrauphic. I always carry at least a sand sap or a kevlar knife or both in my boots. Until today my wife thought I was paranoid, not any more.
    If guns cause crime, all mine are defective.
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    Kevlar knife, huh? Cool. Where does a guy find one of them?
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  • in2b8uin2b8u Member Posts: 115 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Cheaper than Dirt look for the CIA letter opener. IF you cant find one ill hook you up.
    If guns cause crime, all mine are defective.
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    in2,glad everthin`s good in West-by-God!!!See ya up there one day.
    Will the last reb to leave flarda,please bring the flag?
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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    in2b8u,Hook me up, where do I find a kevlar knife?
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  • Josey1Josey1 Member Posts: 9,598 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree with Dakota her,on a plane with 79 people you must figure there are at least 30 men and of that 30 men there must be at least 10-15 healthy males.Why would they sit there and allow these towelheads to kill stewardesses in order to draw the pilot out?I would rather die fighting then allow some POS terrorist decide my ultimate fate.They believe there were 3 terrorists on each plane(As of this moment),even if there were 5,10 even if it were one on one combat would you not fight for your life?I'm sure the passengers did not expect the terrorists to do what they did but they did tell the passengers to call home and tell your loved ones you are going to die.I wont speak for all however we have become soft as a nation and we need to toughen up and FIGHT BACK,Josey.
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  • mlincolnmlincoln Member Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This morning I was thinking the same thing as the rest of you guys: why didn't they fight the terrorists and try to overpower them? What was wrong with them?I honestly don't know. Maybe the terrorists grabbed a baby and held a knife to its throat. Could you charge down an aisle knowing that doing so would kill the baby and maybe there was chance you'd all get out alive after all? Could you live with that dead child on your soul? Sure, it's easy to say yes and imagine yourself like some Rambo kicking * and saving everybody, BUT. But even though we might not like to admit maybe even some of us might have frozen in such a situation. Maybe we might have been confused and terrified and unable to act. Last time I checked, NONE of us were on board those planes and so NONE of us can say what we really would have done.The point is that those people are DEAD. Their families are grieving, their children are without a mother or father or both. What kind of decent person would call them spineless or cowards or whatever? How can you do that?If you want to say that this ushers in a new age where everybody has to physically and mentally prepare themselves to fight back, then fine. Do so. But don't speak ill of the dead. Did you ever think that maybe one of their relatives or friends might read this board? Did you ever think that maybe they did try something and it didn't work? Did you ever think that they were Americans and deserve some simple respect? Shame on you.
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  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    I have no desire to be a hero or die but I would want to send a message that we are not just a nation of fat, couch potatoes cowering in our homes. That the common man is willing to stand up and defend himself when necessary despite the risk. A hi-jacking is risky to start with. Lets make it more of a risk.
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  • LowriderLowrider Member Posts: 6,587
    edited November -1
    It looks like the reason the plane crashed in Pa. is because the passengers did indeed overpower the terrorists but too late to save the plane.One of the men on the plane called his wife and said he was pretty sure they were doomed but he and two other guys were going to kick some * anyway.
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    An undisclosed military base or nuke plant? Hmm..there's a nuke plant up the Hudson River from NYC. There's also the U.S Military Academy at West Point. The possibilities are endless.
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